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Missouri Media Rankings for Week 2

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The Lamar-Monett game was a good game the year before in 2015. Lamar led 7-0 at halftime. Monett scored at the 6:36 mark of the 3rd quarter to pull within 7-6. Lamar scored on a long run at the 6:12 mark to take a 15-6 lead. Lamar scored again at the 11:53 point of the final quarter to widen their lead to 22-6. After Monett scored at the 8:59 mark to close the gap to 22-12, Lamar scored again with 5:40 left to make the final score 29-12. So, Lamar led by two scores for most of the 2nd half but was in a battle until the end.
 
bottombulb said:
Going to have to agree to disagree on that one. They did have a talented team, but their team speed wasn't there at all. The coaching staff did a great job of putting kids in the right spots. They had a good front seven, but their secondary was bad. I saw the Mt. Vernon game at Monett last season, and if MV had any kind of defense at all they would have handled monett. They all just looked scared of Branch though. That very mediocre mv team gave the cubs all they wanted so don't tell me this was the most talented group monett had ever put on the field.
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Which Monett team was better then last years?
 
Pinochet said:
I don't agree with the statement (Monett has had multiple teams better then last year's state title team). That was the most talented team I've seen Monett have in a long time. Never saw their 70's state title teams play, but I'd bet you would have to go that far back to see a Monett team on that level.
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Sir you are crazy lol there isn't a soul in the town of Monett that thinks last years team was our best! After the game the mutal feeling was "about damn time"! Hell I'd put the 07, 08, 09,12, and 14 teams against last years team! If not for the new district rule Monett would have won state in 08 or at least made it to the semis against Chillicothe! Regardless, the big 8 has had teams every year make runs! 07 east Newton in class 2! The 06 mv team with Tomas Brock playing qb was about as tough a team I can remember!
 
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Jr4038 said:
Sir you are crazy lol there isn't a soul in the town of Monett that thinks last years team was our best! After the game the mutal feeling was "about damn time"! Hell I'd put the 07, 08, 09,12, and 14 teams against last years team! If not for the new district rule Monett would have won state in 08 or at least made it to the semis against Chillicothe! Regardless, the big 8 has had teams every year make runs! 07 east Newton in class 2! The 06 mv team with Tomas Brock playing qb was about as tough a team I can remember!
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This!! Glad somebody gets it! Also that MV team was special. Their line was huge and Brock was the best qb the conference has ever seen. Would have been a state champion if Harrisonville wasn't in the way.
 
revno said:
SRVC has been getting ran out of the playoffs early for the past few years. I'm comparing this year's teams to those teams.

Not comparing them to the mighty WEMO, for gosh sakes. That would be sacrilege!
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The teams that went north got knocked out by WEMO. The teams that went south didn't. Guess i'm not following how anything has changed except Thayer not being as good?
 
Jr4038 said:
Sir you are crazy lol there isn't a soul in the town of Monett that thinks last years team was our best! After the game the mutal feeling was "about damn time"! Hell I'd put the 07, 08, 09,12, and 14 teams against last years team! If not for the new district rule Monett would have won state in 08 or at least made it to the semis against Chillicothe! Regardless, the big 8 has had teams every year make runs! 07 east Newton in class 2! The 06 mv team with Tomas Brock playing qb was about as tough a team I can remember!
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Watched all those teams you mentioned, last years Monett team was more talented. Last years team was bigger and more physical upfront then the other teams you mentioned. Last years team had a better RB then the others, had multiple kids who could catch the ball including a stud TE. To me the difference was that last years team had the best QB out of all those teams. He made the difference in a lot of big games including the state title. The defenses were all comparable, but great teams need difference makers, last years team had more of those then the other teams you mentioned
 
Pinochet said:
Watched all those teams you mentioned, last years Monett team was more talented. Last years team was bigger and more physical upfront then the other teams you mentioned. Last years team had a better RB then the others, had multiple kids who could catch the ball including a stud TE. To me the difference was that last years team had the best QB out of all those teams. He made the difference in a lot of big games including the state title. The defenses were all comparable, but great teams need difference makers, last years team had more of those then the other teams you mentioned
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Due to the competition level overall being down it can make homers/coaches/newspaper writers lose sight of reality as far as how good a team they are and forget past teams that had to go through the gauntlet just to get of districts. The turner kid was a stud and I wish the best for him at Pitt. Branch was a good hs rb because he was stronger than the kids he played against. Unless he gets a whole lot faster then he won't be a threat in division II. I think the 08 was probably my favorite monett team. I believe 08/09 was when they had oberman and Bounous coming off the edge correct?? Not saying they are the all time best team at monett but they were fun to watch.
 
