So a shot clock would mean you couldn't play really gritty defense. Like all things offense will adapt, players will adapt, coaches will need to adapt and develop. Really tough hard nosed defensive teams are being taught and coached that. It is partly a mindset but partly it is also taught. Defense isnt just about running around. I see really bad defenses that play hard....but they have no clue how to play team defense or understand, responsibilities.
Shot Clock
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Never said it miraculously will turn them into a offensive juggernaut. It will take time. It will make coaches develop the offensive side of the ball more, especially at the youth levels. But hey, what do I know.
The shot clock is coming to MO eventually. The NFHS rules are generally followed by all states, and the NFHS has set the shot clock at :35. MSHSAA will do the same. For good or bad, that's what it's going to be, tho MO is slow to change in all things it seems, not just sports.
I so rarely see any HS game when a shot clock would be a factor. It is only going to affect the last 2 mins of the game. I would like to see the shot clock turned off at least the last minute of the game. I think protecting the lead at the end of the game is a huge part of the game - make the defense foul and make the FTs, instead of possibly being forced to shoot the other team back into the game.
I so rarely see any HS game when a shot clock would be a factor. It is only going to affect the last 2 mins of the game. I would like to see the shot clock turned off at least the last minute of the game. I think protecting the lead at the end of the game is a huge part of the game - make the defense foul and make the FTs, instead of possibly being forced to shoot the other team back into the game.
One of the main purposes of the shot clock is to prevent people just holding the ball at the end of the game. So turning the shot clock off is a really terrible idea. A back and forth game and one team has a 2 point lead with 3 minutes left so instead of continuing to play basketball they just play keep away until they are fouled especially with the removal of the one and one. Makes the end of games better and keeps it a basketball game not a free throw shooting exhibition.
Yeah, my dad always liked, "Couldn't hit a bull in the a$$ with a banjo."
That's your opinion. I always find it plenty exciting and suspenseful to see a kid on the FT line with :40 left and a 1 pt lead, Most HS kids don't shoot FTs near as well as college and pros.
Well you will not see the 1 and 1 anymore. That is when it gets real interesting.
True that's my opinion. The change from 1 and 1 to 2 shots removes some of the pressure and suspense and makes it harder on teams that are behind without a shot clock also.
As was hinted at earlier in this thread, the average fan just wants to see points. With a shot clock more shots will be taken. Quality shots? Probably not. A shot clock is just going to widen the gap between good teams and bad teams, and take a very useable strategy option away from teams trying to steal a win from someone they may only beat 1-2 times out of 10 if they played. The argument that "players will become better offensively with a shot clock" is most likely coming from somewhen who has never coached a game. Is the shot clock coming to Missouri? Yeah most likely sooner rather than later. Is it good for basketball in Missouri? Probably doesn't affect the high level larger class schools, but it can really tie the hands on mid to small size schools that only have 1-2 players that can do anything offensively. Shot clock is fine when you have a team full of highly skilled players. Adding it to other levels of basketball, and god forbid girls basketball will make a lot of games really hard to watch.
Exactly Calvin!!
For all of you sports fans wanting more points;
In football, outlaw running the ball as throwing the ball is much more exciting and leads to more points.
In hockey, make the goal 10' by 6'!!
In soccer, shorten the game time by 30 mins and the field by 50 yards!!
In pickleball, eliminate the no smash zone at the net!!
For all of you sports fans wanting more points;
In football, outlaw running the ball as throwing the ball is much more exciting and leads to more points.
In hockey, make the goal 10' by 6'!!
In soccer, shorten the game time by 30 mins and the field by 50 yards!!
In pickleball, eliminate the no smash zone at the net!!
Football has a play clock. Hockey and soccer aren't high scoring sports and while time wasting happens in soccer it happens at every level and can be argued it's part of soccer culture. It's not about scoring it's about action. Most high school games won't change much with a shot clock. What's wrong with playing the game and not playing keep away? 3 or 4 bad shots a game at end of possessions is worth the trade off in my opinion. I know people are very divided on this topic.
If you can't take the ball from then you don't deserve to have it.
Survey has been reopened until Friday as only 42% of school responded.
Too bad the wall is not a legal place for them. They have to be on the basket supports.
I think the point was that was FOREVER ago. You know, back when everyone thought the shot clock was soon going to be instituted in MO HS. Yet, here we are, and still no shot clock. I could be wrong though.
Is there an NFHS rule that specifically says they where the shot clock must be placed? That could be a nightmare for some small schools unfortunately. While I would be excited for the challenge as a coach, as an admin at a small school that will be rough. Both monetarily and finding someone to run it semi-correctly.
The went to the women's college rule on free throws, shoot 2 on the 5th foul and start over every quarter. I reckon the shot clock ain't far behind. I have no idea why anybody thinks taking away 1&1 free throws is good idea. Takes a LOT of pressure off the shooter when that's always been a big deal late in a game.
I am with you on the no 1-1. Terrible. Rewards bad free throw shooters in late game situations.
I guess they think it's too much pressure on the kids. Wonder what they'll do when they have a job where they have perform under a little stress?
If taking away 1-1 free throws awards bad free throw shooters late in the game doesn't adding a shot clock reward poor defenses late in the game?
I honestly think the rule changes may have the opposite effect than what was intended. They want more points, less physicality, more free flowing offense etc. This actually could make those teams that play slow offensively and physical defensively double down unless the officials are extremely whistle happy. If you have any depth at all, and you have only a couple fouls with 2-3 minutes left in the quarter why not ratchet up the pressure even more? Then it resets at quarter and you're not stuck going zone or having to back off until the officials blow their whistles quite a bit again.
Are you kidding me? A running play may last 5-6 seconds, everybody walks back to the huddle, 30 seconds later they run another 5-6 play, and repeat. You end up seeing 50 secs of action in 5 mins.
The entire stance I have had on shot clock is it will force coaches to coach. Develop a more offensive minded approach in dealing with shot clock (Should be doing it anyway even without shot clock). Shooting and playing offense are different. Good shooters who don't move without the ball is bad offense. The tired, we get what we get and kids just don't work on their game on their own is an excuse. Starts at the youth levels. Coaches involved in youth ages typically see better results. If you wait until HS its probably too late, but you can certainly prepare the younger ages so it becomes easier when they get to HS. Shot clock or no shot clock...HS basketball is hard to watch 80% of the time.
Yes like I said they must be mounted on and recessed on the backboard supports, you cannot mount them on the wall
point #2
Real coaching is teaching an offense to hold the ball for 4 or 5 min without losing it and getting a good shot.
