Class 1 Early Top 10
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They're an all boys school? Someone should really tell their girls basketball and volleyball teams that.
Agree'd about beating them... But Kyle really is a Class 5 star on a class 1 team.
You could say that about any Class. Only Webb City and Jeff City are even in the conversation as far as championships are concerned.
I'm not saying that Valle and other private schools don't have some advantages. All I'm saying is they don't recruit.
Yes luck. And hard work on the part of the coaching staff and students. And luck on the field. Luck that the community is fully behind them and supports them. And does it really matter what class?
Not saying other schools don't work hard or that their communities don't support them, Valle is just lucky with the entire combination.
Once again I didn't say they wouldn't.. When a player Like him leaves the SRVC its a Difference maker !! If Valle Lost 1 of their backs they plug the next guy in and Go. Not at these tiny PUBLIC schools. That's why there was so much hype about him moving.. Thayer will Get Valle this Year I have hopes !!
Here's my opinion on private schools. Do they have a built in advantage? Possibly. Some private schools in the past have required students to go out for at least one sport, which could create big numbers out for a sport. This gets those borderline kids out for a sport instead of them just going fishing or whatever. When Rockhurst goes to a cross country meet, they bring 70+ kids sometimes while other teams may have a dozen.
2) If a parent can afford to send a player to a private school, they likely can afford to get them private lessons for golf and tennis, send them to the best football camps around the state or beyond, afford to pay entry fees for the best off season basketball leagues, etc.
3) Success builds success. A few years ago, if your kid in Jefferson City was good in youth wrestling and you could afford it, they were sent to Helias which dominated State Wresting. If you're in St Gen. and your kid is good in youth football, and you can afford it, why not send them to Valle with their state championship tradition
Are rules bent? Probably, in some cases but not always. I used to work with someone who attended a private school that told me exactly how it worked at that school. Hear about a youth that's tearing it up on the basketball court in middle school. Find out what their dad does for a living, Have an alumni in that specialty offer Dad a job, viola! There's your next all state point guard. I doubt this is common place, but it likely happens occasionally.
Are rules bent in public schools? Occasionally. I knew someone years ago whose uncle was superintendent of schools. They were on the edge of being bumped up a class so the uncle allegedly with held a few "late enrollments" when he turned in his numbers and the school stayed in a smaller classification.
2) If a parent can afford to send a player to a private school, they likely can afford to get them private lessons for golf and tennis, send them to the best football camps around the state or beyond, afford to pay entry fees for the best off season basketball leagues, etc.
3) Success builds success. A few years ago, if your kid in Jefferson City was good in youth wrestling and you could afford it, they were sent to Helias which dominated State Wresting. If you're in St Gen. and your kid is good in youth football, and you can afford it, why not send them to Valle with their state championship tradition
Are rules bent? Probably, in some cases but not always. I used to work with someone who attended a private school that told me exactly how it worked at that school. Hear about a youth that's tearing it up on the basketball court in middle school. Find out what their dad does for a living, Have an alumni in that specialty offer Dad a job, viola! There's your next all state point guard. I doubt this is common place, but it likely happens occasionally.
Are rules bent in public schools? Occasionally. I knew someone years ago whose uncle was superintendent of schools. They were on the edge of being bumped up a class so the uncle allegedly with held a few "late enrollments" when he turned in his numbers and the school stayed in a smaller classification.
Since when did the SRVC teams become so dominate? I have no idea, so I am seriously asking when was the last quarter or semi-finals appearance by one of their schools? Have they won a district championship since the format changed a few years back? For the love of pete, Jasper was supposed to be neck and neck with Lockwood last year for the title of best SRVC team in recent memory and Drexel literally crucified them 50-8 and we were the fourth best WEMO team last year. Heck, I don't believe Lockwood, Liberal or Jasper ever even sniffed a title when they were in the WEMO.
While I certainly could understand someone not from Ste Gen thinking this happens, it doesn't. Valle's grade school system loses kids to the public school every year for various reasons.
I wasn't asking about schools with single classes of 120 kids. I was asking about schools who's entire population is equal to or less than that. Valle has 14 championships, and was runner up at least 3 times. Other class 1 schools, have one or two.. I think Cass has 6.. I can see a small school having a few good years.. but 17 times playing in the state game seems like a lot of luck.
Obligatory... Maybe we can find his name in the phone book of Grape Falls.
This differs from how they shut down most every team they play by 50, 60, 70 points?
Again, you could say the same thing about Webb.
Yeah they may have 250 kids per grade level, but so does every other Class 4 school in the state.
Yes.. Per grade level.. that's more than the entire population of our high school. Schools big enough to have football tryouts are obviously going to have a higher standard of players, and its quite likely that they will have multiple consecutive years of good teams. Schools like Lockwood, Greenfield, Jasper etc.. don't have the numbers to pick and choose players... therefore much less likely to have more than a couple outstanding seasons
No one said the Srvc was dominate... For a small School Confernce we've had some good teams for our area... They might not be state tough but hey Its Football.. Being from Jasper And playing against said wemo teams in the late 90s ive always said the wemo was a tough Confernce... I went to the Rich Hill vs Drexel play-off game last yr bc jasper had a bye and i knew if we player Rich Hill we prob win a tough game but Drexel i honestly didnt want to play.. I would of rather played Midway to be honest... And Jasper over achieved they Werent suppose to be 8-0 going into the Lockwood game.
So every class 3 size school and up should have multiple consecutive years of good teams?
This is such a ridiculous statement. What is a "Class 5 star"? Give us the names of some of these "Class 5 stars" you've seen play who he reminds you of or has similar skills. Heck compare him to some Class 1 stars that he is similar to or has similar statistics to? Or is he just a big fish in a small remote pond?
They might surprise you! Your team last year was a lot better than what they were expected to be or given credit for.
Thanks for the clarification.. and yeah, I'm from the other side of the state lol.
Lord everyone is a Critic.. He could play for Any Team class 3-5 and be good... Seen Ezekiel Elliot play a bunch at Burroughs and he runs as hard !! He's not on Elliots level but he reminds me of him by The way he runs... If youve never seen him play u shouldn't knock him !! I know for a Fact Valles coach knows who he is !!( I've talked to Judd)
On a side note on Ozarksports zone I just heard Greenfields coach say they had 32 kids !!!! WTF are you doing playing 8 man...Get your asses back to 11 man and stop playing the game dumbed down.
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I think 8 man is a 2 year obligation, so they may be locked in to that.. not sure.
What if our teams are the same? Then they do but don't suck.
Hey you never did answer the question, shouldn't every team in Class 3-6 win all the time? I mean by your logic that's how that works right?
Lockwood has two kids with Upper d2/D1 (maybe) talent. They had SO MUCH talent last 2 years it was scary.
Bates reminds me of the kid from harrisonville that's playing in Tampa (physical skills). Bates is probably faster but doesn't bring the technique at the same age.
Bouldin reminds me of William Moore from hayti (at the same point in their careers)if i had to pick a 'big name'.
Those guys did ok.
I answered.. you just didn't see it. And I don't know how you got that from what I said but hey.. to each his own.
If you realized just how good their coaching staff is, in addition to community support, and being able to artificially inflate their numbers by offering football as a PE credit, not to mention, winning recruits for itself.
If you live in Ste Genevieve and your kid loves football and wants to win championships, where do you go?
