Class 1 Early Top 10

[GoRed16]

If you realized just how good their coaching staff is, in addition to community support, and being able to artificially inflate their numbers by offering football as a PE credit, not to mention, winning recruits for itself.

If you live in Ste Genevieve and your kid loves football and wants to win championships, where do you go?

Of course I would send him there.. If his talent were good enough, and I had the means, I might even move there. But I would still acknowledge that it gives a private school an advantage over a public school of the same size.
As for community support.. welcome to high school football. I can't name a town around here that doesn't offer their team every ounce of support they can.
So football is a PE credit there? Does this mean they get to practice all year long?, while winning recruits?

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

So football is a PE credit there? Does this mean they get to practice all year long?, while winning recruits?

I don't know that it is or it isn't. It would be a way to inflate numbers.

Of course I would send him there.. If his talent were good enough, and I had the means, I might even move there. But I would still acknowledge that it gives a private school an advantage over a public school of the same size.

Yes because McAuley Catholic is a powerhouse...

As for community support.. welcome to high school football. I can't name a town around here that doesn't offer their team every ounce of support they can.

You're not familiar with high school football on the east side of the state are you?

 

[Skinslvr26]

"Yes because McAuley Catholic is a powerhouse..."

Valle tries to be a private school who owns class 1... McAuley and I know a lot of the past players and parents do it for fun it isn't their lives !! BIG BIG difference IMO. At McAuley its Religion over sports at Valle I don't thank its the same.

In the past 3 years 60-70% of the schools in the dome have been Private schools... A coincidence !? I Doubt it Oh well life goes on.

 

[CaptainMullet]

Drexel will be undefeated after the regular season so there is your #1. Then Adrain & Midway will have 6 games between them playing 2a schools and a 4a school. So they'll get bonus points over Lockwood who plays a JV team week 3. That doesn't even account for schedule strength. Lockwood will have to run the table and catch some breaks with the Wemo being way down this year to be a 2 or 3 seed in Districts.

To be fair, Southeast is Class 3 this year, so that could help things a bit.

 

[CaptainMullet]

Grow up.

There are two types of people in Grape Falls... those who thought the story was hilarious and those who thought it hit a little too close to home.

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

"In the past 3 years 60-70% of the schools in the dome have been Private schools... A coincidence !? I Doubt it Oh well life goes on.

Where are you getting those numbers?

I'm no mathemagician, but in the last 3 years only 10 (out of 42) teams to compete in football championships were private schools. That's 23%. Of those 10, only 5 actually won, and Valle won 3 of them.

So, private schools have played in 23% of championship games and only won 12.5%.

If you're going to make something up, at least make it something that isn't so easy to check...

wiki/List_of_Missouri_state_high_school_football_champions

 

[mosofan]

If you realized just how good their coaching staff is, in addition to community support, and being able to artificially inflate their numbers by offering football as a PE credit, not to mention, winning recruits for itself.

If you live in Ste Genevieve and your kid loves football and wants to win championships, where do you go?

Good coaching helps a lot. That is how Webb stays so good. But community support (i.e. rich alumni who donate money which provides scholarships for good football players) is a huge advantage for some private schools.

 

[Skinslvr26]

Where are you getting those numbers?

I'm no mathemagician, but in the last 3 years only 10 (out of 42) teams to compete in football championships were private schools. That's 23%. And of those 10, only 5 actually won, and Valle won 3 of them.

So, private schools have played in 23% of championship games and only won 12.5%.

If you're going to make something up, at least make it something that isn't so easy to check...

wiki/List_of_Missouri_state_high_school_football_champions

I didn't make it up I could swore I read that somewhere... I was passing on what I had read or what I was told. But Add In their's So many more Public schools than Private that number should get a multiplier Imo... So lets say there's 5 public schools to 1 Private that 23% Is a very high number.

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

I didn't make it up I could swore I read that somewhere... I was passing on what I had read or what I was told. But Add In their's So many more Public schools than Private that number should get a multiplier Imo

Hahahaha, don't pass on hearsay. That just contributes to the dumbing down of society.

I didn't even count 8 man, so that number already got a multiplier. Tack on 8 man and the numbers drop to 20% played in and 10% won, with Valle contributing 60% of the wins and a 30% of the appearances.

You can hate on private schools all you want, but the numbers (in football at least) are against you.

 

[blakmilk]

Good coaching helps a lot. That is how Webb stays so good. But community support (i.e. rich alumni who donate money which provides scholarships for good football players) is a huge advantage for some private schools.

Where did you get this information about scholarships? I'd like to see your source.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

If you realized just how good their coaching staff is, in addition to community support, and being able to artificially inflate their numbers by offering football as a PE credit, not to mention, winning recruits for itself.

