2017-18 Class 1 Hoops Thread

[WGTigerdad67]

Walnut grove 76 Hartville 67

 

[HoopsTournament]

Pollsters, St. Joseph Christian beat Winston soundly....their only recent loss to a class 1 team is North Andrew...lost to a C3 trenton team.

I'd go:
1. NA- undefeated, but is it their weak region? Lots of people think Worth and SJC can pull the upset...can't sleep on Jefferson or Mound city in D16 either matching up in sectionals.
2. Advance--going to cruise in their district, won't meet resistance in sectional either...Will cruise to play Eminence/Dora in SE quarter.
3. Walnut Grove-someone convince me I'm wrong here..played C4 Helias to OT...come on pollsters. Played Nixa to single digits...coaches...come on. Them playing dora on the 15th will be fun. Either way, they will cake walk to final four.
4. Jamestown- Until someone beats them, they are the team to beat in NEMO quad. I think they get to Springfield. Meadville, Chamois, St. Elizabeth or Glasgow are formidable challengers though.
5. Eminence- Can't wait to see them Play Dora/Advance again
6. Dora- youngbloods getting stronger with each game. Could pull off a stunner and get to Springfield
7. St. Joseph Christian- Second best team in NWMO right now still. Sharing district with North Andrew
8. Worth County- Have to play Pattonsburg in districts likely, who stunned Winston and St. Joseph Christian earlier in the year...but if they get it done, they are favored against Winston.
9. Meadville --wouldn't be shocked if Slater upsets them in districts, but always a solid program that knows how to make runs in the playoffs.
10. Winston-- only two losses...Pattonsburg and St. Joseph Christian, and are the 1 seed in District 13 or 14, forget which one.
----Could also make arguments for Chamois, St. Elizabeth, Lakeland, Greenfield, Hurley as top 10 teams...but Greenfield and Hurley won't make it out of districts. Maxpreps isn't too far off with recent rankings in my opinion. Eminence may deserve to be above Advance...especially if their loss was a close one to Advance..but they will have the opportunity to set that straight if they can get by Dora again. Hard to beat a good club 3 times.

They are definitely not taking into account strength of schedule. With SJC defeating Winston by 18. Worth County and SJC both have 5 losses. SJC's losses are to Trenton (C3), LeBlond (C3), Mid-Buch (C2 #2), North Andrew (C1 #1) and Pattonsburg. Worth County's 5 losses are to Maryville (C3), Stanberry (C2), North Andrew TWICE and SJC.

And another argument for why Winston should not be ranked above SJC and Worth Co: The GRC is 18-1 vs. the HDC teams other than Winston. So those are the same teams Winston plays in conference. The ENTIRE GRC has an 18-1 record vs. the same HDC teams Winston plays. While being good, the entire GRC is not made up of top 10 teams. But by their logic, the pollsters would vote them as top 10.

Winston's last four losses have been against GRC West teams. That will be #5 after they lose to Worth County.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Hey, I'm loving the contributions from the lurkers...yeah...is Linn County going to be a factor? Seemed like they dropped a fair bit of games down the stretch.

Milan beat Linn County by 49 tonight.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

To piggyback off Hoops Tournament and the Milan Score, For those who think green city is in the running (which maybe they are the second or third best team in that region, I haven’t seen them) they lost by 8 to Gallatin, who North Andrew beat by close to 30. It remains to be seen if anyone can beat Jamestown that is C1 in NEMO though, so it’s probably irrelevant.

 

[eaglesalumni]

Milan beat Linn County by 49 tonight.

Not trying to take away from Milan’s victory, or brag on Linn County, but LC did have 2 starters out with injuries. Probably been a little closer if not for that.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Not trying to take away from Milan’s victory, or brag on Linn County, but LC did have 2 starters out with injuries. Probably been a little closer if not for that.

That would likely factor in!

 

[you_dont_know_me]

We’ve been talkihg down Winston some, but maybe they read the board and went out to prove something. I heard they got a big margin win over their arch rival Mercer. Solid win for the now 21-2 Redbirds. Sets them up well for District play as the top seed in D13. I believe they have a rematch with Mercer this week as they had to move it due to weather.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Nice article on Dora: https://swmobasketball.com/article/dora-falcons-bbb-freshmen-emerging-as-contenders/

 

[DunkDonuts]

[QUOTE="

Winston's last four losses have been against GRC West teams. That will be #5 after they lose to Worth County.[/QUOTE]


Lurker here...great stuff on Class 1 basketball....You Don't Know Me and GRC Hoops Tourn keeping some great discussions going.

