Missouri Public vs Private "petition to amend"

[you_dont_know_me]

LOL Outside the city limits? Hell, I know public High Schools that are in 4 different counties. Its amazing no one talks about all the private schools that aren't worth a lick in sports. Again, just let everyone recruit

Problem with that is public schools can't provide "scholarships" or can compete on a level playing field in the recruiting process, which undermines the integrity of the educational system. Maybe would should just pay kids to play high school too while we are at it

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Problem with that is public schools can't provide "scholarships" ...

Quit it with the valid arguments. Doesn't sit well around here, sir.

 

[justwonderingNkc]

Doesn't the Springfield and Wildwood school districts have open enrollment? Is this just as good as recruiting? Just let everyone recruit or pick and choose where they go as long as the parents pay the taxes for the school they are attending and then once they live in. We can all be private then!

 

[Majost]

Problem with that is public schools can't provide "scholarships" or can compete on a level playing field in the recruiting process, which undermines the integrity of the educational system. Maybe would should just pay kids to play high school too while we are at it

And private schools can't afford to do bus service either. If there is no rules on recruiting, and all schools can do it, then nothing is stopping your high school boosters to giving out whatever they want to get a kid to your school, i mean it that is what you really think is going on. Most schools rely on donations, volunteerism, and fundraising to help fund their school, so IF you think they are giving scholarship for athletic purposes, that money is coming from somewhere, which now public schools could do also. And many private schools require you to volunteer throughout various things or you can buy out of it. Public schools do that?

 

[Majost]

Doesn't the Springfield and Wildwood school districts have open enrollment? Is this just as good as recruiting? Just let everyone recruit or pick and choose where they go as long as the parents pay the taxes for the school they are attending and then once they live in. We can all be private then!

Exactly. Kids who go private schools pay tuition PLUS their school tax.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

And private schools can't afford to do bus service either. If there is no rules on recruiting, and all schools can do it, then nothing is stopping your high school boosters to giving out whatever they want to get a kid to your school, i mean it that is what you really think is going on. Most schools rely on donations, volunteerism, and fundraising to help fund their school, so IF you think they are giving scholarship for athletic purposes, that money is coming from somewhere, which now public schools could do also. And many private schools require you to volunteer throughout various things or you can buy out of it. Public schools do that?

This is so bogus. Oh those poor private schools and their bus woes, lol. Yes, let's recruit boosters and give kids money to come to a school. Yep, maybe Pitino could coach at the high school level.

 

[Majost]

This is so bogus. Oh those poor private schools and their bus woes, lol. Yes, let's recruit boosters and give kids money to come to a school. Yep, maybe Pitino could coach at the high school level.

Is that what they are accusing private schools of. They assume privates have all this money to give athletes for "scholarships, and still be able to fund the school with declining enrollement. Well where do you think that money comes from. Taxpayers? Yeah right. So they only way in this case to be able to not break a rule, publuc or private, is to nit have the rule Let it open to all. You can still have the have to wait 365 day rule before your eligible though.

All we hear is how the privates have this unfair advantage because they can recruit and draw from a bigger area. Well you should be happy if your school is given that same advantage then right? Especially if sports is the utmost importance here. Or is there another teue reason behind all this?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Is that what they are accusing private schools of. They assume privates have all this money to give athletes for "scholarships, and still be able to fund the school with declining enrollement. Well where do you think that money comes from. Taxpayers? Yeah right. So they only way in this case to be able to not break a rule, publuc or private, is to nit have the rule Let it open to all. You can still have the have to wait 365 day rule before your eligible though.

All we hear is how the privates have this unfair advantage because they can recruit and draw from a bigger area. Well you should be happy if your school is given that same advantage then right? Especially if sports is the utmost importance here. Or is there another teue reason behind all this?

By nature, a private school has different rules, therefore it isn't the same playing field. I don't think making public schools into private schools is the answer. Since they play by different rules, give them a separate championship to pursue, at least I think THAT is the idea.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

It's like we want to reduce to the least common denominator, instead of keep a standard and stick to it...see: discipline protocol, no child left behind, etc.

 

[Majost]

By nature, a private school has different rules, therefore it isn't the same playing field. I don't think making public schools into private schools is the answer. Since they play by different rules, give them a separate championship to pursue, at least I think THAT is the idea.