If you live in Ste Genevieve and your kid loves football and wants to win championships, where do you go?

Yep their kids are coached up in a manner resembling the Webbs and harrisonvilles and lamars. Takes manpower and guys who care about the product on the field. AND lots and lots of time.

Idk about the PE credit thing . They draw from at least two counties so the potential is always there.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Where did you get this information about scholarships? I'd like to see your source.

He said SOME private schools.
Rockhurst gives 'work study' at 35/hr. Valle is a whole different animal though. They probably just reduce tuition on case by case basis.

This from their site:

Please contact the Parish Office at 573-883-2731 for current tuition and fees.

Online gifts and tuition payments may be made here.

Site also says they require interviews to be considered. That'd be handy

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

Yep their kids are coached up in a manner resembling the Webbs and harrisonvilles and lamars. Takes manpower and guys who care about the product on the field. AND lots and lots of time.

Idk about the PE credit thing . They draw from at least two counties so the potential is always there.

Right and the two towns closes to them (Ste Genevieve and Festus) both have over 10,000 people in them. It's not like they're drawing from Adrian, Miller, Lockwood, or Jasper. Ste Genevieve has twice as many people in it than the 4 towns I just mentioned combined.

 

[blakmilk]

They draw from at least two counties so the potential is always there.

What are the two counties?

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

What are the two counties?

Ste Genevieve and Jefferson Counties. The vast majority are from Ste Genevieve County.

 

[GoRed16]

You're not familiar with high school football on the east side of the state are you?

Nope.. but if they can't support their local team, I don't want to be.

As for McAuley being a powerhouse.. when they build a football empire and start taking Webb City & Joplin's best then they can be considered in the equation.. Right now they barely have enough to play 8 man so obviously football isn't what their schools main focus is, unlike some other private schools.

 

[GoRed16]

Site also says they require interviews to be considered. That'd be handy

Interesting.. I wonder what their acceptance rate is..

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

I didn't make it up I could swore I read that somewhere... I was passing on what I had read or what I was told. But Add In their's So many more Public schools than Private that number should get a multiplier Imo... So lets say there's 5 public schools to 1 Private that 23% Is a very high number.

There are 344 high schools in the state of Missouri that play football. Of that 344, 42 are private schools.

So private schools represent 12% of the schools that play football and 20% of the state championship representatives over the last 3 years. That is a SLIGHTLY outsized representation, but at only 8%, it's not that big a deal.

Not 60 or 70% like you suggested...

If you're wondering where my numbers come from, they're from the MSHSAA website, not hearsay.

 

[fbfan23]

You guys are bickering and spending a lot of time talking about one player for absolutely no reason. Not one of the teams or players you've mentioned has a snowballs chance in Hades of beating Valle Catholic.

Lockwood won't even wind up being the first loser, so why spend so much time on them?

Because Lockwood spends so much time bragging about Lockwood that some of us like to keep stirring Lockwood up. They did claim to be the best Class 1 or SRVC team ever last year some bogus claim lie that anyway

 

[GoRed16]

I think the comment last year was that this was the best Lockwood team since joining the SRVC. Not the best SRVC team ever. There's a difference.

And pretty much every fan brags on their team, no matter how good, or not so good, they are... its because we're proud of our kids.

 

[edirpkwahkcalb]

There are two types of people in Grape Falls... those who thought the story was hilarious and those who thought it hit a little too close to home.

Making sport of an entire community & program for one idiots mistakes seems foolish. It would be equivalent to looking down on Adrian's current community & football program because of the mistakes of a man in 1987 throwing 3 interceptions in a State Championship loss to a team with 18 players. Right Veer?

 

[CaptainMullet]

Making sport of an entire community & program for one idiots mistakes seems foolish. It would be equivalent to looking down on Adrian's current community & football program because of the mistakes of a man in 1987 throwing 3 interceptions in a State Championship loss to a team with 18 players. Right Veer?

It's a message board. Take a deep breath.... Go for a long walk.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Making sport of an entire community & program for one idiots mistakes seems foolish. It would be equivalent to looking down on Adrian's current community & football program because of the mistakes of a man in 1987 throwing 3 interceptions in a State Championship loss to a team with 18 players. Right Veer?

As compared to your title game performance?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

There are 344 high schools in the state of Missouri that play football. Of that 344, 42 are private schools.

So private schools represent 12% of the schools that play football and 20% of the state championship representatives over the last 3 years. That is a SLIGHTLY outsized representation, but at only 8%, it's not that big a deal.

Not 60 or 70% like you suggested...

If you're wondering where my numbers come from, they're from the MSHSAA website, not hearsay.

