How am I wrong. I’m not the first or only person that has pointed out the racist undertones. Even calling me Kanye Mike is racist.
I’m not wrong, it’s why you immediately attempted to spin it back on me. So predictable
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I’m not wrong, it’s why you immediately attempted to spin it back on me. So predictable
You are wrong by bringing up race to begin with. The subject didn't need it and it's not germane to the conversation.
In the case of the STL privates in Class 2-4 area, that is almost always the case. CBC is obviously well coached, but the talent they have had the last decade doesn't hurt, but I won't argue that Pingel isn't a great coach. I have a lot of respect for him. Also, glad to see Coach Markway at St. Dom have success, he used to be at Warsaw so I always like seeing former Tri-County guys succeeding. But, you can't honestly sit here and tell me that when Blair Oaks beat Cardinal Ritter in 2020 that they didn't outcoach them. Or LN in 2018 and 2020. Or Lamar beating Trinity Catholic in 16 or LN in 17. I honestly don't remember the last time BO had 1 FBS recruited kid and some of those teams they played had 5-8. I'm not sure what else it would be other than coaching and outworking them. I watched Southern Boone take Trinity down to the wire in 2018 and they were completely outmatched. But again, Trinity was not discipline and they were outcoached severely, but when you have two 3 star RBs and 3 OL going FBS and probably 3-4 defensive guys going FBS, you can make some stuff up because of the talent. You say you're a former coach, but can't recognize the difference in talent and coaching, something doesn't make sense.
I’m not going to argue BO isn’t well coached. The are extremely well coached and prepared. Lapage is the best in the state in my opinion and I’d put Conyers (sp?) right behind him.
I’ll also agree Trinity was pure talent. If any school blatantly recruited it was them. Unlike St. Mary’s, that school was shut down for reasons other than money issues. Cardinal Ritter was almost shut down as well for playing ineligible players. Instead they cleaned house.
I haven’t seen CR play but I have seen St. Mary’s and CBC. The are well coached and proved they are capable of adjustments. The difference was 1 or 2 guys and halftime adjustments in the second half.
The CBC LSN north game was simply will and a little luck. I believe LSN had a few D1 guys themselves.
LN was well coached but Reed is stubborn and tried to stick with the wing t and long as he could. He has even joked about moving to the lake and coaching at a small school where no one will question with running that offense. I don’t know anything about the new staff.
I’d take a team full of D2/D3 guys over a team with few D1 ones any day. Teams like Webb and BO have taught us that over the years.
Interesting biased take. I'd say rural schools complain because they don't have the opportunity to openly recruit and rig the system to accumulate rogue mercenary teams. How you turn this into a Racial Issue is very disturbing. It seems you are suggesting that People with Less Melanin have a stronger Core of values and want the system to be fair and even and you then equate that to Racism? Which also would suggest a streak of bigot in you as you are putting forth the notion that people with more Melanin are fine with bending and perverting the rules so they can obtain a unfair advantage.
I can assure you my GF has a much Stronger Moral code than most, I do take a slight offense to you suggesting because she is Full of Melanin that she some how would be fine with having two set's of rules for people participating in the same tournament. She would not and no Person I know who has Melanin would be fine with that either.
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So 2 things.
1. Provide evidence private schools openly recruit.
2. Tell me that every student living within public schools districts live permanently within the school district boundaries.
By having open enrollment that allows anyone within a massive radius to go to those private schools. Hence an unfair competitive advantage is gained. To say other wise would be inaccurate. Whether bag men are employed is a moot point.
Per Mshsaa rules students are required to live within those boundaries, if the rules are being bent then there are proper channels and punishments that can be brought forth.
There are no punishments or leveling factors for the massive radius that private schools can draw from or the possible enticements educational or monetary that can be offered.
That is the rub with the masses.
My question is why are Private schools so adversed to playing in their own separate playoff system? Why do they fight so hard to play public schools which clearly they have a competitive advantage?
They really should be ashamed of themselves it’s embarrassing and slimy at every level. But strangely they take great pleasure in gaming the system to achieve success by playing by a completely different set of rules.
Per Mshsaa rules students are required to live within those boundaries, if the rules are being bent then there are proper channels and punishments that can be brought forth.
There are no punishments or leveling factors for the massive radius that private schools can draw from or the possible enticements educational or monetary that can be offered.
That is the rub with the masses.
My question is why are Private schools so adversed to playing in their own separate playoff system? Why do they fight so hard to play public schools which clearly they have a competitive advantage?
They really should be ashamed of themselves it’s embarrassing and slimy at every level. But strangely they take great pleasure in gaming the system to achieve success by playing by a completely different set of rules.
Yeah the same garbage was said about the old Suburban North and PHL teams. I guess you missed the post about the advantages the both public and private schools have. I also find it odd the schools and areas that are the loudest are rural, white and have build dynasties. But hey tell me how you are an expert on racism again because your gf is black.
I never claimed to be a expert on Racism...... I know she is and I know her thoughts on it and I was just relaying her idea's and beliefs.
If so many white Rural area's have Build dynasties then why would they be concerned about the unfair advantages?
If so many white Rural area's have Build dynasties then why would they be concerned about the unfair advantages?
How many private schools have won more than 1 state title in the last 5 year?
Can you provide a list of schools that want to separate private from public? Because I don’t think it’s as close to the number you think it is. If private schools don’t even make up 20% of the total # of schools it should have happened by now. Your opinion is only share by a small circle. Your just loud and ignorant which is why you think everyone shares your view.