Listen. There has been more reporting of the recruiting in the St. Louis area with public schools it seems like than privates. So what are these "set of rules" that you say are so different, because evidently there are some things going on in the public school system that you are only saying happens in the private schools. So you think just applying a change to rid the private schools is going to stop these kids from changing schools in the public school system? Or is it that your ok if it happens in the public schools, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth when it happens in the private. The only set of rules you are saying for the private schools that is different is that, 1: they can actively recruit. (which doesn't only happen in private schools) And 2: they can draw from a larger area.

Well damn, here we are finding a idea to give you the same set of rules, you say occurs, and your still being reluctant. Seriously, it is being pretty obvious there is more disdain here than what you are leading on.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Listen. There has been more reporting of the recruiting in the St. Louis area with public schools it seems like than privates. So what are these "set of rules" that you say are so different, because evidently there are some things going on in the public school system that you are only saying happens in the private schools. So you think just applying a change to rid the private schools is going to stop these kids from changing schools in the public school system? Or is it that your ok if it happens in the public schools, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth when it happens in the private. The only set of rules you are saying for the private schools that is different is that, 1: they can actively recruit. (which doesn't only happen in private schools) And 2: they can draw from a larger area.

Well damn, here we are finding a idea to give you the same set of rules, you say occurs, and your still being reluctant. Seriously, it is being pretty obvious there is more disdain here than what you are leading on.

Valid point on the public school transferring. I think this has to be changed somehow, or actually policed might be good.

In my corner of the state, and the school size I follow, this is actually of little consequence. In fact, may be worse for smaller schools to break it up differently. But, please tell me how Chaminade is so good every year? It must be their awesome player development

I think opening things up for public schools opens up a pandoras box.

 

[Majost]

In my corner of the state, and the school size I follow, this is actually of little consequence. In fact, may be worse for smaller schools to break it up differently. But, please tell me how Chaminade is so good every year? It must be their awesome player development

Uhhhh, maybe great athletes want to play for great programs, while getting an education that feel fits them. But since you asked that question why don't you answer my question.

How come:
Webb City is always so good in Football.
Lamar is always so good in Football
Lafayette is always so good in Volleyball
Webster Groves seems to always be very good in Basketball
Vashon seems to be always very good in basketball

You want me to continue? But go ahead and answer those questions and then we can proceed.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Vashon gets "move ins" all the time. Lamar and Webb (and other football schools) have youth programs and middle schools that support those programs...they have earned that success! (not saying they don't get move-ins...just regulate it better!)

Chaminade just recruits the D-1 prospects and helps them get on campus with scholarships. Pretty simple. Am I wrong?

Hogan Prep has been making deep runs in C3 basketball (i know, "charter" school. okayyyyy)

Trinity and Lutheran in Class 2 football is also the same pervasive problem.

I gave you some credit on your argument, but I see I'm not going to get the same courtesy.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Do you send your kids to private school? Is there a reason you are so passionate about this? Surely it wouldn't diminish your state titles that much? What's your angle on this?

 

[Majost]

Vashon gets "move ins" all the time. Lamar and Webb (and other football schools) have youth programs and middle schools that support those programs...they have earned that success!

Chaminade just recruits the D-1 prospects and helps them get on campus with scholarships. Pretty simple. Am I wrong?

Hogan Prep has been making deep runs in C3 basketball (i know, "charter" school. okayyyyy)

Trinity and Lutheran in Class 2 football is also the same pervasive problem.

I gave you some credit on your argument, but I see I'm not going to get the same courtesy.

So your saying though, that the public schools are allowed to have a development program and they earned that success. Would you say then, that the public schools have a unfair advantage over the private schools in that manner? Is that part of the "different set of rules" that you talk about, at that your only thinking of the best interest of the private schools when you talk about those different set of rules?

Because we all know that private schools don't earn their success right? They didn't earn making their program into one that kids would want to go to. Because there is no way a parent and child could ever make that decision on their own to go to a certain school. Guess Chaminade really needs to hire a better recruiting team for their football team.

 

[panther72]

This topic has gotten off topic, an unusual occurance on Mosports. The original post just stated the petition. That is a done deal. If enough signatures by early December, then it goes on the ballot. The real questions are does it solves the perceived problems, does it make it worse or does it do nothing at all because that is what will drive the vote.

 

[Majost]

Do you send your kids to private school? Is there a reason you are so passionate about this? Surely it wouldn't diminish your state titles that much? What's your angle on this?

