Shot Clock

[Baldoldman]

Welp. It’s not coming.

“Executive Director


RE: Shot Clock survey results & S/Q Info


Shot Clock Survey. - member schools were asked to vote on. As of now, as the results show, the majority (67%) of all classes are not in favor, therefore a shot clock will not be implemented in the near future.”

 

[TadQueasy]

Key there is what does "near" future mean?

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Key there is what does "near" future mean?

Probably means no shot clock for at least the next 3-5 years

 

[MoSooner69]

Good News

 

[dtowner]

Others have mentioned this, but if you add a shot clock you almost certainly add another person to the table. I have worked tables for over 10 years, and it is getting hard to find people who want to work the table for the games we have now. If you add another person for every girls and boys game, all day tournaments, etc. ADs are going to be pulling out some hair. I don't think it's a minor consideration.

To echo another point made earlier, I don't know that too many possessions take more than 35 seconds anyway. Most good teams can get a good look before then and most bad teams can't hold onto it that long.

 

[MoSooner69]

Did a couple of games in Arkansas earlier this week. And really there wasnt alot of difference. There were a couple of shot clock violations in the first quarter of game one, but none the rest of the way.


The vote really wasnt close, I would say its going to be a while.......

 

[TadQueasy]

Ultimately, I do not really care. I would prefer a shot clock, but I am not going to lose any sleep over it failing. But the reason it failed by such a margin is because only the Sup or a Principal could cast the vote for each school. They do not want to spend money on it or are worried about having someone else at the table.

 

[MoSooner69]

a legit concern

 

[TadQueasy]

a legit concern

It seems to go just fine in other places. Been to some games in Arkansas this past month and they seem to be making it even in small schools.

 

[TadQueasy]

And step 1 in it coming full time.

As we told you guys it is coming, just a matter of when

MSHSAA approves shot clock use for regular season varsity tournaments and shootouts

Share on Facebook Share on Twitter The Missouri State High School Activities Association (MSHSAA) Board of Directors has approved the allowance for a 35-second shot clock for specific varsity events. The decision came at the MSHSAA board

www.ozarkssportszone.com

 

[Comeagle]

I am glad to see it.

 

[SWMOhardwood]

Finally

 

[Stryk3]

Others have mentioned this, but if you add a shot clock you almost certainly add another person to the table. I have worked tables for over 10 years, and it is getting hard to find people who want to work the table for the games we have now. If you add another person for every girls and boys game, all day tournaments, etc. ADs are going to be pulling out some hair. I don't think it's a minor consideration.

To echo another point made earlier, I don't know that too many possessions take more than 35 seconds anyway. Most good teams can get a good look before then and most bad teams can't hold onto it that long.

I hear ya. Schools will need to get creative. I have seen where many schools are offering students pay to help help run clocks at sporting events. Its a great idea as long as the kid is trustworthy.

 

[MoSooner69]

So is this a way to get it in when the majority do not want it? Hope it sticks to those few tournaments but not sure it will.

 

[TadQueasy]

So is this a way to get it in when the majority do not want it? Hope it sticks to those few tournaments but not sure it will.

No way it stays with only a few tournaments. This is definitely the way they get this done with Admin being against it. Coaches as a whole want it. No matter what the response is over the next couple years the state will say it has been well received and push on to do what they want. The state is going to do what the state wants and the writing as been on the wall for awhile on this.

 

[nwlions]

No way it stays with only a few tournaments. This is definitely the way they get this done with Admin being against it. Coaches as a whole want it. No matter what the response is over the next couple years the state will say it has been well received and push on to do what they want. The state is going to do what the state wants and the writing as been on the wall for awhile on this.

On a MSHSAA podcast this week, the executive director said it would cost $8000 to install a shot clock, not counting the cost of hiring people to run it. With so many schools financially struggling to the point of four-day weeks, where does the money come from?

 

[TadQueasy]

On a MSHSAA podcast this week, the executive director said it would cost $8000 to install a shot clock, not counting the cost of hiring people to run it. With so many schools financially struggling to the point of four-day weeks, where does the money come from?

Clearly some of the smaller schools will have some issues. But as we have talked about before 8,000 in the big picture of a schools budget is not really that much for a one time purchase. Schools waste money on all kinds of things. They will make it work. The bigger issue IMO is having to find workers to be at the table. I know some schools already struggle to keep the table staffed and now they will need an additional person.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

On a MSHSAA podcast this week, the executive director said it would cost $8000 to install a shot clock, not counting the cost of hiring people to run it. With so many schools financially struggling to the point of four-day weeks, where does the money come from?

