Public/Private debate
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I know, 7 pages and still going strong! I find it interesting how everyone seems to have an opinion about public vs private. These threads always stir up lots of comments. Almost as good as a Bolivar thread.
Spoke with a co-worker today. She said that Greenwood (AR) is looking at her son for recruitment. He's 11. She told them they probably couldn't afford to drive him to school there from Fort Smith. They told her not to worry that they would take care of it. 
Just because they have not been caught does not mean that they are not cheating
This is where you do not understand that even if no one is breaking any rules private schools have a competitive advantage over public schools. The class system is suppose to set up a fair and competitive system or we would not have classes. The problem is that private schools can draw from a much larger range of students, where as public schools are held to a specific boundary.
Lets suppose colleges operated on this system. Lets say that the University of Missouri could only offer scholarships to football players only from the state of Missouri, but a Private school like Notre Dame can offer scholarships to any player in the country. Does this create a competitive advantage, it sure does.
Life isn't fair. If you want to believe that a school is cheating even after MSHSAA has gone thru their paperwork with an electron microscope, then go right ahead. Apply your energy toward MSHSAA instead of crying online and making excuses for why you think public schools have been victimized by the system. Seriously. Call and write MSHSAA if you don't like the rules.
Did your team win tonight, or have they already started basketball practice?
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If both coaches throw out racism in the STL paper interview about forfeits, do you really think that card wasn't played in any appeals or investigation of wrong doing? I know for a fact it has been; and in this political climate not something MSHSAA wants to touch. So while crusader _2 can say that mshsaa disagrees with all these interpretations of ny-laws, that is coming from his perspective because they have succumb to that pressure. I know plenty of kids with far more legit situations for transfer/enrollment that weren't granted the same waiver because they didn't/couldn't play that card. So stop acting like everything is legit, admit you found a loophole and took advantage of it by applying (or having parents) apply that pressure on the state just like in the paper when you falsely accused St Charles of wrongdoing and got called on the carpet to the state in Columbia. Congrats on beating Carnahan. Looking forward to the all-star game next week.
You should really take your concerns directly to MSHSAA. It seems like a real waste of energy to spin your wheels in an online message board. I know it kills you inside to see those two schools achieve everything they have. It may not make you feel any better to cry about your feelings, but it sure is entertaining to watch you do it. Enjoy your offseason.
Irony is ironic...
Lutheran North and Trinity are undefeated, MSHSAA found them to have followed the rules, they're playing one another for their District Championship, they have more players with D1 scholarship offers than any other 2 teams in Missouri, 3 Under Armour All-Americans, 1 U.S. Army All-American, the Top-Rated 2018 RB, LB and DE in the state, 3 of the Top 5 2019 players in the state, at least a dozen college coaches and a record crowd attending their game next Friday.
You have your hurt feelings, your jealousy and all the GIFs you can find to keep yourself occupied while you think about next season. Both teams will be even better next year. Cry me a river.
So impressive...... It's amazing that 2 class 2 teams have so many D1 prospects. Just a shame you are both in the same district! But hey, it's like someone said on another thread, the losing team can always just suit up the following Monday and play for the winning coach. We all know MSHSAA obviously won't care!!It looks like the best way to bring attention to MSHSAA's incompetent handling of this situation, is for schools to stop scheduling games with these teams !
The only one crying is you.
If you guys are innocent, why do you feel such an obviously desperate need to convince all of us?
An innocent person doesn't keep reiterating the same points in an effort to appear innocent. You're not on trial and no one on this board works at MSHSAA, why do you need to convince us if you are actually innocent? Or just make another hundred posts in an effort to clear your name...which you claim doesn't need clearing in the first place. Makes sense.
Folks confuse MSHSAA with the NCAA. They dont have a huge staff of investigators who are watching everyone's every move. They are going to assume everything is legit until someone contacts them with probable cause to investigate something. That seldom happens.
Take your crusade elsewhere bro.
And you never answered my question.
What is the harm of having separate playoffs for public and private? Who gets hurt?
Take your crusade elsewhere bro.
And you never answered my question.
What is the harm of having separate playoffs for public and private? Who gets hurt?
I hear forfeits bring attention too.
You cry because you don't like Lutheran North and Trinity, then you cry because you don't like MSHSAA's rules, then you cry because MSHSAA investigates them and finds they didn't cheat, then you cry and say that "just because they weren't found to be cheating, doesn't mean they aren't wrong" then you cry because ONE PERSON on this entire message board doesn't give you a hug and tell you that you're right.