What are the numbers for class 1? Class 2? Class 3?

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

What are the numbers for class 1? Class 2? Class 3?

I don't remember off the top of my head and don't really feel like re-counting.

I think only 2 or 3 in Class 1, several in Class 2 and 3. There are also only 2 in Class 6.

I think a fair(ish) compromise would be to just not allow private schools to be in Class 1. Ever.

 

[MC_PL01]

Since when did the SRVC teams become so dominate? I have no idea, so I am seriously asking when was the last quarter or semi-finals appearance by one of their schools? Have they won a district championship since the format changed a few years back? For the love of pete, Jasper was supposed to be neck and neck with Lockwood last year for the title of best SRVC team in recent memory and Drexel literally crucified them 50-8 and we were the fourth best WEMO team last year. Heck, I don't believe Lockwood, Liberal or Jasper ever even sniffed a title when they were in the WEMO.

Miller in 2012 went to quarters and lost to Valle under the "new" new system. No other Spring River team has won district (old sectional) since. There have been a couple of runner ups (old district).

Miller also went to quarters in '09 & '10 under "old" new system, Greenfield in '08 ish as well.

 

[HOKAHEY!!]

Talk about a thread blowing up. It's crazy how it's jumped around on so many different topics. From the sound of this board, everyone has been really eating up the no show/ reshow of a player drama over here. It's been an unfortunate distraction for these seniors and under classman that they didn't need to deal with. These guys are trying to over come the loss of so many seniors from last year now this drama has only hurt the team in their developement to get ready for this year. Pretty selfish if ya ask me and I've heard the rest of his teammates agree. I was talking to a couple of my old teammates and no way would any of them done that let alone allowed him to come back after missing that long. Lambert and Mike Rader would have said hit the road. But it's a different era. I know the greats of years past would have never put themselves above the team. Hope it all works out and these kids can move on. I'm ready for the season to start so we don't hear anymore about this. BTW fbfan good luck to Greenfield getting 31 kids into 8 man games. Had every opportunity to get back in to 11 man but the basketball gurus wanted no part.

 

[Skinslvr26]

Talk about a thread blowing up. It's crazy how it's jumped around on so many different topics. From the sound of this board, everyone has been really eating up the no show/ reshow of a player drama over here. It's been an unfortunate distraction for these seniors and under classman that they didn't need to deal with. These guys are trying to over come the loss of so many seniors from last year now this drama has only hurt the team in their developement to get ready for this year. Pretty selfish if ya ask me and I've heard the rest of his teammates agree. I was talking to a couple of my old teammates and no way would any of them done that let alone allowed him to come back after missing that long. Lambert and Mike Rader would have said hit the road. But it's a different era. I know the greats of years past would have never put themselves above the team. Hope it all works out and these kids can move on. I'm ready for the season to start so we don't hear anymore about this. BTW fbfan good luck to Greenfield getting 31 kids into 8 man games. Had every opportunity to get back in to 11 man but the basketball gurus wanted no part.

So is the kid playing for u or not !? The coach's over there would never not let him return bc winning is more important than rules or your Team but hey that's just my Opinion

 

[HOKAHEY!!]

So is the kid playing for u or not !? The coach's over there would never not let him return bc winning is more important than rules or your Team but hey that's just my Opinion

From everything I've heard he's coming back today. I completely support the school and staff but this situation is kinda hard to swallow.

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

So is the kid playing for u or not !? The coach's over there would never not let him return bc winning is more important than rules or your Team but hey that's just my Opinion

So a 16-18 year old kid isn't allowed to make mistakes? Let's be real, odds are he will only play high school football, why take away his senior year over being unsure what he wanted to do?

Ultimately none of it matters because Valle will own Class 1 again.

 

[blakmilk]

So a 16-18 year old kid isn't allowed to make mistakes? Let's be real, odds are he will only play high school football, why take away his senior year over being unsure what he wanted to do?

Ultimately none of it matters because Valle will own Class 1 again.

While it is certainly expected that they will field a very good team again. I don't think you can ever discount Thayer or Marceline or Penney. Thayer and Marcy gave the boys in blue more than they wanted last year. Granted against Thayer a number of Valle kids went down. And against Marcy the weather was terrible for throwing the ball. Those two almost knocked the giant down.

 

[Gubba Bump Shrimp]

While it is certainly expected that they will field a very good team again. I don't think you can ever discount Thayer or Marceline or Penney. Thayer and Marcy gave the boys in blue more than they wanted last year. Granted against Thayer a number of Valle kids went down. And against Marcy the weather was terrible for throwing the ball. Those two almost knocked the giant down.

I could conceivably see Valle losing 3 games in the regular season. But they could also very easily drop 60 on everyone and go undefeated again.