Im actually a graduate of a public school system, and was very fortunate to go on to play college, and a very very short stint in pro ball in baseball. And you know what. I loved playing better teams, public or private. I loved playing against the best players. I loved the challenge of playing against a team we weren't suppose to beat, or a pitcher who was suppose to dominate me. Not ONE time during all my time of playing or till even now, did I ever use an excuse that "things aren't fair." Thats only for the weak minded. But of course the kids have heard that from their parents from such a young age, and what a great attribute to instill into our kids. Not.

I have given you a solution to your argument. An argument that you says evidently only happens in private schools but we know for a fact it happens in public schools also. So since you haven't introduced one solution on how to stop it in the public school system, it shows how your a bit biased here in your intention. And also you don't think about all the private schools that aren't good in sports, and their are more of those then the other way around, so maybe those "certain set of rules" you say happens, works against more schools than works in favor. Your only argument is for maybe a certain sport in a certain school, because evidently Chaminades doesn't recruit very good in one sport vs the other.

And just because you are a fellow public school graduate, and Im not going to just sit and agree with you on this. Great athletes want to play for great programs and compete against other great athletes, I would have loved to play for a great baseball program high school, but ours sucked, but that didn't stop me in any shape or form on becoming the best athlete I could be. And if that is so important for any public school parent, pack up your 8th grade year and go to a public school that you feel meets your criteria, nothing stops a family from doing that. And I assure you, packing up and moving would still be less than what you would pay in the 4 years at a private school.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

So your saying though, that the public schools are allowed to have a development program and they earned that success. Would you say then, that the public schools have a unfair advantage over the private schools in that manner? Is that part of the "different set of rules" that you talk about, at that your only thinking of the best interest of the private schools when you talk about those different set of rules?

Because we all know that private schools don't earn their success right? They didn't earn making their program into one that kids would want to go to. Because there is no way a parent and child could ever make that decision on their own to go to a certain school. Guess Chaminade really needs to hire a better recruiting team for their football team.

Wanna go to a private? Fine. But if you want to make it fair, and most privates don't, then make them all pay tuition (no athletic or any other "scholarships") and attend a private in their district. If they attend a private out of their district, make them sit 365. The notion that a private can pull kids from ANYWHERE, regardless of address, not charge them (scholarship), and think that's not an advantage is insane and irrational.

Absolutely punish and police the publics too. Two wrongs don't make a right. The publics that are doing this deserve the same plight as the privates.

Privates should, and do, build feeder programs just like the publics. Many, many privates do it the right way. Same goes for publics. But the playing field isn't level. Either level it, or split it. Pretty simple concept.

 

[Majost]

Wanna go to a private? Fine. But if you want to make it fair, and most privates don't, then make them all pay tuition (no athletic or any other "scholarships") and attend a private in their district. If they attend a private out of their district, make them sit 365. The notion that a private can pull kids from ANYWHERE, regardless of address, not charge them (scholarship), and think that's not an advantage is insane and irrational.

Absolutely punish and police the publics too. Two wrongs don't make a right. The publics that are doing this deserve the same plight as the privates.

Privates should, and do, build feeder programs just like the publics. Many, many privates do it the right way. Same goes for publics. But the playing field isn't level. Either level it, or split it. Pretty simple concept.

And what if your district doesn't have a private school, and your right, level it. LIke I said, whatever you think is allowed in private schools or what goes on there that is so unfair, allow it for public schools. Amazing people actually think all the athletes that go to private schools that are any good at all, get scholarships.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Wanna go to a private? Fine. But if you want to make it fair, and most privates don't, then make them all pay tuition (no athletic or any other "scholarships") and attend a private in their district. If they attend a private out of their district, make them sit 365. The notion that a private can pull kids from ANYWHERE, regardless of address, not charge them (scholarship), and think that's not an advantage is insane and irrational.

Absolutely punish and police the publics too. Two wrongs don't make a right. The publics that are doing this deserve the same plight as the privates.

Privates should, and do, build feeder programs just like the publics. Many, many privates do it the right way. Same goes for publics. But the playing field isn't level. Either level it, or split it. Pretty simple concept.

Totally agree with what you are saying here.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Not ONE time during all my time of playing or till even now, did I ever use an excuse that "things aren't fair."

