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Is there somewhere to go and determine who decided on moves they make?
What the votes were?

Is this all done in secrecy?
Should the 'deciders' be required to sign their names to these ridiculous renderings?
TIA.
 
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Why are the meetings and Votes not open to the public? How do they get away with it? The Public funds MSHSAA so how do they get away with being so secretive?
 
Why are the meetings and Votes not open to the public? How do they get away with it? The Public funds MSHSAA so how do they get away with being so secretive?
Pretty sure mshsaa is not funded by any tax dollars if that is what you are saying. They are not affiliated with the Dept of Education
 
Pretty sure mshsaa is not funded by any tax dollars if that is what you are saying. They are not affiliated with the Dept of Education
No they are not given money from the DE but the Public does fund them as I said. Member schools fund them as well as the revenue from state events.
 
I know they have a huge task, with all the sports, schools, etc. Seems like they could push more effort onto Private vs Public nonsense, spend less time worry about if Johnny wears a towel that is too long, etc, and get rid of some of these can't play in a charity game type rules,
 
I know they have a huge task, with all the sports, schools, etc. Seems like they could push more effort onto Private vs Public nonsense, spend less time worry about if Johnny wears a towel that is too long, etc, and get rid of some of these can't play in a charity game type rules,
With the salaries they're paid, they need to produce some results.

And losing court cases isn't what 'we the people' want to see.

Do something about obvious and blatant cheating going on in the STL area private schools.

Wait..isn't the lead dog from a StL area private school?

Carry on.
 
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Always blame the organization when it's the member schools that vote on all the crap everyone bitches about it.
 
Always blame the organization when it's the member schools that vote on all the crap everyone bitches about it.
I'm pretty sure nobody voted to make class .5 districts the way they are.

Just make good choices for heaven's sake.

Recent history indicates MSHSAA is less trustworthy to do that than most 13 year olds.
 
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Always blame the organization when it's the member schools that vote on all the crap everyone bitches about it.
Here is the problem often some member schools have detached yes women school boards who don’t pay a dang bit of attention to sports and even have a huge dislike for the whole barbaric games of sports. This leads to administrations who are apathetic to the whole process and the outcome is what we get. So yes some of the blame is on the member schools and the public. But at the end of the day the people hired and paid a wage that is in the upper percentile of incomes across the state are not doing the job with ethics. While they speak out of the other side of their mouths and preach all that stuff their actions expose their blatant bias and corruption.
 
Always blame the organization when it's the member schools that vote on all the crap everyone bitches about it.

The voting structure still doesn't make sense though. If my memory serves me correctly, each school gets 1 vote on every proposal submitted annually. Why should Joplin and Golden City both get 1 vote on whether or not Girls soccer expands from 3 to 4 classes?
 
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They don't. By-Law states when a sport adds a class. If a matter is about a specific sport, only those schools will vote on it.

Fair enough, but it should still be a mixture of a majority and a weighted voting system. I think it should have to pass by a majority of schools AND by a weighted majority of votes based on enrollment (Blue Springs [High School] would have a vote weighted at 1799 points versus 287 points for Fair Grove)
 
The median size HS in Missouri has a 9-11 enrollment of 192. good luck on getting the weighted passed.
 
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I’m not privy to what types of issues are voted on like this, but a similar complaint I’ve seen over the years is MSHSAA will ‘survey’ the members schools to see what they prefer: Option A or Option B. The Board then will get together behind closed doors & implement the ruling off that. Sometimes favoring more of option C.

This will be good fodder for some, the newly elected member of the Board of Directors for the Southeast District was hired to be the new Principal at a private school everyone on here loves to hate
 
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This will be good fodder for some, the newly elected member of the Board of Directors for the Southeast District was hired to be the new Principal at a private school everyone on here loves to hate
That's all good. Get enough easy paths to the final and you'll end up in class 3 again.

We all know how that works out.
 
That's all good. Get enough easy paths to the final and you'll end up in class 3 again.

