I agree with that....but those are open for debate clearly, but the 2A isn't because it's spelled out in plain English.
when are School Administrators going to figure out they need to lock the doors
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You are acting like a AR15 is so powerful, it's not. It is a effective weapon but it's not a scary powerful caliber. The Armed services have been looking to replace it for years, before the .223 was the norm the Military used 30 caliber and 7.62mm rounds.
The Idea behind this platform is firing more accurate rounds because of the light weight of the gun and less recoil do to the lighter round. But in truth in places like the Afghan region the weapon has performed in a subpar manner. It lacks the range and killing power of bigger rounds.
Ban AR15 and crazy motivated people will just modify a 30.06 mag and extend it easily which is a bigger caliber or do the same to other Guns to do the Job. They buy the AR15 simply because it is the most popular rifle in America.
18 yr old's can purchase car's, houses, get married, and be drafted. You can get a private pilots license at 17 yrs old. What legit reason can you give for a adult not to be able to have the Right to bear arms and protect themselves? And nothing protects better for home defense in most cases than a AR15.
I get you can throw out another bogus what Does the NRA want to lower the Age of purchasing firearms to include those who are not adults but clearly that is just hyperbole.
AR-15 is an excellent weapon, lightweight, low recoil, easy to learn to use. The .223 round is substandard by all measures. You want the mother of all assault weapons buy an M1 Garand , 30-06 has over twice the muzzle energy of an AR-15 and it holds under 10 rounds and doesn't even have a detachable magazine
Once again talk to the doctors and they'll tell how destructive they are to the human body. Why is that so hard for you understand?
Because it's a small .22 caliber cartridge that is wimpy compared to almost ALL hunting calibers. The popular 30-06 has almost 2 1/2 times the muzzle energy of a .223,,,,,,even the venerable old 30-30 deer cartridge has almost twice the muzzle energy of an AR-15
that is actually one of the reasons they are popular with entry level shooters. The small caliber gas operated weapon has almost no recoil compared to standard rifle rounds.
Muzzle Energy is a factor of bullet weight and velocity that is generally used as a gauge of a cartridges knockdown power.
google the data for a .223,,, .270,,,30-30,,,30-06,,,and my all time favorite the.300 Weatherby Magnum and LEARN
I've never said they where not destructive to the human body....there are a lot of more destructive caliber's out there is my point. You don't seem to understand that.
So you are getting and backing up your ideas from a Euro trash leftist who wants to disarm America like Europe has done.
But let's quickly tear apart this Comedian with a biased fantasy show....apart
He blamed guns..not the individual which is his first error. And a Lie. NO gun has ever walked into a place and with malice attached another creature.
Gun laws are ineffective this tragedy proves it. We have thousands of Gun laws on the books....they can't be enforced and they don't stop gun violence from those who flaunt the law.
Why would schools need a Psychologist or Social worker at a school? That is a laughable and ludicrous comparison to having 58% of schools having a LEO on campus once a week which is the stat he put forth....which is not that impressive ONCE A WEEK! How hard would it be for a criminal to case the day's he wasn't on campus!!
There are 50 million Public schools students in America ...and 14 million don't have one of the following Nurse, Counselor, Psychologist or Social Worker...That means that 36 million do have access to a lot of resources most of the time.
He is wrong in the fallacy that gun laws will stop school shootings...if LEO are not a deterrent then why would gun laws stop school shootings. HIs disingenuous idea that LEO attract Shooters says it all about his COMIC analysis without any actual merit.
I find it strange that one minute he is touting up how LEO are a great asset at some schools and then quickly dives back into how LEO hinder at other schools because they are stopping criminal activity.....and then throws out some absurd situations that are clearly outside the norm as proof. Random incidents that occur are not what policy should be based on.
Siting specific incidents from specific area's and regions does not represent a national trend or problem. I clearly understand if you are trying to use these outlier happenings as propaganda then of course you fashion a segment like this but he was spewing nothing that was relevant to School shootings or violence with guns.
I guess if people get their news from satire comedic writing teams and tune in to comedy shows that is their business but it's so full of holes and so slanted and biased it's beyond the pale.
The one thing he didn't do is Prove that gun laws work, that LEO cause more school shootings as he claimed. Or that banning certain weapons will stop People from obtaining those weapons and using them.
I was happy that finally at around the 19min. mark he played the RACE CARD against LEO, I was wondering if his team of left wingers had forgotten to consult the playbook of propaganda. I was relieved he Couldn't leave that Dog whistle in his pocket ....finally then he went on to champion removing LEO from campus so of course he could tout up GUN CONTROL as the only reasonable solution coupled with more Nurses, Social Workers, Psychologist's and Counselors as the only Answer in keeping kids safe LOL that is so stupid its clearly is satire to a sane person...
His last statement was so demeaning to LEO that I won't repeat it, but I can promise you this that none of the professions he mentioned or more gun control will stop bad guys from doing bad things.
I understand it is the weapon of choice for nearly all the mass shootings for quite a while now and it tears people up.
Out of over 10,000 killed by a murderer using a gun, less than 500 was a rifle of any kind. I would guess the Ar-15 firing a .223 was probably responsible for maybe half of those???
250 people killed with a .223 is statistically insignificant
No life is insignificant. And once again for the 1,000th time, It’s not just about the deaths. It’s their families, survivors, and everyone else terrorized throughout the country. If it wasn’t significant we wouldn’t have 40 threads on this board about it right now.
