So why wear them during surgery? Asking for a friendAsk any surgeon you know--a year ago-- if a mask will prevent a virus from spreading. After they chuckle, they will tell you, NO Fing way.
So why wear them during surgery? Asking for a friendAsk any surgeon you know--a year ago-- if a mask will prevent a virus from spreading. After they chuckle, they will tell you, NO Fing way.
It's all political. Once Texas goes blue in 2028 or '32, the Republicans will be screaming to end the EC and demanding a national vote so that "every American's vote counts the same nationwide" while the Dems will suddenly be in favor of the EC because the GOP can't win the White House without Texas.You clearly don't see my point....every Region etc. has that outlook per say about other regions. I 100% agree that the East/West coast see the mid west and South as radical and they as orthodox and vice a versa. That human nature and the way of civilization.
How do you keep a Republic together if there is a huge divide in culture, beliefs and the way of the economic structure and the smaller population group is at the mercy of a Mob rule vote democracy? You have a electoral college to balance that effect. If not then the smaller population area's might well look to dissolve the Union, already a lot of sentiment in the Red regions for that..
The fact is I agree with a lot of your post....Cultures try to indoctrinate, other Cultures resist, I agree that there are people in other regions I agree with and so forth. The issue is that the EC tries to balance that out at least on a symbolic nature.
Do away with the EC and then that might be the last nail in the coffin of this Union.
They keep a surgeon or nurse from drooling spit or snot into whatever part of the patient they have cut open. That’s about all they are good forSo why wear them during surgery? Asking for a friend
And what might that spit and/or snot contain??They keep a surgeon or nurse from drooling spit or snot into whatever part of the patient they have cut open. That’s about all they are good for
So technically none of us should catch the virus, thanks to these built-in protectants you mention? Unless we have surgery and maybe catch it there?Your nasal cavity, trachea and lungs all have mechanisms, such as cilia and mucous membranes, to prevent infection from airborne microbes.
Any surgical incision or opening to the pleural or gastrointestinal cavity is not so protected.
Hopes this helps your friend.
And so doctors and nurses are wearing masks during surgery to help prevent........airborne microbes!?!? I think you're slowly proving Bosko's point. Lmao.Your nasal cavity, trachea and lungs all have mechanisms, such as cilia and mucous membranes, to prevent infection from airborne microbes.
Any surgical incision or opening to the pleural or gastrointestinal cavity is not so protected.
Hopes this helps your friend.
Obviously breathing into an open wound is different than sneezing or coughing around someone. I feel like people using the "surgeons wear them" because it proves the point that masks work.Right. When exhaling into an open body cavity or wound, this is absolutely necessary.
Again, I’m not arguing against masks. I just don’t like the whole “surgeons wear them” point.
At this point anyone sneezing or coughing,,,going out into public when they obviously know they are ill should be strung up Tar’d and feathered and ran out of town on a rail,,,not just made to wear a maskObviously breathing into an open wound is different than sneezing or coughing around someone. I feel like people using the "surgeons wear them" because it proves the point that masks work.
AI guess a simple way to look at it is this way: if you and me and three other people were sitting together in my living room, and you knew that all of us but you had COVID and were currently contagious, would you be more comfortable (feel safer) if
a) none of us were wearing mask
B) we were all wearing masks
C) you were the only one with no mask
D) you were the only one with a mask
the answer seems real obvious to me
Man, it’s not everyday someone can simplify my disdain for most religions and religious beliefs. Take a bow.But if I’m right, I have eternity in heaven whereas the non-believer spends forever suffering in hell.
Truth. But if everyone understood when they were necessary and when they weren’t, that’d be a huge help too. I’ll grab mine and throw it in for a quick run into Kum n Go. Totally unnecessary, but I just do it. Not worth the trouble to not.Very different indeed. Some recent CDC data makes me question how effective they are. That being said, I’d recommend erring on the side of caution for now.
That’s a super simplistic, and invalid, analogy. If I knew you all I had influenza, I’d never sit in the room. But I don’t go around masked up constantly every influenza season. But I do wash my hands a lot more.I guess a simple way to look at it is this way: if you and me and three other people were sitting together in my living room, and you knew that all of us but you had COVID and were currently contagious, would you be more comfortable (feel safer) if
a) none of us were wearing mask
B) we were all wearing masks
C) you were the only one with no mask
D) you were the only one with a mask
the answer seems real obvious to me
I wondered if someone would go this route. And it emphasizes why you in particular should wear a mask. Because you don’t know who around you may be ill such as in Walmart.That’s a super simplistic, and invalid, analogy. If I knew you all I had influenza, I’d never sit in the room. But I don’t go around masked up constantly every influenza season. But I do wash my hands a lot more.