Man up, snowflake. Worry more about the teams you DO like and cry less about the ones you don't. You can hold onto whatever fantasies you want to so you can try and feel a little better about it. My posts aren't intended to convince you of anything you don't want to accept ... and you can expect to see me reply until I choose not to anymore because it feels REALLY good when I do it. Just wait until I start firing off GIFs on them!
I hear forfeits bring attention too.
Not as much attention as an undefeated season and a bunch of college scholarship offers do.
Actually the recruiting/cheating and forfeits have brought a lot more attention to Trinity and Lutheran North, more than the results of the cheating.
Who, outside of those schools, is talking about their undefeated seasons and D1 offers without referring to the cheating efforts that precipitated it?
A). No, Thanks. I like it here. I think I'll stay a while.
B). You're right. I never did. Any of the times you asked it.
C). It won't happen. If you want to know why, call MSHSAA. I posted their # multiple times on this thread.
D). Your feelings do ... apparently.
Trinity isn't invincible. They have a ton of talent and the play to their strengths, but they don't do EVERYTHING well, like every other Class 2 team (except Lamar) their roster is small, they don't have any real competition in their conference and cold weather doesn't help teams that throw the ball.
So you cant actually address separating the playoffs, which is the point of the thread. No one will be hurt.
The only people crying about Lutheran North and Trinity are random, anonymous guys on message boards. Public school fanboys have been complaining about private schools for decades. MSHSAA's rules haven't changed. You guys only care about what's happening now because those 2 schools are getting attention and D1 scholarship offers and you're mad because you wish your kids were.
Actually the rules have changed and hate to break this to you but it's guys/teams like you that are going to force a split.
That's fair.
Splitting the two won't happen. Why? Because there aren't enough ADs that want it to pass. It's a hypothetical argument because it can't even get enough signatures to get to a vote. We can debate the reasons why, of course ... but the main reason is that not enough ADs agree with you that private schools have an unfair advantage over public schools.
Don't bite MY head off for saying that. I don't have a vote on the issue. No. Public and private schools aren't the same, the rules governing them aren't the same and the way they enroll students isn't the same. That doesn't mean it's unfair. It means there are advantages that they both have and those advantages aren't the same for both types of schools.
I REALLY think the bigger issue is that Missouri doesn't allow Spring Football for high schools.
Maybe I need to start another thread on it?
You spend too much time hating. I appreciate the compliment, but MSHSAA doesn't care about one guy posting on MOSPORTS and antagonizing you. Want to know why? Because MSHSAA doesn't care what you or I think. MSHSAA isn't in the business of feelings, fairness, the "integrity of high school sports" OR the best interests of kids. MSHSAA is about rules. I don't like all of MSHSAA's rules but I don't cry online about them when they're being followed, just because I wish the outcome was different. You whining about what you wish had happened is the same as people crying because Obama got elected and then people crying because Trump got elected. You like the rules JUST fine when they benefit YOU directly but cry foul when they don't.
If the state splits into public and private, so be it. Then you guys can focus on crying about the petty little beefs and imagined imbalances that public schools have with one another. If MSHSAA changes the rules, then schools will follow those too. None of you clowns even PLAY Lutheran North or Trinity. Lamar is the King of Class 2 and has been for a decade ... but y'all want to lose your minds over 2 tiny schools in a City that you all love to hate, that haven't won State in more than 15 years. Whatever.
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Trinity had all this last year, and Lamar still beat them!!
Yep. Lamar is the King of Class 2. Maybe ALL of SWMO ... but you're all enraged at 2 schools you don't even play. Seems like a pretty huge waste of time, doesn't it?
I'm curious. Other than going through every incoming student's paperwork and verifying the documentation required, what more do you think MSHSAA should do?
Is it that you don't trust that MSHSAA followed the rules (rules that apply equally to EVERY school), that you don't like or understand the rules, or you just really, REALLY can't stand those two schools winning games and their kids getting scholarship offers? I mean, NEITHER of them has beaten Lamar or won State the last 2 years. What makes them such a focal point for your rage?
I see that you are a newer member. The whole public/private debate has been going on for years it's not just Trinity or Lutheran North thing. You see it that the 'rules apply equally' and the majority of us don't believe that way. You have opportunities that we do not, but I know you will never see it that way. I'm all for the boys getting scholarships, especially if that's what it takes to get them to college. I just feel it's wrong that you guys can pick and choose where you want to go without having to sit out the mandatory year. BTW Lamar isn't the king of Class 2 and we all know there will come a time when we will lose. We're just enjoying the ride!
The only one crying for them is you. Perhaps you are trolling yourself. Gotta give it to you, you're persistant.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Cardinal Ritter was a top 5 ranked team. There's no shame in having a closer than expected result against them, especially when you consider they had a 3 week layoff.
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