It's the most popular rifle in America and the narrative is that this is the Weapon to use in the infrequent and rare mass shootings. Back in the 70's and 80's it was the Saturday night special that was used as the weapon of choice do to it's notoriety.
You don't infringe on rights because people are traumatized, simple as that. It's called life. Nobody said life was insignificant but you can't make laws and rules based on statistical zero outcomes.
We only have 40 threads on this because Emotional people with bent idea's think and believe that over reaching laws and regulations will some how stop crazy people in a Constitutional Republic.
The 2nd Amendment is certainly spelled out, but I’d revise “plain English” to “not particularly well-phrased English.” Its grammatical but still odd phrasing is a product of the compromise between a couple groups during its writing and debate.
the 2A addresses to completely separate issues. The first is the right of each independent state to have the authority to have their owned arm force. The second part of the amendment addresses the right of every citizen to own and carry firearms without infringement of any kind. Its very clear
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
A well regulated Militia---not a govt entity but a force made up of free and armed citizens
being necessary to the security of a free state----so armed citizens cannot be oppressed by a govt entity
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms----Free Citizens shall have the right to Arms/Ammo
shall not be infringed-----the govt/law shall not stop or hinder free citizens from having Access to the weapons and ammo of their choice.
It's not complicated but it is very Scary to supporters of Fascist/Commie/Authoritarian/Totalitarian belief systems, because it puts up massive roadblocks for that type of take over that type of destruction of a free Republic is easier if the govt is the only entity that has access to weapons.
being necessary to the security of a free state----so armed citizens cannot be oppressed by a govt entity
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms----Free Citizens shall have the right to Arms/Ammo
shall not be infringed-----the govt/law shall not stop or hinder free citizens from having Access to the weapons and ammo of their choice.
It's not complicated but it is very Scary to supporters of Fascist/Commie/Authoritarian/Totalitarian belief systems, because it puts up massive roadblocks for that type of take over that type of destruction of a free Republic is easier if the govt is the only entity that has access to weapons.
Wow. The whole defense I have heard on news and read on here has been mental health crisis. When I posted the story that it is a shame there is a grant for tearing down schools where these tragedies occur, your argument was that these kids need to learn to deal with tragedy.
Now you want to complain that schools have psychologists and social workers to help with those specific complaints, and you still find a way to be dismissive of the one solution to the two main complaints you have. He did prove with a study that SROs don't prevent school shootings.
I am really surprised that you would have an issue with psychologists and social workers being in the school. I would have thought you could agree with him on that.
As for proving gun laws work, how many countries do we have to see have a tragedy and pass a sweeping bill that changes the culture of that country and tragedies rarely happen again?
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The U.S. Congress has acted to restrict various weapons including specific firearms and ammunition. Rockets, mortars and ammunition over . 50 caliber size cannot be sold or legally possessed by civilians.
Hmmmm apparently there are already laws banning certain types of firearms. Who wouldda thunk it??
I sure wanted one of those .55 calibers to mount on the back of my pick up.
Hmmmm apparently there are already laws banning certain types of firearms. Who wouldda thunk it??
I sure wanted one of those .55 calibers to mount on the back of my pick up.
Did you know that marines, at least privates thru sergeants cannot keep their personal firearms in their barracks on base? They have to check them in and have them stored by authorized personnel.
If it were very clear, perhaps the debate over the various interpretations wouldn’t exist. Except it does. The current interpretations through case law are not set in stone, as you know.
We do have a mental health crisis in that we don't deal with identified problem people who have issues....I can promise you that Social Workers are not part of the solution, they tend to be enablers. As far as having Psychologist at school locations. Out patient therapy is what is needed. A Psychologist in a School setting on the surface looks good but it can often become a distraction with attention seeking personalities eating up the precious time with bogus issues and complaints, while the truly mentally needy often would slip under the radar.
Most legit studies are inconclusive on if LEO/SRO reduce crime or deter Mass shootings on school property. He was being biased and slanted. That is why he focused so much on the cost of SRO.
If you want to pass laws like most Countries and confiscate and ban the owning of weapons sure mass shootings will go down....but as was stated in those countries other forms of violence just replace the guns. I pointed out how in Brazil and a few other countries that their Knife deaths is close to our Gun deaths numbers. Then when you factor in the Lives that Guns per the CDC study and why would we want to mimic other countries?
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Making a atomic device might be a bit harder so that is really a BS argument.
And many feel those laws are not Constitutional.....
I've shot a couple of 50 cal AR15's they got a moderate kick.
Not sure what your point is? Those are Marine Reg's for doing their jobs and living in Marine supplied housing. I can't carry my weapon to my work either. Do Marines once they are done with basic training and and get their job assignments and don't live in Barrick settings have to turn in their personal weapons? Nope they do not.
The clear fact that you can't make the distinction between Military personal living on a Govt base in a Barracks setting that open and unlocked and a People who live on and in their own property is scary. You are a true fascist who has no issue with the govt deciding how people should keep and store their own property and possessions.
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Making a atomic device might be a bit harder so that is really a BS argument.
Atomics legally? You can't, nitwit.
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All explosives fall under the jurisdiction of the BATF, not sure anyone has ever bothered to codify private ownership of a nuclear device. DOD over the years has lost 6 nuclear devices, someday one of those is going to show up in private hands
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So you're saying i'm right. I can't legally own an operable tank.
Thanks for the confirmation.
You can obtain a Federal Destructive Device permit and own a working and fully operational tank it's rare but not unheard off.
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I never said you can own Nukes legally. I said that was a BS argument....
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