Quit crying about people pointing out facts about private school recruiting. It's getting old.
MSHSAA Success Multiplier
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To me it's the "Lebron James effect" , certain private schools used to hold an advantage of wider population of kids to pull from and some would move in here and there but nothing egregious. Pretty much just parents giving the kids a better acedemic and athletic opportunity for college ....it seems now that mostly kids conspire (mabye parents and to a lesser degree schools ) to form "super teams " and aau , camps , social media , etc all plays into that . I feel like most private schools don't get this effect but now the precident is set, for a select few that will get several d1 kids transfer yearly and I don't see that changing as long as college coaches are swarming the halls...
I mentioned social media ....I think thats the big game changer ....kids are all now connected ...even friends whereas even 10 years ago the best players from towns 5 miles away knew of the other but didn't actually know them and held a bit of a grudge bc they were from a rival school ....now they chat it up , become friends , and say ....hey ....let's just play together
I mentioned social media ....I think thats the big game changer ....kids are all now connected ...even friends whereas even 10 years ago the best players from towns 5 miles away knew of the other but didn't actually know them and held a bit of a grudge bc they were from a rival school ....now they chat it up , become friends , and say ....hey ....let's just play together
facts?! Oh your a funny one. Lose to a private school in Hs or something? When I was in HS we beat a private school in the playoffs every. Single. Year
Do families and kids “conspire” when they choose to live in a municipality because its public schools have athletic programs they want to be a part of?
I never understood why the small private schools get the hate on here when the True Super mega teams are in the MCC conference.[/QUOTE]
Why? Because Class 2 and 3 is where the overwhelming majority of rural schools fans here come from. You’ll hear some moderate bitching about CBC dragging Joplin last year, but mostly they’re cool with that. They’re even fine with losing perineally to the same handful of schools, as long as they’re from their area. Let Trinity win State ONCE and they’ll lose their shit every time. Cries of unfairness and allegations of conspiracies come out faster than shit thru a pig. It’s some entertaining stuff.
Why? Because Class 2 and 3 is where the overwhelming majority of rural schools fans here come from. You’ll hear some moderate bitching about CBC dragging Joplin last year, but mostly they’re cool with that. They’re even fine with losing perineally to the same handful of schools, as long as they’re from their area. Let Trinity win State ONCE and they’ll lose their shit every time. Cries of unfairness and allegations of conspiracies come out faster than shit thru a pig. It’s some entertaining stuff.
Monett has a small private christian school in our district. One of the parents in our youth program asked me why Monett will not coop with them? That school draws from Aurora, Mt Vernon, Cassville, Purdy, East Newton, Verona and Pierce city to name a few schools.
So here is my question, if Monett Coops with them, say a QB who also happens to be a good basketball player from one of those towns, transfer to that school, could he not enroll in that school and then because we coop with them would he be eligible to play for us immediately? Just thinking out loud here..... I mean he could check the box that says hey I felt scared at my other school...Any rules against that?
So here is my question, if Monett Coops with them, say a QB who also happens to be a good basketball player from one of those towns, transfer to that school, could he not enroll in that school and then because we coop with them would he be eligible to play for us immediately? Just thinking out loud here..... I mean he could check the box that says hey I felt scared at my other school...Any rules against that?
Those "true super mega" teams are competing against schools more likely to have collegiate talent. They might have the edge in talent, but the public schools they're playing against are always talented enough to not get embarassed.
It's wrong to have a 6'5/300# defensive tackle (who doesn't play offense) from TC/LN/CR who just got offered by LSU to be lined up against a 5'10 170# right guard from some speed trap town who plays every snap because they only have 20 players on the entire roster. You can't look me in the eye and tell me that is the same mismatch as that DT going up against a 6'2 265# kid from a Ft. Zumwalt school looking at playing D2.
Personally, I don't think anything less of the kids or even really the coaches at these schools. Coaches have to win now or risk losing their jobs. Regardless of what the old guy at the hardware store might say, kids have always wanted instant gratification. If you were a potential D1 athlete from STL (not named Isaiah Williams or Ronnie Perkins), would you rather:
- Attend a Kirkwood/CBC/DeSmet and risk sitting the bench for 2 years.
OR
- Be a four-year stud at Trinity, beat the pants off of Sumner or whoever is unfortunate enough to see you in November, and pop out so much on film that colleges have no choice but to offer you a full-ride.
Why? Because Class 2 and 3 is where the overwhelming majority of rural schools fans here come from. You’ll hear some moderate bitching about CBC dragging Joplin last year, but mostly they’re cool with that. They’re even fine with losing perineally to the same handful of schools, as long as they’re from their area. Let Trinity win State ONCE and they’ll lose their shit every time. Cries of unfairness and allegations of conspiracies come out faster than shit thru a pig. It’s some entertaining stuff.[/QUOTE]
Bingo
If his family can document it and MSHSAA’s Transfer Committee verifies it, then yep.
