Yeah, B is team B or Blair Oaks for those following along. Doesn't apply since they didn't touch the pass.
Class 2 Championship: Blair Oaks 32, Lamar 27 FINAL
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So just a dumb question and I have no dog in the fight. In the pictures above the receiver clearly touches the ball at the 21 yard line whil he is in the air. I don’t think he had control of it but based upon what is posted here in the above post:
“If B touches the pass in or behind the neutral zone, this restriction is terminated.’
Wouldn’t that mean that the players can be downfield?
“If B touches the pass in or behind the neutral zone, this restriction is terminated.’
Wouldn’t that mean that the players can be downfield?
My mistake on A vs B, good catch. I still however think he caught the pass IN the neutral zone which by definition extends 2 yards beyond the defensive line per NFHS rules.
That's not how I read crosses. The LOS is the LOS. Neutral zone may expand in regards to the linemen, but I don't read that into the pass being caught. Again, PRIMARY factor is the key word in the rule here.
There is no doubt this is a very close call or we wouldn’t be having this lengthy discussion. With that said SHOULD the refs have made a game deciding call like that at that point in the game? If it was so obvious why did the flag come out after the play was over? Plenty of time to throw the flag the moment of the infraction.
yep, much closer than I thought. I thought on a screen at or behind the line, the lineman couldn't release downfield until the ball was caught. I guess I was wrong. 😬
I would point to any of the other multiple penalties called on Lamar at many key points in the game as being just as costly. If Lamar has even one of those back I think there's a different score going into this situation and we're talking about a Lamar win.
I don't believe that any call should take the game situation into account. A call should be made or not made the same whether it is the first or last play.
Ah the ignorance. I challenge you to take a little time and look at their roster over the years and find the names that are different. I’m gonna guess you’ve never been to Wardsville, and don’t know a single soul there. They did some recruiting in the big cities of Osage Bend, Taos and St. Thomas. Quit spewing ignorant BS and celebrate 2 great programs that played their tails off today. Hats off to both teams. You hate to see one of them lose.
Or you don’t false start 4 or 5 times
Didn’t know it was recruiting when Jonny moved out there in 5th grade because his parents were tired of him getting chairs and books thrown in the classrooms at JCPS. If you’re from mid mo you know why parents are trying to move their kids out of JCPS. Again, look at the roster and tell me what starters or even players are different.
Don’t get me wrong BO is a great school district. If I lived in it I’d have no problem.
But let’s not live pretend land though. Kids coming up through the youth program didn’t just live within the schools district. Linn, Russellville and other surrounding districts have had kids playing in the program for a long time. Jeff City just this year started offering tackle football in 5th grade.
Now I think it’s great they had the opportunity to play. But if they were any good, where do you think they ended up?
Look as I said it’s not the coaches going at and recruiting and when you win, everyone wants to be there. It like said, let’s not sit hear and pretend every public school is so clean.
But let’s not live pretend land though. Kids coming up through the youth program didn’t just live within the schools district. Linn, Russellville and other surrounding districts have had kids playing in the program for a long time. Jeff City just this year started offering tackle football in 5th grade.
Now I think it’s great they had the opportunity to play. But if they were any good, where do you think they ended up?
Look as I said it’s not the coaches going at and recruiting and when you win, everyone wants to be there. It like said, let’s not sit hear and pretend every public school is so clean.
Exactly....those names are generational in that Wardsville/ Taos/ Jeff City area
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Could the outcome had been different? Of course. I don’t care to hear an absurd comment about how lopsided the penalties are. STOP JUMPING OFFSIDES and you won’t have a lopsided penalty discussion. Sickened to read the Lamar coach saying that to the press in the paper already. Own up to mistakes.Blair oaks had a lot of dropped passes also that could have been major field possession changes that could have blew this game open too. Mistakes happen. Penalties are there for a reason. If they don’t get called the other team feels cheated on illegal playing. Even as a bias Blair oaks fan, I hate the outcome revolves around such key plays. BUT, would rather it happen that way vs being cheated on blatant no calls. If you make the mistake you pay for it.
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Side refs should have to flip sidelines at the half.
Who knew that linemen had that much responsibility? I thought they just ate a lot and jogged during wind sprints.