Having a completely unfair playing field isn't an excuse, that's a reason.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Having a completely unfair playing field isn't an excuse, that's a reason.

it also doesn't mean they can't play each other, it just means they are competing for a different title.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

And what if your district doesn't have a private school, and your right, level it. LIke I said, whatever you think is allowed in private schools or what goes on there that is so unfair, allow it for public schools. Amazing people actually think all the athletes that go to private schools that are any good at all, get scholarships.

Having a lawless society isn't the answer. And that's coming from a tried and true libertarian.

 

[Majost]

Having a completely unfair playing field isn't an excuse, that's a reason.

How is allowing all schools to have the same rules, unfair? So we should rid ourselves of the "development programs" that were talked about right? Because its all about fairness.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

And what if your district doesn't have a private school...

Sit 365 from varsity competition. If you go as a frosh, probably doesn't affect anything.

That's the beauty of free and public education. Decisions, decisions. When you don't take the free money (privates), you don't have to follow the rules. It's like the guy that wants to be married and have his side piece too, but the wife isn't on board with it. It's funny how the privates want their own set of rules for some things, but not for other.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

How is allowing all schools to have the same rules, unfair? So we should rid ourselves of the "development programs" that were talked about right? Because its all about fairness.

lowest common denominator= girls in boy scouts too... makes no sense. All of a sudden high school becomes the ncaa, etc. Just ruins the innocence of high school sports.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

How is allowing all schools to have the same rules, unfair?

They don't, genius. Even under your system, they wouldn't have the same rules. Think outside of athletics for a second.

 

[Majost]

Pretty obvious this isn't about fairness, and its more about something else. Changing a rule to something you just don't agree with, doesn't make it lawless, oh wait, probably does in your eyes. So your saying in the past when none of these new multiplier rules were in affect and schools or sitting out rules, ect, we were living in the "lawless" days. lol

 

[Majost]

Ill post this again. We sure aren't in the lawless days, it seems to me we live more in the "crying days." Im going to go out take a guess, but are you one of the Sullivan Eagles?

Im actually a graduate of a public school system, and was very fortunate to go on to play college, and a very very short stint in pro ball in baseball. And you know what. I loved playing better teams, public or private. I loved playing against the best players. I loved the challenge of playing against a team we weren't suppose to beat, or a pitcher who was suppose to dominate me. Not ONE time during all my time of playing or till even now, did I ever use an excuse that "things aren't fair." Thats only for the weak minded. But of course the kids have heard that from their parents from such a young age, and what a great attribute to instill into our kids. Not.

I have given you a solution to your argument. An argument that you says evidently only happens in private schools but we know for a fact it happens in public schools also. So since you haven't introduced one solution on how to stop it in the public school system, it shows how your a bit biased here in your intention. And also you don't think about all the private schools that aren't good in sports, and their are more of those then the other way around, so maybe those "certain set of rules" you say happens, works against more schools than works in favor. Your only argument is for maybe a certain sport in a certain school, because evidently Chaminades doesn't recruit very good in one sport vs the other.

And just because you are a fellow public school graduate, and Im not going to just sit and agree with you on this. Great athletes want to play for great programs and compete against other great athletes, I would have loved to play for a great baseball program high school, but ours sucked, but that didn't stop me in any shape or form on becoming the best athlete I could be. And if that is so important for any public school parent, pack up your 8th grade year and go to a public school that you feel meets your criteria, nothing stops a family from doing that. And I assure you, packing up and moving would still be less than what you would pay in the 4 years at a private

 

[Eagles_Ball]

How is allowing all schools to have the same rules, unfair? So we should rid ourselves of the "development programs" that were talked about right? Because its all about fairness.

Jesus H man. You can't be this clueless. Because privates don't take fed and/or state money, they don't follow the same rules (curriculum/days/et al) that public schools do. There isn't a way for both to have the same rules, unless the privates want to start taking money and following the rules (which, by definition, means they aren't private). Mind you, I have no issue with private schools at all. Just have a problem with the notion they're on the level (some advantages, some disadvantages) with the public schools.

And the notion public schools could survive without the fed/state tax dollars is low level thinking. The basic premise for funding free and public elementary and secondary education isn't the most difficult to understand.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

We sure aren't in the lawless days, it seems to me we live more in the "crying days." Im going to go out take a guess, but are you one of the Sullivan Eagles?