We all know how that works out.
this response from this poster tells me the school so I don’t need to ask!
How does that work out?
And I don’t see how that school would have any control over their path, or anyone else’s path, to a final?
And “the school everyone loves to hate on here” is a bit of a stretch. As an opponent, official and as a spectator , I have the utmost respect for them. Year in and year out , they are the best coached team with the most respectable players that I see. I don’t see them every year, but when I do, that is what I see.
 
this response from this poster tells me the school so I don’t need to ask!
How does that work out?
And I don’t see how that school would have any control over their path, or anyone else’s path, to a final?
And “the school everyone loves to hate on here” is a bit of a stretch. As an opponent, official and as a spectator , I have the utmost respect for them. Year in and year out , they are the best coached team with the most respectable players that I see. I don’t see them every year, but when I do, that is what I see.
Well see you get people on the boards at MSHSAA....

Who knew Bowling Green was a west school!?!
 
I was watching a few minutes of a Rolla school board meeting online. They were talking about realignment. Two of the female members had zero idea what any of it meant. One asked if the new conferences started now in the middle of the school year.

Comical, but translate that cluelessness to issues of actual education and that is where the overwhelming majority of board members are on any issue involving education.

If you doubt me, show up to a random board meeting at any rural school. It's pathetic.
 
Why should bigger schools votes count more than small schools?
The larger schools are representing more students. Why should a school that represents the interests of 100 kids get the same representation as a school that represents 1,500 student voices?

Same reason winning Knox County counts less than winning Green County when you’re running for statewide office.
 
Again, I think it should be a mixture of a majority of schools and a majority of votes. They could make it to where a majority of schools have to pass a ballot measure as it is now so that large schools cannot dictate what it best for them, however; large schools should be able to use their size in order to prevent small schools from also publishing measures that will hurt large schools. What if Dixon (237) submitted a proposal that would only allow schools to carry 15 players on their soccer roster in the fall? Obviously, that's quite a bit of a stretch, but you see where I'm going with this.
 
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Well see you get people on the boards at MSHSAA....

Who knew Bowling Green was a west school!?!
Except they did it the exact same way last year: BG was district 7 / Northwest region was district 8.
Lamar was District 5.

2021 a similar story, northeast was districts 6 and 7, northwest district 8. Lamar did push into District 4 that year.

Clearly they are doing more of a North / South vibe but there's an abundance of schools to the south.
 
Why should bigger schools votes count more than small schools?
I agree why should bigger schools get more votes on issues?? I guess he is for people with bigger incomes and bigger households to have weighted voting as well in all types of elections and can cast more ballots.

One school one vote is how it should be structured.
 
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The larger schools are representing more students. Why should a school that represents the interests of 100 kids get the same representation as a school that represents 1,500 student voices?

Same reason winning Knox County counts less than winning Green County when you’re running for statewide office.
Because the wants and needs of a 100 kids are as important as those same needs/wants of 1,500 kids in a different location.

A activities association is not a Political election. Take away the equal sharing component of the Organization and you might very well end up with all the Midsized to Smaller schools forming their own association and funding it and leaving the Private and Huge schools to do their own thing. In fact that is really what should happen.
 
I agree why should bigger schools get more votes on issues?? I guess he is for people with bigger incomes and bigger households to have weighted voting as well in all types of elections and can cast more ballots.

One school one vote is how it should be structured.
Ever heard of the House of Representatives?
 
Ever heard of the House of Representatives?
How are you getting from how the govt elects Rep. to go to congress when those Reps are not under any Obligation to vote in mass with each other and they often don’t within states that have more Rep's based on populace. Now you want to apply that to a organization of member schools who choose to belong and then would agree to having reduced voting power and thus under represent their own interests always being a junior member? If you wanted it to mirror the House of Rep. then bigger schools would need elected members to cast those weighted votes among their own citizens as they might not all have the same idea's and interests of those now deciding how to cast votes.... so No there is zero correlation at all. A better correlation although not perfect would be the Senate each state get's equal number of Senators and each get one vote!
 
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