when are School Administrators going to figure out they need to lock the doors
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Going to school in the 80's I saw more fire power in the parking lot hanging on gun racks in unlocked pickup trucks than I have ever seen at school today. hell I saw kids carring in guns accross campus to show teachers when hunting season rolled around and never thought anything about it. I grew up when there was no such thing as a gun safe, you just kept it either hanging over the mantel or propped up by the door. I remember going to the movie drive in and seeing kids showing guns sitting on the back of pickups and never thought anything about it.
In life time sports we all were given a shotgun and we drove out to the target range, We even had deer rifles so we could learn how to shoot took them to a target range, only one really old teacher went with us.
We had more access to guns on the school campus than kids today, yet you never heard of a shooting? Yes today guns are more powerful, but they also have locked down schools you are not allowed to even have a pocket knife on campus.
So I ask what has changed? It's not the guns, it's us as a society and how we raise our kids.
In life time sports we all were given a shotgun and we drove out to the target range, We even had deer rifles so we could learn how to shoot took them to a target range, only one really old teacher went with us.
We had more access to guns on the school campus than kids today, yet you never heard of a shooting? Yes today guns are more powerful, but they also have locked down schools you are not allowed to even have a pocket knife on campus.
So I ask what has changed? It's not the guns, it's us as a society and how we raise our kids.
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No teenagers had access to AR-15s and large magazines when I was in school. It AINT the same. People didn’t even imagine that everyday citizens would own weapons of war in my childhood. We owned shotguns, hunting rifles and maybe a revolver.
If anyone wanted to be a soldier, they enlisted. They didnt play neighborhood tough guy. There were fistfights down at the bowling alley or at Keen’s tavern and it didn’t resort in someone grabbing a semi-automatic weapon from their car because there weren’t 100 million of them available.
The gun culture is what is different. Note, the word gun.
I have NEVER seen an AR-15 on a military installation much less an actual battlefield.
do you not realize the gov is giving away refurbished 30-06 M1 Garand's t the CMP to be sold to the general public with an emphasis on getting youth involved in the shooting sports?? That's a REAL assault weapon lol
I’ll take the general’s words over your consistently absurd viewpoints, Rambo.
have you EVER seen an AR15 in the hands of any soldier???
And thats John J. to you
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This is Groundhog Day. We have had these discussions over and over. You are one of the gun nuts. You are an extremist. You are out of touch with common people. You think everyone should think your way. They don’t. I posted what the general said. You read it. You understood his point. You hate losing. I get it. You lost. He warned us about you gun safety opponents in the very post I made. Give it up.
I am not a gun safety opponent. My 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb operated slide safety. You would have to be an idiot to carry one locked and loaded IWB without a safety. Thats why I dont care for Glocks, that trigger bar safety system they have is just asking to blow a hole in your leg
It's pretty simple as to what has changed:
Respect.
Whose fault and exactly when I'm not sure.
We could all have guns in our trucks because we were taught to respect both the weapon and the people around us. That guy in uvalde didn't respect life. He probably never got backhanded by his dad for cursing in front of mom. He probably didn't get beat up in school for mouthing the wrong person. Who knows why but something wasn't taught to him.
Times have changed since that respect isn't shown much of anywhere anymore. Look at these boards. This one is actually really tame compared to some. (and to be fair I do my share of giving it out). The problem is some people actually BELIEVE the incredible and stupid things they see/read and it affects them. We didn't do a very good job of training people to spot falsehoods .
I'd say certain drugs (there weren't many 'mass shootings' prior to some of these antidepressants being available) as being a partial cause. A huge number of the incidents have these involved.
Saw that average age of perp was 32ish? These are usually middle aged white guys mad at the world. Had some antidepressants tossed at them when wifey left and took everything. What could go wrong?
We aren't going to and shouldn't get rid of 'all guns'. That is just a knee jerk reaction the gun nuts use to get things heated. That said, there has to be some common sense reform not just in ammo and gun availability but how we teach and discipline our young people so they don't grow up and turn into these monsters.
And we have a winner!!! It's society but you cannot convince others that is the case.
Generals are not Infantry or see combat and are more CEO's/Politicians than actual Warriors. I can repost the video of a Actual Soldier ripping apart a General's lack of Gun skills or knowledge if I need to on the very rifle they use !!! You keep believing the BS if you want.
You don't understand that Pro 2A don't care or want to stop how you think ....the Point is you want your way of thinking and believing to infringe on MY and Other rights that are endowed by the Constitution.
They General was wrong and that is not shocking to People who are Infantry.....a General is a POG ....they know very little about combat, weapons and equipment operation, other than how to make bank on contracts they grift off of. But that is a whole other issue....
What the HECK a actual legit and well thought out Post by Veer2E!!!!!!
I agree with most of your post.....the abuse of street drugs and then mixed with prescription drugs can be correlated to many ills in society. Add in that a lot of mass shooters tend to have isolated personalities with limited social networks ie...the break down of family structures.