I think in 07 around 92 schools voted to split the playoffs.... to around 300+ who didn't so I'm well aware of the last vote on this issue. I do know that after the Fact that some Rural Communities and not rural communities where in shock that their schools had voted to maintain the status quo. Even Mr. Urhahan was shocked by the vote.....
I have never stated everyone shares my views..... I have stated that there is a contingent that is for the split and that group is pretty extensive among the average joes.
Again with the personal attacks and lack of self awareness on your part. Because I have a different opinion than you I'm loud and ignorant.
You just can't address the subject without some back handed dig.... it's rather telling about you as a person.
I have never stated everyone shares my views..... I have stated that there is a contingent that is for the split and that group is pretty extensive among the average joes.
Again with the personal attacks and lack of self awareness on your part. Because I have a different opinion than you I'm loud and ignorant.
You just can't address the subject without some back handed dig.... it's rather telling about you as a person.
Man talk about kettle meet pot. Your arrogance is amazing. Your post are constantly loaded with back handed dig yet you think you’ve done something by calling me out? 🤣🤣🤣 you are absolutely hilarious big guy.
What backhanded digs to you personally have I posted. I have called out your view points as being illogical and ill informed. That has nothing to do with you on a personal level at all. Surely as a able minded person you can discern the difference between blatant personal attacks and disagreeing with a view point?
Would be interesting to see what the percentages of for or against would be now vs then. Have to imagine it has gone up quite a bit.
That is a big point, different set of rules, then why not diff set of classifications.
If private schools have such an advantage then why is there only 1 with multiple state titles in the last 5 years?
I will tell you this. I have seen a public school that allowed nearby Parochial HS go to the public middle schools and talk to 8th grade students about the opportunities in all areas they provide. The parochial HS brought there coaches in and allowed them to speak about camps and workouts they were holding. When the public HS coaches asked to be allowed to go speak at the k-8 parochial schools they were denied that opportunity by both the public school admin and the parochial school admin. That's an example I know happened and tell me how that isn't openly recruiting? There are several other instances that I am not even going to go into.
I think the biggest complaint is the difference in rules. I don't know their situations, but Ryan Boyd from CRCP was at ESL last year, and I am assuming Carson is a younger brother. FBS receiver that can move and play right away. MSHSAA does not have a black and white transfer policy that is enforced. There is too much gray area.
And whether they recruit or not, you do have to understand the advantages that privates have from not having boundaries. A few years ago Helias had a kid that went to Elementary school and MS at a small rural school 25 minutes from Jeff. Freshman year he transfers to Helias and eventually becomes a 3 year starter. Everything was legal, but you can't deny the advantage. Not to mention privates don't have to offer a special needs program.
I think we could both argue til we're blue in the face about this, but until MSHSAA enforces some consistent rules about transferring nothing will change. I like privates and public schools together, I don't want to have separate classes, but enforce the rules properly if they're broken for both privates and publics.
That is likely to change Friday and Saturday. And looking at CRCP roster, they might have a chance to repeat next year.
Not sure why any public would allow this and was it reported. I know this is an assumption but I would say someone in administration had a connection to the parochial school.
I don’t disagree as St Mary’s probably will. However IDK about CRCP. The for sure will bump to class 4. I’m hearing there is traction to putting a cap on class 1 that could bump them up to class 5.
The fact that private school supporters refuse to admit the clear advantages they have is telling.....
If your story is true and actually occurred as you state, you won't have a problem providing the school district, as well as when it occurred.
The fact that some are always looking for an excuse for their own failures is telling as well..........
Before Jefferson R-7 had a high school, Festus, Herculaneum, and Crystal city actively recruited the 8th graders from R-7. Now that was years ago but they did it out in the open. R-7 kids could chose any of three high schools so I guess it was no big deal. I do know when Herucalanuem started doing the tours for the R-7 kids, Festus was not happy because we cut into their pipeline of athletes.
What other advantages do you have other than no boundaries? Is the academy and behavioral standards. No transportation system? Let’s not forget those feeder programs strongly supported by community and typically run by the HS head coach.
Not crying about "recruiting all-stars" as much as the travesty of the Trinity team, who showed their true colors, playing a player that was ineligible by having him wear another player's jersey. I know it is a great ego trip to mastermind the best bunch of all-stars you can get and put them on some team under the façade they are a normal student at a little school that is soon to be closed, but not everyone is buying it. I know the St. Louis area public schools are atrocious, but come on.
If we want a different set of rules for these schools, then they need their own category to play in.
Failures... like Coaching a team that was the last seed in districts. Then, instead of teaching kids a valuable lesson in perseverance, you want to forfeit the game. Then, admin does the right thing and makes you play anyway, and you cry about it . Failures like that?
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Failures... like Coaching a team that was the last seed in districts. Then, instead of teaching kids a valuable lesson in perseverance, you want to forfeit the game. Then, admin does the right thing and makes you play anyway, and you cry about it . Failures like that?
Failure like playing ineligible players? Using another kids jersey? WTF is that?
All the same... Ego driven tools that want to build the best team money and recruiting can buy.
No special needs program that has to be offered. Class 2 and 3 schools probably have 60-100 kids on IEPs that will never play a sport, not saying a kid on an IEP can't play just unlikely in most cases. Take them away from their enrollment and a lot would drop a Class.
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