Your assumption is incorrect. I teach and coach at Camdenton. Have been here for 10 yrs. We literally aren't affected at all by this issue. It's just simple understanding of what's right and fair.

See, that's the crazy concept here. I actually respect the premise and concept of private education. If the values of private education are that important to someone, then they have the ability to make the decision to go to a private or home school.

 

[Majost]

Your assumption is incorrect. I teach and coach at Camdenton. Have been here for 10 yrs. We literally aren't affected at all by this issue. It's just simple understanding of what's right and fair.

See, that's the crazy concept here. I actually respect the premise and concept of private education. If the values of private education are that important to someone, then they have the ability to make the decision to go to a private or home school.

We aren't talking about education we are talking about MSHSAA, who has no affiliation with the public school system. Well they have some affiliation, just like they do with private schools, but its amazing how many people think MSHSAA is under the guidance of the public school system. And as much as i respect your job of teaching, I will say this, stressing to our students that everything is always going to be fair, is one of your biggest mistakes. Is it fair then, that one school district has a great feeder program? Is it fair that they get the volunteers and commitment that others don't? Is it fair that one school district is more well to do than another? Seriously, you are going to start trying to regulate fairness, you are in for a unwinnable battle.

 

[justwonderingNkc]

I know a family that lives in a certain open enrollment school district that has 2 kids going to 2 different high schools. 1 plays volleyball for the best volleyball program in the district and then 1 that plays basketball at the other better bball program. How is this different than me sending my kid to a private? They got to pick and choose which school to attend because of open enrollment. I also know a kid who lives with grandma during the week and home with parents on the weekend. Why? She wants to be on a volleyball team that's 26-5 over the 8-20 team she would of been on.

Can't have the cake and eat it too. You have to make the rules to govern ALL not just some. I think Kirkwood girls got a great move in this year.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

We aren't talking about education we are talking about MSHSAA, who has no affiliation with the public school system. Well they have some affiliation, just like they do with private schools, but its amazing how many people think MSHSAA is under the guidance of the public school system. And as much as i respect your job of teaching, I will say this, stressing to our students that everything is always going to be fair, is one of your biggest mistakes. I don't stress that. But if we're competing for championships in something, then yes, fairness is needed.
Is it fair then, that one school district has a great feeder program? Yes, that's generally due to hard work. A staple of my beliefs.
Is it fair that they get the volunteers and commitment that others don't? See the answer above.
Is it fair that one school district is more well to do than another? Yes, because the residents and businesses in that area are the very reason behind their fiduciary standing.
Seriously, you are going to start trying to regulate fairness, you are in for a unwinnable battle. Not at all, but if we're competing for championships, then yes.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I know a family that lives in a certain open enrollment school district that has 2 kids going to 2 different high schools. 1 plays volleyball for the best volleyball program in the district and then 1 that plays basketball at the other better bball program. How is this different than me sending my kid to a private? They at least actually live in the district. But if you're asking me my opinion, I completely disagree with public open enrollment as well. It just gets sticky in the multiple HS districts.

They got to pick and choose which school to attend because of open enrollment. I also know a kid who lives with grandma during the week and home with parents on the weekend. Why? She wants to be on a volleyball team that's 26-5 over the 8-20 team she would of been on. I don't think anyone on here has ever said that's right.

Can't have the cake and eat it too. I literally just said a few posts above, you need to police them all. Most do it the right way, public and private. The ones that don't should be policed and punished.

You have to make the rules to govern ALL not just some. I think Kirkwood girls got a great move in this year.

 

[wahoolives]

Equity and fairness is not about the outcome being identical it is about the equality of opportunity. Every kid at a school is not on the academic team or on the football team or on the basketball team but every kid that is interested should be given the opportunity to try out. The difference between public and private schools creates an unfair advantage of opportunity for the private schools because they can choose who they enroll, if they have kids with discipline issues they can get rid of them and they have kids with parents or someone in their lives who are involved enough to get them to school and to pay tuition. A private school has an inherent advantage over public schools the same size because of the type of kids in their school (normally from middle class and up and because of the parental involvement), which is simply not the case in public schools. The issue of recruiting and people moving schools is another problem and that happens at some private schools and some public schools, and there is no good solution that doesn't hurt kids who move for legitimate reasons.

