Public/Private debate
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Wow. Did not know they had a multiplier in the scholarbowl also
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I'm not even saying they have violated rules. They have found a way to do it legally apparently. Recruit that is. Everybody else knows it. And I wouldn't be shocked if a rule change is made after season because of this.
I just find it funny how you beat around the bush about what is really going on by saying "MSHSAA doesn't see anything wrong in what is going on". The truth is, they may see what is going on, but have yet to find a solution. Doesn't mean they haven't found it wrong.
Scenario: A student attends a public middle school and their high school team is terrible. He has a good public school 20 miles to the north and a good private school 20 miles to the south. Student A's family has to sell their house and move into the North district for him to attend the good public school. Student A's family does not have to sell their house and move the family for him to attend the private school. Student A goes to the private school. Private schools have no advantage we KNOWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL your a special kinda special.
I believe your wrong. You dont have to live in a school district to attend a different public school.
So you're saying all those players are paying the 9k yearly tuition on their own
Public schools can't waive tuition costs like private schools can. Or allow 'work study'. You have to actually pay to attend even if you're an athlete.
I believe you to be correct you don't have to belong to any district, in fact I know of kids who live in certain districts but attend others and play sports there also it happens even in public schools for whatever reason. However Let's say the same Scenario, but let's say Public school A hires Public school B's junior high football coach to be there next high school coach. He knows there is a great 8th grade class coming up in Public B so he would like 9 of them boys to follow him knowing they will play only for him next year, he even tells the administration in the interview, listen these boys will come play for me if you hire me, but they don't have a lot of money what sort of scholarship can your booster club offer them to come here? Public School A says we cannot offer a scholarship they will have to pay normal out of district tuition as all normal kids do. Public A still hires coach just 4 kids follow, but Public B checks the box they moved for athletic reason MSHSAA sides with Public B kids are ruled ineligible for that year they move back to their regular district. End of story.
But now lets say Public A is now a Private school. Same thing goes on except now Private A's administration agrees that they will pay for all those kids tuition and goes ahead and hires Public B's Junior high coach. 9 boys follow all of them on full ride scholarship.Public B checks the box Private says they left for safety reason MSHSAA says okay whatever. Somethings are said Public B refuses to play the private school, the new private school coach interviews because he is upset about things being said and schools not playing him....says hey people don't know those kids were going to play for me no matter were I went. MSHSAA continues to turn a blind Private school fan or coach comes on the local sports board going whatever you are all just haters, we are doing nothing wrong blah blah blah. Rules are all good and they apply equally which we all know they don't.
Case closed.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, legally, you have to prove residence in a public school district to attend there or pay the tuition or fall under an exception(parent works in another district, etc.). Again, legally, if you don't meet one of those requirements you aren't allowed to attend a school, as far as I know. I know there are people who don't follow this rule or they find loopholes and have a family member that they claim residence with, etc. but those people are exceptions to the rule.
So, your argument is that "just because Trinity and Lutheran North followed MSHSAA's rules it doesn't mean that the schools aren't still breaking those rules."? Whatever, man.
You don't like it. I get that and I'm sure it sucks for you to have to feel that way about it.
You're having a very hard time understanding this......
I don't know about ANYONE'S family finances and neither do you. Who pays YOUR bills? MSHSAA has rules and a process they use to verify compliance with those rules. You can choose to accept it or you can choose to believe there's a conspiracy to hide it. What I'M saying is that your feelings don't matter any more than MINE do.
You're right. Public schools and private schools are different from one another and MSHSAA's rules governing them aren't the same.
Families are required to maintain legal residency within the boundaries of the public school district they want their kids to attend. Some districts have gone as far as hiring investigators to follow families to determine they actually reside at a specific address. Normally, all that's required is documentation of utility bills, lease agreements, etc to establish residency for educational purposes. Falsifying ones residence is not rampant but it is not a rare occurrence.
I have heard from some people who work in the school system that WC admin is planning an audit/investigation or some kind of crack down because they have so many suspected out of district kids in their schools now. Using fake addresses, most likely relatives or various other methods. I know it happens because I know some people who are doing it right now. Part of the districts concern is overcrowding, but I think it's mainly because of money.
What I have never understood....if it's really that important to someone to have their kids in a Webb City school, why don't they just move? It's not like it's unusually difficult or expensive to buy or rent a home there vs anywhere else. If anything, it's cheaper than CJ or Carthage. There are about 10,000 of those cardboard Shuber Mitchell homes.
There are families with one parent living in a school district and the other parent residing in another district. The kid can attend either school, provided a parent lives within the district. It costs schools time and money to investigate and verify residences, which is why they only do it when a red flag is raised or its a random check. The most common means of falsification is to use the address of a relative. MSHSAA doesn't get involved to the point of verifying addresses to confirm residency. They rely on the schools to do it. How willing do you think a public school would be to notify MSHSAA that they have an ineligible student that's played for them all year, and voiding every game the kid played in after the fact?
I am surprised Carthage or CJ would lose kids to Webb or would lose that many? Carthage has a very nice high school and they probable have one of the Best Football stadiums around now. CJ has newer schools that are really nice, but the football facility is really just okay for being a class 4 school.
It's not that surprising, but it is disappointing just from the standpoint of wishing these best kids had stayed and continued to play in high school with the kids they grew up with. There's almost always a really good athlete (or sometimes more than one) who went to CJ when they were younger and wound up starting for Webb City in HS. Thing is, Webb City is so deep you begin to understand that if "Johnny" hadn't switched to Webb, the Cardinals would just have another kid in his spot of similar talent. But CJ could've used that talent.
I think they switch schools for different reasons. I still would say the #1 reason would be for the annual chance to go all the way. Winning is what most competitors desire, and just about every Webb football player graduates with a letter jacket that displays at least one state championship patch.
None. Trinity hadn't even won their District until last year. They aren't a traditional powerhouse and have only been winning to any significant degree since last year. The focus on them is likely fueled by the attention a good number of their players have gotten from colleges offering scholarships and the fact that they're a private school ... which attracts all of the public school fans that feel that public schools are treated unfairly.
I suspect Joplin is where more of them come from, but they come from everywhere. Most people from CJ or Carthage have no interest in moving to Webb City for any reason. But there are some that want to to follow their kid on a state championship team enough that they will move so they can join the club. I know two families that left Carthage specifically because they wanted their kids to play Webb City sports. I also randomly overheard in public awhile back, a high a school age kid telling someone I knew to be a teacher at Carthage something to the effect of "don't hate me but I'm moving to play football for Webb City next year".
LOL. I actually love all this. Reminds me of the left the night Donald Trump won the election.
I'm sure you never heard anyone whining about rules and documentation and the legitimacy of something that happened that they couldn't bear the thought of being real before this thread reminded you of it.
It's very possible that I'm just slow, but I don't get it...
Please don't ever let this thread end. I may pop some popcorn tonight and set and reread the entire thread.
Oddly enough. There seem to be people getting all upset with crusader_2. There are certainly differences of opinions. I have to applaud his (I assume, he) tenacity. We might even have differing opinions, but, based on his replies, I'd party with that dude.
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