You can even factor in the change in the educational experience of schools on this demographic, the change from a more hands on approach of teaching to a more verbal style has clearly had a effect on the aforementioned demographic. As the Female Gender began to dominate the Teaching field and Males Teachers become a rarity it is no surprise that the more at risk male students didn't get the proper training in respect.
From a more hands on to more verbal. Please stop thinking you know everything. That is the exact opposite of what has happened the last 25 years.
Literally no one lectures for long periods of time like they did decades ago. The only lecture that takes place now is to set up your hands on or cooperative learning activity. He knows nothing.
As further proof that the army believes the 5.56 nato round is not effective the military over the next 10 years is replacing the M4 weapon platform with the new Sig Saur XM5 and 6.8mm round. The .223 round fired in the M4/AR15 is severely underpowered for todays battle environment. Truth be told the .223 is wimpy
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How Boys' Learning Styles Differ (and How We Can Support Them) - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog
Andrea Schneider, LCSW - It's no secret that boys are wired a bit differently than girls. We must do more to acknowledge these neurological differences and identify ways to support boys' learning styles.
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Why Boys Aren’t Learning
This article is from the TEACH archives, some information may no longer be current. By Susan Murray The concept that boys and girls learn differently is not new. Often, what a student naturally enjoys or is inclined ...
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Study explores why boys are falling behind girls in school
Thirty years ago, boys, not girls, were the high performers in schools. Today, test scores, grades and dropout rates show boys are achieving at levels far below girls, and an international study that includes the University of Florida is yielding insights that may explain why.
It is known that males have more Grey matter and learn better through tasks and project focus as opposed to multitasking. Boys brains operate with 15% less blood flow they learn better without multitasking. And I could list a whole host of other Differences on how the Male brain works compared to girls.
I have no idea what type of curriculum your district enacts but according to our on site Masters/PHD level educators public schools have moved toward a teaching style that does not benefit the male gender. A style that benefits the female gender and is based on more verbal and multitasking styles.
I'm not making this stuff up out of thin air.
So some PhDs wanted to sell their book and make big coin giving workshops and lectures on their “findings”. If you work in education for three decades you will experience this BS over and over. Back in the 80s in corporate America we called this “management by bestseller”. It hit the education world in the 90s.How Boys' Learning Styles Differ (and How We Can Support Them) - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog
Andrea Schneider, LCSW - It's no secret that boys are wired a bit differently than girls. We must do more to acknowledge these neurological differences and identify ways to support boys' learning styles.
Why Boys Aren’t Learning
This article is from the TEACH archives, some information may no longer be current. By Susan Murray The concept that boys and girls learn differently is not new. Often, what a student naturally enjoys or is inclined ...
Study explores why boys are falling behind girls in school
Thirty years ago, boys, not girls, were the high performers in schools. Today, test scores, grades and dropout rates show boys are achieving at levels far below girls, and an international study that includes the University of Florida is yielding insights that may explain why.phys.org
It is known that males have more Grey matter and learn better through tasks and project focus as opposed to multitasking. Boys brains operate with 15% less blood flow they learn better without multitasking. And I could list a whole host of other Differences on how the Male brain works compared to girls.
I have no idea what type of curriculum your district enacts but according to our on site Masters/PHD level educators public schools have moved toward a teaching style that does not benefit the male gender. A style that benefits the female gender and is based on more verbal and multitasking styles.
I'm not making this stuff up out of thin air.
I can’t get rich teaching. Let’s come up with something somewhat controversial, throw together some bogus research numbers and tell the academics we are changing the world. We will hit the PD circuit in time for next school year!!! I bet they presented the data with some cool Venn diagrams.
Definitely got people's attention with the boys arent' learning crap. We can't let women learn more.
The amount of money spent on project lead the way and other programs to be more hands-on is ridiculous, but what do I know I am only up to 27 years in education.
Just a few to go.
The amount of money spent on project lead the way and other programs to be more hands-on is ridiculous, but what do I know I am only up to 27 years in education.
Just a few to go.
"It is known that males have more Grey matter and learn better through tasks and project focus as opposed to multitasking. Boys brains operate with 15% less blood flow they learn better without multitasking. And I could list a whole host of other Differences on how the Male brain works compared to girls."
This is so ridiculous. I truly hope you are not in a position of authority.
This is so ridiculous. I truly hope you are not in a position of authority.
Intelligence in men and women is a gray and white matter
While there are essentially no disparities in general intelligence between the sexes, a new study has found significant differences in brain areas where males and females manifest their intelligence.
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I think it's sort of funny that you don't even have a basic junior high level understanding of Brain Biology.
And I see that Expect2win and Toots agree with you with their cute thumbs up's...It's obvious that you all are teachers and this clearly reflects on the level of intellect that resides in public education.
My statement you quoted as inaccurate is backed up by decades of research and science. Maybe if you actual worked in the field you'd be a bit more versed in the subject... as opposed to doing what ever it is you do for a living if your not a teacher.