 

[justaconcernedcitizen]

On a side note on Ozarksports zone I just heard Greenfields coach say they had 32 kids !!!! WTF are you doing playing 8 man...Get your asses back to 11 man and stop playing the game dumbed down.

They started fall practice last year with 13 kids, ended up with 17, graduating 3 kids. Freshman class brought in 7-8, but unsure of the turnout. The school had to commit to 8-Man or 11-man in November for the two year cycle, not knowing numbers. Kids like the game because it is faster paced and higher scoring.

Coach was surprised to have 32 kids come out. But in 8-man that best teams typically have 25-30 kids on their teams. (Not saying Greenfield will be a state contender, but Worth County, Stanberry, and North Andrew are around the 30 mark or even 40+ every year.)

As for 8-man being dumbed down, clearly you have never tried to coach it or watch it played against teams that know what they are doing. Worth County was semifinalist in 8-man last year and probably would have been a semifinalist in 11-man class one. Try to figure out to play man coverage all night with less athletic defensive backs and always have one gap defensively typically exposed (That's just how it goes, not poor coaching). Its not a easy as it seems to play or coach. Kids have to be incredibly athletic and football savvy to be successful. Most successful coaches say that playing defense is like being down one man all game long, and hoping you don't get burnt.

 

[shoot90draw]

They started fall practice last year with 13 kids, ended up with 17, graduating 3 kids. Freshman class brought in 7-8, but unsure of the turnout. The school had to commit to 8-Man or 11-man in November for the two year cycle, not knowing numbers. Kids like the game because it is faster paced and higher scoring.

Coach was surprised to have 32 kids come out. But in 8-man that best teams typically have 25-30 kids on their teams. (Not saying Greenfield will be a state contender, but Worth County, Stanberry, and North Andrew are around the 30 mark or even 40+ every year.)

As for 8-man being dumbed down, clearly you have never tried to coach it or watch it played against teams that know what they are doing. Worth County was semifinalist in 8-man last year and probably would have been a semifinalist in 11-man class one. Try to figure out to play man coverage all night with less athletic defensive backs and always have one gap defensively typically exposed (That's just how it goes, not poor coaching). Its not a easy as it seems to play or coach. Kids have to be incredibly athletic and football savvy to be successful. Most successful coaches say that playing defense is like being down one man all game long, and hoping you don't get burnt.

8-man? Yawn....

 

[justaconcernedcitizen]

8-man? Yawn....

Just had to drop some knowledge!! Let the 11-man talk continue, with no more disruptions.

 

[TigerTough777]

I'm just ready for the Friday Night Lights again!

 

[blakmilk]

Interesting.. I wonder what their acceptance rate is..

Acceptance rate is quite high considering almost every one of their students starts there in kindergarten or one of the parish grade schools.

 

[Skinslvr26]

They started fall practice last year with 13 kids, ended up with 17, graduating 3 kids. Freshman class brought in 7-8, but unsure of the turnout. The school had to commit to 8-Man or 11-man in November for the two year cycle, not knowing numbers. Kids like the game because it is faster paced and higher scoring.

Coach was surprised to have 32 kids come out. But in 8-man that best teams typically have 25-30 kids on their teams. (Not saying Greenfield will be a state contender, but Worth County, Stanberry, and North Andrew are around the 30 mark or even 40+ every year.)

As for 8-man being dumbed down, clearly you have never tried to coach it or watch it played against teams that know what they are doing. Worth County was semifinalist in 8-man last year and probably would have been a semifinalist in 11-man class one. Try to figure out to play man coverage all night with less athletic defensive backs and always have one gap defensively typically exposed (That's just how it goes, not poor coaching). Its not a easy as it seems to play or coach. Kids have to be incredibly athletic and football savvy to be successful. Most successful coaches say that playing defense is like being down one man all game long, and hoping you don't get burnt.

Oh I've watch it and no thanks !! Well maybe in 2 yrs Greenfield will be back in 11 man... And i'd never take a job at a 8 man school so you're right ive never coached it or ever will.

 

[Skinslvr26]

So a 16-18 year old kid isn't allowed to make mistakes? Let's be real, odds are he will only play high school football, why take away his senior year over being unsure what he wanted to do?

Ultimately none of it matters because Valle will own Class 1 again.

You just actually have to know this kid and you'd know why even people in lockwood are pissed.... And no he'll play some low level College ball IMO.. And I Honestly have a feeling Valle wont win it this year !!! Its the first yr in a while I actually think they lose to Thayer and Marceline... I'll be cheering for Thayer that's for sure.

 

[Anders4]

Your team sucks, and is a bunch of cheaters

nah nah nah boo boo, stick your head in doo doo