 

[Majost]

I actually want to thank you many of you public school people for speaking out because you have just made up my mind, that I will definitely make sure I will always keep my kids in a private school. Hell Im sure people don't think its fair that they have to pay into a public school system tax wise that they don't even go to. If the public school system is going to continue to teach to our kids that, everything should be fair in this world, and if it isn't fair, it our job as adults to move the goal post to make it fair, than I don't want any child of mind part of that. Because when they get in the real world no business is going to move their business decisions around you. People aren't going to continue to move things around you just because you don't think its fair. . They are going to have a hard time adjusting to adversity, they already do.

Im done with this topic, and mark me as one of the public school graduates who will write in against this petition, and to let those AD's and MSHSAA know that there are many people like us against this. I am for now hoping they do get split, and they do start a new organization and invite whatever school who would like to join to join, public and private. Im sure school like Webb City in football, and Vashon and Webster Groves in basketball should would love knowing they have a asterisk behind their state championship name.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I actually want to thank you many of you public school people for speaking out because you have just made up my mind, that I will definitely make sure I will always keep my kids in a private school. Hell Im sure people don't think its fair that they have to pay into a public school system tax wise that they don't even go to. If the public school system is going to continue to teach to our kids that, everything should be fair in this world, and if it isn't fair, it our job as adults to move the goal post to make it fair, than I don't want any child of mind part of that. Because when they get in the real world no business is going to move their business decisions around you. People aren't going to continue to move things around you just because you don't think its fair. . They are going to have a hard time adjusting to adversity, they already do.

Im done with this topic, and mark me as one of the public school graduates who will write in against this petition, and to let those AD's and MSHSAA know that there are many people like us against this. I am for now hoping they do get split, and they do start a new organization and invite whatever school who would like to join to join, public and private. Im sure school like Webb City in football, and Vashon and Webster Groves in basketball should would love knowing they have a asterisk behind their state championship name.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I actually want to thank you many of you public school people for speaking out because you have just made up my mind, that I will definitely make sure I will always keep my kids in a private school. Hell Im sure people don't think its fair that they have to pay into a public school system tax wise that they don't even go to. If the public school system is going to continue to teach to our kids that, everything should be fair in this world, and if it isn't fair, it our job as adults to move the goal post to make it fair, than I don't want any child of mind part of that. Because when they get in the real world no business is going to move their business decisions around you. People aren't going to continue to move things around you just because you don't think its fair. . They are going to have a hard time adjusting to adversity, they already do.

Im done with this topic, and mark me as one of the public school graduates who will write in against this petition, and to let those AD's and MSHSAA know that there are many people like us against this. I am for now hoping they do get split, and they do start a new organization and invite whatever school who would like to join to join, public and private. Im sure school like Webb City in football, and Vashon and Webster Groves in basketball should would love knowing they have a asterisk behind their state championship name.

You make a lot of broad assumptions there and insult people that coach and teach for a living. I wonder if your approach would be different if your students were in public schools?

Would we not agree that the high school athletic realm is a little different than it was when you were in school?

Why did you choose to send your kids to private if you don't mind sharing, as it that you wanted to give your kids an advantage in their lives (what parent doesn't want that?)?-seriously, please share.

to your points about "moving the goal posts and telling people to be worried about fair"...bologna.

Comparing public to private, which is better at teaching you:
-To deal with adversity
-To deal with people that are hard to get along with or don't fit your ideology
- To deal with people in different income brackets

hmm?

 

[Majost]

You make a lot of broad assumptions there and insult people that coach and teach for a living. I wonder if your approach would be different if your students were in public schools? Why did you choose to send your kids to private if you don't mind sharing, as it that you wanted to give your kids an advantage in their lives (what parent doesn't want that?)?-seriously, please share.

to your points about "moving the goal posts and telling people to be worried about fair"...bologna.

Comparing public to private, which is better at teaching you:
-To deal with adversity
-To deal with people that are hard to get along with or don't fit your ideology
- To deal with people in different income brackets

hmm?

Comparing public to private, which is better at teaching you:
-To deal with adversity
-To deal with people that are hard to get along with or don't fit your ideology
- To deal with people in different income brackets

Ok really. Im done. This has got to be the most stupidest statement of this topic so far. I know what I am dealing with now. Like I said. Ill be writing in against it, and thanks for helping me prove the mentality of the people behind this whole issue. Good luck on getting it on the ballot. Ill put my money on that it doesn't pass.