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OH so I get it all the scientific studies and research done by Neurological centers and Psychological facilities by PHD's over decades is some corporate scam to get rich!
I mean actually adhering to protocol and data in peer reviewed research is all bogus. Gotcha.
That's not the point at all of the studies, if you truly believe the point was/is to try and stop the female gender from learning you missed the whole function of the research. Although I'm not surprised that a person with decades in education can't comprehend scientific studies not shocked in the least.Definitely got people's attention with the boys arent' learning crap. We can't let women learn more.
The amount of money spent on project lead the way and other programs to be more hands-on is ridiculous, but what do I know I am only up to 27 years in education.
For such a great mental health professional, you really struggle with simple hyperbolic statements. But it's great to see that you can read a couple of journal articles and become the expert on education.
We take education at our facility seriously ...we are well versed and trained in a myriad of educational techniques and programs supplemented with on going training and education to all staff to deal with a whole host of issues and diagnosis. We deal with the Educational failures and inadequacy of public educators daily to put it bluntly.
While public educators deal with the failures of mental health professionals in the form of bullets?
Wrong we have zero power to deny individuals their basic rights or to enforce laws on the books. But you knew that. There are plenty of mental health fails and I could list a ton of them. But Shootings are not on us the limited time spent with high risk patients for various reasons and the lack of taking mental health recommendations serious by those who do have the power are the root cause.
Obviously. I just thought I’d try out ridiculous hyperbole that stereotypes an entire profession that I have no clue about, too, just to see what happens..
Jeez I got that he was trying to make analogy to my post being like his hyperbolic post ....you clearly didn't get my point either. That some of what he posted had truth to it. I won't deny it.....unlike those in the educational profession who often deny their deficiency as professionals and tend to blame all the outside sources as 100% the reason for the decline of the educational system.
Who is in charge of a child's education and/or what % is responsible?
AKA is it 100% school? 50/50 parent school? 33/33/33 kid/school/parent?
How often, in any profession, does someone who is deficient not only know that they are deficient, but also admit it? Humans aren’t terribly reflective in that regard as we are all the heroes of our own stories. Having said that, though, I will say I know several teachers who have admitted as much. Any guess which subject they all teach?
History? Psych? and people are not self reflective. We have the capacity to analyze others and not even notice the same traits in ourselves and if they are pointed out people then get defensive and deny those traits.
I throw people off guard because I will often self diagnosis my self to them. Telling them I know I'm blunt, straightforward, resolute in my analysis and diagnostic skill set based on data and have a track record of hardly being wrong, and thus I come off as abrasive and to self assured. But with that being said I'm sort of like caviar people tend to either Love me or Hate me .
But People who have work with me for any length of time are loyal to me to a fault and some of my early greatest detractors become my greatest allies once they see that my Blunt force trauma approach to dealing with mental problems is a wiser course of action and more successful than the molly cuddling, lying and excuse making that seems to be the Norm in todays psych professionals who tend to want to blame everyone but the person who is actually in control of their own behavior.
If you think that in general I'm proud of the work my profession does as a whole you are in error. Some are good people who just won't make waves and buck the system, and others actually are simple minded and think the current system is the proper course of action and will eventually pay dividends. As you can see the data doesn't bear that out at all.
I throw people off guard because I will often self diagnosis my self to them. Telling them I know I'm blunt, straightforward, resolute in my analysis and diagnostic skill set based on data and have a track record of hardly being wrong, and thus I come off as abrasive and to self assured. But with that being said I'm sort of like caviar people tend to either Love me or Hate me .
But People who have work with me for any length of time are loyal to me to a fault and some of my early greatest detractors become my greatest allies once they see that my Blunt force trauma approach to dealing with mental problems is a wiser course of action and more successful than the molly cuddling, lying and excuse making that seems to be the Norm in todays psych professionals who tend to want to blame everyone but the person who is actually in control of their own behavior.
If you think that in general I'm proud of the work my profession does as a whole you are in error. Some are good people who just won't make waves and buck the system, and others actually are simple minded and think the current system is the proper course of action and will eventually pay dividends. As you can see the data doesn't bear that out at all.
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I've said on here multiple times that Parents are a huge part of the problem and issue and that is often reflected in the student. And the issue is obviously complex and unique to each student, parent, teacher, school district and school within that district around the nation.
I think you are missing the crux of the issue that a lot of parents and the public have with the current teaching in some schools and in some districts. The issue is that a lot of schools and teachers now want to be in the value and ethics business....interjecting their own political bias, beliefs and view points into the curriculum for the greater good.
Even if that is not the Norm in most schools it happens enough and in enough communities that it upsets parents and causes a disruptions. And is a pox upon the profession and that view point of the profession is becoming the norm that teachers are more interested in being activist, spewing CRT, Climate Change, Capitalism is bad BS and other fringe stuff than actually educating kids on the core subjects.
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