For the ones going to 4 day school weeks, there is the money they saved to buy the shot clocks. If that does not work, ask your nearest private school to donate the money for the clocks.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

No way it stays with only a few tournaments. This is definitely the way they get this done with Admin being against it. Coaches as a whole want it. No matter what the response is over the next couple years the state will say it has been well received and push on to do what they want. The state is going to do what the state wants and the writing as been on the wall for awhile on this.

Sounds like the coaches on the advisory committee want it. I don't think the 'coaches as a whole' do. This is just MSHSAA doing what MSHSAA do.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

For the ones going to 4 day school weeks, there is the money they saved to buy the shot clocks. If that does not work, ask your nearest private school to donate the money for the clocks.

Ask MICDS if they have anyone to run a shot clock for 2 and a half quarters. I bet they do.

 

[TadQueasy]

Sounds like the coaches on the advisory committee want it. I don't think the 'coaches as a whole' do. This is just MSHSAA doing what MSHSAA do.

I maybe mistaken on this but wasn't there a survey done by MSHSAA where the Admin was against it and the coaches were in favor of it?

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Ask MICDS if they have anyone to run a shot clock for 2 and a half quarters. I bet they do.

That would be a play clock... not a shot clock

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

That would be a play clock... not a shot clock

I am aware, I adjusted the terminology since this is the basketball forum 🤣

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

I am aware, I adjusted the terminology since this is the basketball forum 🤣

you really confuse the likes of Bosko when you do that though

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

you really confuse the likes of Bosko when you do that though

Bosko gets confused when they offer veggies as a side dish

 

[TadQueasy]

veggies as a side dish? There is no place for that type of negativity around here!!

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

veggies as a side dish? There is no place for that type of negativity around here!!

I knew Bosko had multiple accounts. Gotcha

 

[MoSooner69]

The $8000 is you have a system that is already compatible to add the shot clock. If not, the cost will be quite a bit more. What still gets me is that this is even a discussion after it was voted down by a good margin.

 

[TadQueasy]

I knew Bosko had multiple accounts. Gotcha

Only in Boskos dreams am I an account of his.

 

[TadQueasy]

The $8000 is you have a system that is already compatible to add the shot clock. If not, the cost will be quite a bit more. What still gets me is that this is even a discussion after it was voted down by a good margin.

We tried to tell you. MSHSAA was doing this. The vote was meaningless.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Only in Boskos dreams am I an account of his.

You can a-count that he has 550 jelly rolls in that waist line!

 

[RockChalk97]

Word on the street is that the B&G Tournament won't be using the shot clock for the BIGGEST tournament in our state. All teams must agree for it to be used and the one and only Hartville said NO.

Also, seems like a wasted expense for 2024 season if a school only hosts 1 tournament. Let's say an early December tournament hosts and teams play 3 games for an $8-10,000 expense?

Why not make Class 5-6 schools use it as a trial run?

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Word on the street is that the B&G Tournament won't be using the shot clock for the BIGGEST tournament in our state. All teams must agree for it to be used and the one and only Hartville said NO.

Also, seems like a wasted expense for 2024 season if a school only hosts 1 tournament. Let's say an early December tournament hosts and teams play 3 games for an $8-10,000 expense?

Why not make Class 5-6 schools use it as a trial run?

 

[TadQueasy]

I think Arkansas started with highest classes and worked down. Would be pretty smart move. But MSHSAA and smart do not go together. I would say within 3-5 years it will be mandatory for everyone.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Word on the street is that the B&G Tournament won't be using the shot clock for the BIGGEST tournament in our state. All teams must agree for it to be used and the one and only Hartville said NO.

Also, seems like a wasted expense for 2024 season if a school only hosts 1 tournament. Let's say an early December tournament hosts and teams play 3 games for an $8-10,000 expense?

Why not make Class 5-6 schools use it as a trial run?

That's believable. And pretty darned funny too.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

That's believable. And pretty darned funny too.

Not shocked that a team that probably holds the ball more than any other team in the state (when the game is close) was against the shot clock.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

That's believable. And pretty darned funny too.

Good luck coming back next year!

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Good luck coming back next year!

I can't imagine Hartville not getting invited back to the B&G. A lot of tradition and about 1/2 to 3/4 of the town shows up for it.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

I can't imagine Hartville not getting invited back to the B&G. A lot of tradition and about 1/2 to 3/4 of the town shows up for it.

YEs but will other schools drop because of the lack of shot clock

 

[wahoolives]

YEs but will other schools drop because of the lack of shot clock

I don't think it is going to matter. Within 3 years the shot clock will be a part of it regardless of who wants it or doesn't.