One comment to Hoops Tournament....got a buddy whose kid played for Birds last few years.....Winston's schedule is weaker...no doubt...but if you are going to pridefully bring up that their one loss in 2016 and one loss in 2017 were to GRC teams....you probably should mention that one of their wins was by 25 over the 2017 GRC champion Trenton. (in the interest of statistical fairness)
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Good stuff though......District 13-16
North Andrew...over SJC and South Holt...KC harasses NA in semi for a half.
Worth County....over Pattonsburg and Mercer
Jefferson and Mound City....wow...almost a push...give the edge to Jefferson and that Jermain Tradition
Winston...slight edge over Braymer and SW...but Braymer can beat Winston .

 

[you_dont_know_me]

New Maxpreps 2/13

# School Ovr. Rating Str.
1 Eminence 23-1 19.1 2.7
2 North Andrew (Rosendale) 21-0 18.3 -1.3
3 Dora 18-5 13.9 3.4
4 Advance 18-6 12.4 2.9
5 Jamestown 21-2 10.8 -4.6
6 Worth County (Grant City) 17-5 8.1 -1.1
7 St. Joseph Christian (St. Joseph) 21-5 7.8 -3.4
8 South Iron (Annapolis) 18-5 5.5 -4.4
9 Walnut Grove 14-9 5.4 0.8
10 Lakeland (Deepwater) 20-3 5.3 -8.3
11 Winston 21-2 4.7 -11.2
12 Jefferson (Conception Junction) 18-8 3.9 -3.2
13 Meadville 19-4 3.8 -8.4
14 Southwest (Ludlow) 17-2 3.6 -10.9
15 Green City 17-6 3.5 -6.0
16 Risco 15-6 3.5 -5.1
17 South Holt (Oregon) 14-5 3.3 -5.6
18 Mound City 13-7 2.2 -3.5
19 Pattonsburg 13-7 2.2 -3.8
20 Mercer 11-6 1.6 -4.0
21 Chamois 15-8 1.0 -4.9
22 Hurley 18-6 0.8 -7.8
23 Brunswick 17-6 0.8 -8.2
24 Halfway 17-5 0.7 -10.0
25 St. Elizabeth 11-11 0.6 -0.1

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Hoops, you know anything about SJC's games with Whitefield academy? Not posted on MSHSAA, but posted on Maxpreps. SJC's record 19-5 or 21-5?

 

[nwbball]

Hoops, you know anything about SJC's games with Whitefield academy? Not posted on MSHSAA, but posted on Maxpreps. SJC's record 19-5 or 21-5?

I don't see it on their school webpage....which is a fantastic page.
Shows games this week against KC Lutheran and East Buch. That game with EB is of interest. Earlier this season the Lions had a nice win over Lathrop. Chance to rise up against a bigger school.

 

[WGTigerdad67]

Walnut Grove 83 Fair Play 57 with this win The Grove claims a 5th in a row undefeated Polk County League Championship. Also riding a 5 game winning streak and playing pretty well.

 

[eaglesalumni]

Glasgow comes from behind to claim a 2 point win over Meadville in the last regular season game. It was a game that belonged to Meadville all night, but everything went wrong for them, and right for Glasgow the last 3 min.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Valentine’s Day Coaches Poll..last one before the big dance!
Class 1



1 North Andrew 21-0

2 Eminence 23-1

3 Jamestown 21-2

4 Advance 18-6

5 Winston 21-2

6 Meadville 19-4

7 Walnut Grove 15-9

8 Dora 19-5

9 St. Joseph Christian 19-5

10 Lakeland 20-3

 

[HoopsTournament]

Hoops, you know anything about SJC's games with Whitefield academy? Not posted on MSHSAA, but posted on Maxpreps. SJC's record 19-5 or 21-5?

They did not play Whitefield.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I don't see it on their school webpage....which is a fantastic page.
Shows games this week against KC Lutheran and East Buch. That game with EB is of interest. Earlier this season the Lions had a nice win over Lathrop. Chance to rise up against a bigger school.

Lutheran game was canceled.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Lurker here...great stuff on Class 1 basketball....You Don't Know Me and GRC Hoops Tourn keeping some great discussions going.