Again you’re wrong. Do you have kids or know kids that have done this? Blair Oaks kids used to play in the PAL league with Helias kids. BO only offered football for 7th and 8th grade until around 2008 or so when Coach Drehle started the Junior Falcons program. The majority of kids that you are speaking of from Linn, Russellville, Eugene, etc would play for the PAL league where most kids go to Helias. I coached the current sophomore class at BO in junior Falcons When they were 6th graders. There is 1 name on the roster that I’m not familiar with. Every other name played for BO. As for the Junior and Senior class there are 4 different. 1 is the current principals son when he got the job last year and moved. 1 is a coaches son who moved last year and had coached with Coach LePage when he was at JC years ago. And the other 2 are military transfers, 1 tore his ACL and the other didn’t start.
You are correct that people from other districts do move to BO sometimes because they want their kids to play football, it isn’t offered at some small local communities. But don’t act like they recruit them and they’re doing what privates do. Parents move their kids there to give them an opportunity to play a sport that wouldn’t be offered at their school or they send them to Helias. I have had co workers that do this. Live in Eugene and go to Helias so they can play football. There’s nothing illegal about that either.
There is a huge difference between kids moving in in 3rd grade and growing up in elementary school than a kid moving in from ESL his senior year and is a 3 star prospect or a kid moving back from IMG academy.
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Thanks for the clarification on A and B. That makes sense. It was such a close call and great game. I saw the entire play on Twitter. LOS was the 20. He had control of the ball and feet down at the 19. First touched the ball at the 21.
Gutsy performance by both teams. It was worth our 3 1/2 hour drive up to watch for sure. Congratulations to Blair Oaks. My high school played them in 19 and they were some of the best hosts that I have seen. Very respectful and classy. That was 2 of the best football programs in the state going toe toe and it lived up to the hype. It was unfortunate that someone had to lose that game to be honest.
Gutsy performance by both teams. It was worth our 3 1/2 hour drive up to watch for sure. Congratulations to Blair Oaks. My high school played them in 19 and they were some of the best hosts that I have seen. Very respectful and classy. That was 2 of the best football programs in the state going toe toe and it lived up to the hype. It was unfortunate that someone had to lose that game to be honest.
It wasn't the off sides calls that cost a team the game. It was the phantom holding and the face mask penalty that should have been a 15 yard version and an automatic first down, calls. And to say that BO had a lot of dropped passes that could have changed the game is not the same thing as refs changing the game. Lamar had a couple drops also. That is their fault. You don't want to hear a comment about how lopsided the penalties were because your team didn't lose because of them.
They have done that all year because they score on most possessions and put trans behind from the start.
Just because the penalties were lopsided doesn't mean they weren't earned. Lamar was undisciplined, surprisingly so. Cost them this game.
On film it looked like he was about a yard past the line when he caught it. But damn it was close and I would hate to have made that call either way as an official.
Watching the webcast it felt like Lamar dominated the game. BO had more big plays. Lamar got hosed by the last 2 penalties (5 yard facemask and lineman downfield). But great game by both teams.
They were 6 yards down the field. Question is where RB caught the ball. That was very close to LOS
The facemask at the end wouldn’t have been an automatic first down, only half the distance I believe
But if ball is caught BEHIND the los they can be downfield. Most teams run a version of that screen, nd release linemen. I'm not arguing its affect on game, I'm saying the play looks legal from the clips I have looked at on here.
There's a picture on page 6 I believe that shows him touching it at the LOS. He didn't complete the catch until the 19 yard line as noted by other posters. I've shown in posts at the end of page 7 and this page the call was close, but correct.
How many yards is a face mask penalty in high school football?
Penalty: For twisting, turning, pushing, pulling, or controlling the mask: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is flagrant. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down.
Correct but I like the odds for Lamar with the 15 yards instead of the 5.
Only automatic 1st downs are roughings. 15 yard facemask is only 15 yards. So if it’s 4th and 17 it would then be 4th and 2. With where they were on the field I think it would’ve only been half the distance. I would need to ask an official for sure but almost positive
People tend to apply their understanding of college/pro rules to HSFB. It's a wildly different game, and actually far less liberal on many calls.
I read the rule a little different but I’m not an expert. The pass has to cross the neutral zone not the los for the players to be ineligible. My question is would the 19 be considered the neutral zone? He touched before the los by about a yard and completed the catch about the 19. Is the neutral zone 21-19 on this play.
I’m genuinely curious about the rule not arguing the outcome.
Here is the rule from nfhs
ART. 12 ... Ineligible A players may not advance beyond the expanded neutral zone on a legal forward pass play before a legal forward pass that crosses the neutral zone is in flight. If B touches the pass in or behind the neutral zone, this restriction is terminated.
Yeah I read in your posts that neutral zone only is for the ineligible players and the receiver is LOS, but nowhere in the rule does it mention the line of scrimmage says the pass has to cross the neutral zone for the players to be ineligible. That’s my confusion.