That's a super simplistic, and invalid, analogy. There are multiple oral antiviral agents available for outpatient flu treatment, there is a vaccine for flu, and every doctor's clinic in the country can perform a rapid test to tell you in 5 minutes whether you have the flu, none of which are available for COVID.That’s a super simplistic, and invalid, analogy. If I knew you all I had influenza, I’d never sit in the room. But I don’t go around masked up constantly every influenza season. But I do wash my hands a lot more.
You can wear your mask all flu season if you like. I’ll roll the dice when all the mandates are done. Fear is a weird thing.I wondered if someone would go this route. And it emphasizes why you in particular should wear a mask. Because you don’t know who around you may be ill such as in Walmart.
People like to use the flu analogy. I’m wondering now if when we have a bad flu season, and so many people locally are dying from it, will you start to see more masks worn then?
us mask-wearers are trying to do our part to slow the spread. And hopefully not get it ourselves to suffer through.
Oh, and I love football!
You said sitting in the room. I’m not going in a room full of known flu patients. Mask or not. That’s moronic. As it would be to go into the room you proposed. Would I go into a room of 100 people that weren’t showing any symptoms? Yep, sure would.That's a super simplistic, and invalid, analogy. There are multiple oral antiviral agents available for outpatient flu treatment, there is a vaccine for flu, and every doctor's clinic in the country can perform a rapid test to tell you in 5 minutes whether you have the flu, none of which are available for COVID.
It's all political. Once Texas goes blue in 2028 or '32, the Republicans will be screaming to end the EC and demanding a national vote so that "every American's vote counts the same nationwide" while the Dems will suddenly be in favor of the EC because the GOP can't win the White House without Texas.
No
Montana gets 2 electors because they are a state. Every state gets 2
They get one more to represent their population.
California gets their 2 for being a state,,, then a crapload more to represent their population which is a crapload larger than Montanas
It’s a perfect system
You clearly don't see my point....every Region etc. has that outlook per say about other regions. I 100% agree that the East/West coast see the mid west and South as radical and they as orthodox and vice a versa. That human nature and the way of civilization.
How do you keep a Republic together if there is a huge divide in culture, beliefs and the way of the economic structure and the smaller population group is at the mercy of a Mob rule vote democracy? You have a electoral college to balance that effect. If not then the smaller population area's might well look to dissolve the Union, already a lot of sentiment in the Red regions for that..
The fact is I agree with a lot of your post....Cultures try to indoctrinate, other Cultures resist, I agree that there are people in other regions I agree with and so forth. The issue is that the EC tries to balance that out at least on a symbolic nature.
Do away with the EC and then that might be the last nail in the coffin of this Union.
It's almost like a 3rd party makes sense, huh?without a doubt the Gulf between Red and Blue is vast and almost unbridgeable
I see it as evening out the democratic process. With 50 states and the vast differences that reside across those 50 states, as I stated the EC in some ways helps balance out the Large Population area's to the smaller Population area's. At least it appears that way to many.
Moving to a truly popular vote for the president could disenfranchise a massive amount of people leading to a true break up of the union.
It's clear that this country is sharply divided and Trump vs Biden is a Prime example.....without a doubt the Gulf between Red and Blue is vast and almost unbridgeable. The common ground between the two sides has shrunk to the size of a House Lot. And I don't think that there is any way this is walked back.
The very fact that so many are appalled and sadden that Trump has gotten 68million + votes and see this as a horrific testament of all those people as opposed to just a different outlook on the proper way to govern is pretty darning for the future of America.
It's almost like a 3rd party makes sense, huh?
Which is why threads on MoSports turns into this stuff! You cracked the code @fundyswm !!!Yep. We must turn just about anything into sports (rooting for one side, hating the other).
I see your point in paragraph 2, but a massive amount of people are also disenfranchised under the current electoral college model.I see it as evening out the democratic process. With 50 states and the vast differences that reside across those 50 states, as I stated the EC in some ways helps balance out the Large Population area's to the smaller Population area's. At least it appears that way to many.
Moving to a truly popular vote for the president could disenfranchise a massive amount of people leading to a true break up of the union.