One comment to Hoops Tournament....got a buddy whose kid played for Birds last few years.....Winston's schedule is weaker...no doubt...but if you are going to pridefully bring up that their one loss in 2016 and one loss in 2017 were to GRC teams....you probably should mention that one of their wins was by 25 over the 2017 GRC champion Trenton. (in the interest of statistical fairness)
.
Good stuff though......District 13-16
North Andrew...over SJC and South Holt...KC harasses NA in semi for a half.
Worth County....over Pattonsburg and Mercer
Jefferson and Mound City....wow...almost a push...give the edge to Jefferson and that Jermain Tradition
Winston...slight edge over Braymer and SW...but Braymer can beat Winston .

Last year Winston was very good and deserving of a higher ranking. This year, they are good, but not great.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Not enough pollsters agree with me or read this thread I guess...

Move 7,8,9 up to 5,6 and shuffle 5 and 6 down to 8, 9. Lakeland isn't a top 10 team.

 

[bgdt]

Not enough pollsters agree with me or read this thread I guess...

Move 7,8,9 up to 5,6 and shuffle 5 and 6 down to 8, 9. Lakeland isn't a top 10 team.

Agreed. Though I'd move WG up even higher still. Who would you put in at 10 over Lakeland? I feel like Green City should probably be in over Meadville too.

 

[WGTigerdad67]

Agreed. Though I'd move WG up even higher still. Who would you put in at 10 over Lakeland? I feel like Green City should probably be in over Meadville too.

Leave us where we’re at we kind of like running under the radar. Good game tonight Wg hosting the Dora Falcons.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

If you look at comparable scores (which is not always the most reliable thing), and final season shakeout...I'm telling you..Worth County should be in top 10. Not Lakeland, not Green City.

If we are straight up going off best teams in the state (which is what it should be...it could really be argued that Walnut Grove is 1, Advance 2, Eminence 3, North Andrew 4, Jamestown 5... I am of the opinion there is a decent divide between top 5 teams and the rest. After the first 5, I'd go 6. Worth County, 7. St. Joseph Christian (even though Christian won head to head) 8. Winston 9. Hurley 10. Chamois/Glasgow/Green City, Slater, Meadville

 

[JustAnOkayCoach]

If you look at comparable scores (which is not always the most reliable thing), and final season shakeout...I'm telling you..Worth County should be in top 10. Not Lakeland, not Green City.

If we are straight up going off best teams in the state (which is what it should be...it could really be argued that Walnut Grove is 1, Advance 2, Eminence 3, North Andrew 4, Jamestown 5... I am of the opinion there is a decent divide between top 5 teams and the rest. After the first 5, I'd go 6. Worth County, 7. St. Joseph Christian (even though Christian won head to head) 8. Winston 9. Hurley 10. Chamois/Glasgow/Green City, Slater, Meadville

Dropping Dora out altogether now? I didn’t expect that from you.

 

[WGTigerdad67]

Dora 83 Walnut Grove 74.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Dropping Dora out altogether now? I didn’t expect that from you.

I did leave them off...I didn’t mean to! And look at them beating walnut grove and making me look even worse. I knew I was forgetting someone.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I’d put Dora ahead of Jamestown mid behind north andrew. Although tonight’s game changes things no slight meant. They sure showed me!

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Updated Maxpreps rankings 2/16
# School Ovr. Rating Str.
1 Eminence 25-1 19.0 2.3
2 North Andrew (Rosendale) 22-0 17.8 -1.9
3 Dora 20-5 13.3 2.0
4 Advance 20-6 12.7 2.6
5 Jamestown 22-2 10.7 -4.9
6 Worth County (Grant City) 19-5 8.1 -2.0
7 St. Joseph Christian (St. Joseph) 21-5 7.6 -3.6
8 Walnut Grove 15-9 6.4 1.3
9 South Iron (Annapolis) 20-5 6.2 -4.4
10 Lakeland (Deepwater) 21-3 5.9 -8.0
11 Winston 22-2 4.7 -11.3
12 Southwest (Ludlow) 18-2 3.7 -10.8
13 Risco 15-6 3.6 -5.1
14 Jefferson (Conception Junction) 19-9 3.4 -3.4
15 Green City 18-6 2.8 -7.2
16 South Holt (Oregon) 15-5 2.4 -7.0
17 Meadville 19-5 2.4 -8.7
18 Mound City 13-7 1.8 -3.9
19 Chamois 16-8 1.4 -4.9
20 Pattonsburg 14-7 1.4 -5.3
21 Mercer 12-7 1.3 -3.9
22 Halfway 19-5 1.3 -10.2
23 Hurley 19-6 1.2 -8.0
24 Scott County Central (Sikeston) 10-15 0.5 4.6
25 St. Elizabeth 11-11 0.5 -0.2

 