I doubt you’d crawl out of your hole and assume that “feeling unsafe” was the reason he was given an exception though. Then again, you don’t know why anyone else’s kid transfers (with or without getting a waiver) but that doesn’t stop you from foaming at the mouth about some unidentifiable inside source that told you it was so.
Trinity played East St. Louis last year (and will again this year, a OH powerhouse last year, AND traveled to Valdosta in 2018.
Lutheran North is the smallest school in a conference that (until the last 2 years) has four Class 4 teams, with a Class 3 that’s one of the winningest football programs in MO history (JBS) ... and MICDS is one, too. Incidentally, EVERY school in the Metro League is private. As are all of the teams Ritter and Trinity face in the AAA Conference.
Lamar has larger roster numbers than any Class 2 or 3 school in the state, and their linemen aren’t 175 lbs. I don’t see ANYONE weeping for the teams in their conference they’ve demolished over the last decade.
If dominating tiny schools was how kids get scholarships, then Lamar would be an NCAA pipeline.
That’s BP’s quote. Not mine. I fully understand why you’re fixated in Trinity, Ritter and Lutheran North.
Actually I was asking a serious question. I don't know how exactly the rules work in all situations, but when the guy asked me about that I thought hey maybe this works. I don't know how coop works, you may not have to say anything either. Because you are transferring to a school that offers no sports right? So you would strictly transferring for academics or religious reasons. This kid would just happen to be transferring to a school that coops for sports...right.
Trinity traveled to Valdosta? I thought they traveled to Colquitt County.
Kennedy (a coed catholic HS) had a co-op for football with Valley Park several years ago. All of the normal transfer rules (and exceptions) applied when public school kids transferred to Kennedy, as far as eligibility. They’d likely work the same way with Monett. For better or worse.
Valdosta ... Colquitt ... whatever. It was one of those giant Georgia High Schools. Trinity got creamed, of course.
It’s crazy to think that Lutheran North(the most talent stacked team in class 2) has the same amount of title game appearances of late as Grandview(Hillsboro) who they beat down 83-0 in the first round of districts.
Incarnate Word Academy says hello with their six class 4 state titles over the last seven seasons in girls basketball. I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but I know that private schools have had a ton of success in boys basketball, baseball, and tennis as well. Probably other sports that I'm not familiar with too.
Lamar turns out a very large roster for a class 2 (or 3) team but no not the largest.
Hell RHCF, there's at least one class 1 team with a (slightly) larger roster. I knew Blair Oaks and Macon had larger in class 2 (by a bunch), and actually found 3 others during my brief research before posting my reply. I'm sure there's more in class 3 if anyone is so inclined. No dig at all at Lamar, as I also stated it's irrelevant to the conversation. Valle and Monroe City do just fine with much smaller rosters.
Think Lawson may take the record for largest percentage of male students on a football team.
This is like a weird complex you guys have. Its not WRONG the have more talent than another football team. The problem you small public fans have is honestly just the threat of being beaten by private schools. The reality of the situation is that since 2000, Lutheran N, Trinity, and Cardinal Ritter have 2 State Championship appearances outside of last yr when CR/Trinity went head to head. Its still very balanced so I really dont understand why 90% of this Blog is about the same topic. It isnt that impactful on the outcome of football games.
They’re clearly attempting to get together a super team and win verse lessor competition. Individually they wouldn’t shine as bright if they played against teams with the same caliber of athletes across the board.
Trinity has 6 of the top 50 in state athletes l for 2020 alone, Ritter has 4 and the entire rest of class 3 has 0.
Lutheran North has 5 of them in class 2.
People are upset that you would take a stacked deck and play down there. The fact that their success is handicapped by coaching is irrelevant
It's not an issue of "right and wrong" the issue is small public schools don't have the option or opportunity to open their doors to anyone within a 50 mile radius, and even if they did, the majority of those schools don't have the ability to draw from a population of 3 million.
That's the issue, they're playing by a different set of rules.
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It is what it is. The boundaries had to be drawn somewhere and the fact is public schools agreed to it.
Bro, North County (Where Trinity and Lutheran North are located) does not have the best public schools.
I will also say that LN has been doing a much better job of getting the big schools in to visit in recent years. Despite the numerous talented football players at Trinity, the visits have dropped off tremendously from the big schools since Patterson has left, and it not because of them having less talent. I think Curry is far and away a better coach than Patterson, but Patterson got more schools in the building and he made recruiters look at his other players before talking about the main guys they came to see. Coach Reed is killing it in this area.