It's clear that this country is sharply divided and Trump vs Biden is a Prime example.....without a doubt the Gulf between Red and Blue is vast and almost unbridgeable. The common ground between the two sides has shrunk to the size of a House Lot. And I don't think that there is any way this is walked back.
The very fact that so many are appalled and sadden that Trump has gotten 68million + votes and see this as a horrific testament of all those people as opposed to just a different outlook on the proper way to govern is pretty darning for the future of America.
The 2-party system is what the Founders thought we could avoid, but alas, humans seem to need a binary "us and them" to simplify things in the ideological sphere.
I guess I don't see allowing every individual American citizen's vote to count the same as every other American citizen's vote (as it is in every single other election except the president) as disenfranchising, because the very definition of the word doesn't allow that to be the case. The word literally means "to deprive someone of the right to vote." I think I understand what you are saying, though. My thought is this: just because people have chosen to live in a different location, it doesn't mean that they are less of an American citizen, regardless of the number of other people who have chosen to live (or stay) in the same location.
Ultimately, when you look at a standard election cartogram, what it comes down to for the vast majority of the map is rural voters vs. urban voters. They value different things (for varying reasons that seem to them to make sense) and they both believe they are right and the other side is not. Except that now it's more that my side is right and you are stupid/insane/un-American for believing what you believe.
This is the real issue in America and the world in general: that so many are willfully incapable of empathizing or sympathizing with the "other" side. They refuse to see anything from a different perspective. This is not a political observation, this is a scientific observation: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190422090847.htm
It's so much easier for us to choose to not even consider another human being's perspective. Intellectually lazy, but easier.
Your last point is a valid observation, and if you switched the word "Trump" with "Biden" and "68 million" with "72 million" it would be just as valid.
If they wanted to avoid a Two party system then you can't have a winner take all system. You could give say seats in the House based on the percentage of what each party get's in votes. But the system they sit up was clearly a 2 party system. A 3rd party has zero chance of surviving unless the replace a current party.
The simplest way to look at it is, we are not the United Citizens Of America or the Peoples Republic Of America.. We are a collection of individual states uniting as one country. Each state gets a say in who is President of the part of our country that isn't left to the states. The EC insures that Wyoming gets a real and proportional say in who that President is. The truth is that the POTUS is way more powerful than ever intended.
This individual state concept is also why we have so many differing methods from state to state in voting for President.
You may change your mind once Texas finishes turning blue in 2028 or 2032 like California and Colorado did before them. At that point, Texas, NY & California will all be blue and we will not have a republican POTUS for decades thereafter without a popular vote.It is proportional in that my vote counts the same as every other person in my state. Each state is proportionally equal to the other since the EC is arrived at through Senator and Representative totals. Representatives are decided by equal population division. It, and our legislative formula was designed to give power to states through the Senate but the Senate can't legislate without consent of the people (representatives).
You may not like being a nation of states but you are in the wrong country then.
Of course they work if everyone wears oneNewflash..the European countries are going back into lockdown. Masks don't work, never have.
Do they? What evidence do you have of that?Of course they work if everyone wears one
It is proportional in that my vote counts the same as every other person in my state. Each state is proportionally equal to the other since the EC is arrived at through Senator and Representative totals. Representatives are decided by equal population division. It, and our legislative formula was designed to give power to states through the Senate but the Senate can't legislate without consent of the people (representatives).
You may not like being a nation of states but you are in the wrong country then.
Do they? What evidence do you have of that?
I wear the stupid thing...just not exactly sure how effective it is. But true, not exactly sure what I need to see to convince me. If you put a couple of bourbons in me, I'd probably relent and say they're "slightly" effective. Idk if it's worth all the crap. I'm sure they'd be just as "slightly" effective during flu season too. I think that's my fear, is the fraidy cats out there keep these darned things around forever. Human interaction, and reading faces and expressions, is a truly fun part of life. It's already sterile enough these days. Pun totally intended there.Nobody is going to convince the other side on the effectiveness of masks.
Can we do the same study without them? Lol. Probably not, huh? Totally get it though, that's a pretty stout number.Here is some from a while back, anecdotal though it may be:
Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists...
On May 12, 2020 (day 0), a hair stylist at salon A in Springfield, Missouri (stylist A), developed respiratory symptoms and continued working with clients until day 8, when the stylist received a...www.cdc.gov
It almost seems like civil discussion from opposing views. Hurry, somebody call the other a butt sniffer!!!