[Missouri Kid]

St. Elizabeth beat a decent class 2 New Bloomfield squad (seeded first in their district) at New Bloomfield last night. A friend tells me they have changed their lineup and rotations and are really cooking right now. Disregard their record (most of their losses are to larger class schools) and with their size they match up well with Jamestown.
Play off basketball is about to begin where it will all be settled on the court. Wishing both teams the best because they both mean so much to their communities. Love this time of year !!!!!~

 

[you_dont_know_me]

St. Elizabeth beat a decent class 2 New Bloomfield squad (seeded first in their district) at New Bloomfield last night. A friend tells me they have changed their lineup and rotations and are really cooking right now. Disregard their record (most of their losses are to larger class schools) and with their size they match up well with Jamestown.
Play off basketball is about to begin where it will all be settled on the court. Wishing both teams the best because they both mean so much to their communities. Love this time of year !!!!!~

hey, thanks for the notes. St. Elizabeth doesn't have a soft schedule, and they gave glasgow a run last year playoff time too. Anything can happen!

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Newish poll if you haven't voted: https://mosports.forums.rivals.com/threads/class-1-hoops-poll-9.34414/

 

[HoopsTournament]

SJC defeats East Buchanan 59-53. SJC is 20-5.
North Andrew defeats SW Livingston 81-48. North Andrew is 23-0.

SJC ends regular season 7-3 over teams Class 2 or higher.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

SJC defeats East Buchanan 59-53. SJC is 20-5.
North Andrew defeats SW Livingston 81-48. North Andrew is 23-0.

SJC ends regular season 7-3 over teams Class 2 or higher.

Do you think they have a shot against North Andrew in a rematch? Surely beating a bigger school has them pretty confident.

 

[JustAnOkayCoach]

Eminence over St. Paul Lutheran (Farmington) 89-21. Senior guard Ethan Drake scores his 1000th point.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Do you think they have a shot against North Andrew in a rematch? Surely beating a bigger school has them pretty confident.

A shot? Yes. SJC has to be red hot from 3 and North Andrew has to have a bad shooting night. North Andrew is the best team I have seen in person in Class 1 since Scott County about 5 years ago.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

It updated maxpreps rankings on saturday this time:
1 Eminence 25-1 18.9 2.2
2 North Andrew (Rosendale) 23-0 17.4 -1.5
3 Dora 21-5 13.6 2.1
4 Advance 20-6 12.7 2.6
5 Jamestown 23-2 11.0 -4.8
6 Worth County (Grant City) 20-5 8.4 -2.1
7 St. Joseph Christian (St. Joseph) 22-5 8.3 -3.0
8 Lakeland (Deepwater) 22-3 6.2 -7.9
9 Walnut Grove 15-10 6.0 1.8
10 South Iron (Annapolis) 20-5 6.0 -4.6
11 Winston 23-2 5.1 -10.9
12 Jefferson (Conception Junction) 19-9 3.5 -3.2
13 Risco 15-6 3.5 -5.2
14 Southwest (Ludlow) 19-4 2.8 -9.0
15 Green City 19-6 2.6 -7.8
16 South Holt (Oregon) 16-5 2.6 -7.4
17 Mound City 14-7 2.4 -3.9
18 Meadville 20-5 2.4 -9.1
19 Pattonsburg 15-7 1.7 -5.6
20 St. Elizabeth 13-11 1.7 -0.4
21 Chamois 16-8 1.4 -4.9
22 Hurley 20-6 1.3 -8.2
23 Halfway 19-5 1.2 -10.2
24 Mercer 13-8 1.1 -3.7
25 Scott County Central (Sikeston) 10-15 0.5 4.6

 

[you_dont_know_me]

New Poll Monday: https://mosports.forums.rivals.com/...-going-to-come-out-of-the-semo-quarter.34457/

Who do you guys think will make it out and why? Will Eminence be able to beat Dora a third time? Will Advance get toppled in a rematch with Eminence or a first time matchup with Dora?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

This is a downloadable Excel file with the Entire C1 bracket put into it, updated with results. It's pretty neat, and you could even do a pickem if you wanted to. I can't take credit for it, but I work with smart people. It won't print on one page, but those of you who can do excel, I'm sure you could reformat it to make it work.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=00227587524432536707&t=0022758752443253670716498

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I see where Meadville has been eliminated. Our first one seed to go down in the state.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Advance will face old foe Scott County Central in sectionals

Another 1 seed is eliminated (Risco)

 

[you_dont_know_me]

halfway eliminated