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bottombulb said:
Oh boy here were go. Yes I will visit your thread from time for quick laugh. I must say that you are a good sidekick to J. Kane.
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He's no sidekick.....However us Doc Guys can do anything Together!!
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Jr4038 said:
Sir you are crazy lol there isn't a soul in the town of Monett that thinks last years team was our best! After the game the mutal feeling was "about damn time"! Hell I'd put the 07, 08, 09,12, and 14 teams against last years team! If not for the new district rule Monett would have won state in 08 or at least made it to the semis against Chillicothe! Regardless, the big 8 has had teams every year make runs! 07 east Newton in class 2! The 06 mv team with Tomas Brock playing qb was about as tough a team I can remember!
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Jr, I think most in Monett do look back and reflect what if on all of those teams. I am not going to argue that loss in 08 still stings, but hey 08 had their chance and could not do it in the end. Nothing against those teams you mentioned they were very talented but they all fell short for some reason, so in the end last years team is the only one that got it done and that means something! That to me means they were the best TEAM yep TEAM they played together and worked hard to accomplish their goal. Yes we can all sit around and debate who was better and what does it really matter? They won state and the others didn't end of story.

LETS GO CUBS!!
 
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Pinochet said:
Watched all those teams you mentioned, last years Monett team was more talented. Last years team was bigger and more physical upfront then the other teams you mentioned. Last years team had a better RB then the others, had multiple kids who could catch the ball including a stud TE. To me the difference was that last years team had the best QB out of all those teams. He made the difference in a lot of big games including the state title. The defenses were all comparable, but great teams need difference makers, last years team had more of those then the other teams you mentioned
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2008 we had Jacob barker, Frankie soriano, beau bounous Logan dickens, Jason Obermann, Kirk Moore, I'm missing some others playing the o and d lines! Those guys were as big if not bigger and more athletic then any lineman they had this year! If you remember Monett was ranked #1 in preseason because of how tough and well we played the dynasty that was Harrionville in 2007 and returned most of that team! Let's not forget who was coaching them! Spenser didn't make adjustments and Coach Large did! We flat out got out coached that year! But we can agree to disagree because I got to watch my Cubs win a state title and that's all that matters!
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Jr, I think most in Monett do look back and reflect what if on all of those teams. I am not going to argue that loss in 08 still stings, but hey 08 had their chance and could not do it in the end. Nothing against those teams you mentioned they were very talented but they all fell short for some reason, so in the end last years team is the only one that got it done and that means something! That to me means they were the best TEAM yep TEAM they played together and worked hard to accomplish their goal. Yes we can all sit around and debate who was better and what does it really matter? They won state and the others didn't end of story.

LETS GO CUBS!!
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I think you hit the nail on the head. TEAM is what it was all about. Anyone thinking they were just Branch was in for a rude awakening.
 
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Jr4038 said:
2008 we had Jacob barker, Frankie soriano, beau bounous Logan dickens, Jason Obermann, Kirk Moore, I'm missing some others playing the o and d lines! Those guys were as big if not bigger and more athletic then any lineman they had this year! If you remember Monett was ranked #1 in preseason because of how tough and well we played the dynasty that was Harrionville in 2007 and returned most of that team! Let's not forget who was coaching them! Spenser didn't make adjustments and Coach Large did! We flat out got out coached that year! But we can agree to disagree because I got to watch my Cubs win a state title and that's all that matters!
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The defense on the 08 team was better than 16 but the 16 offense was better. Would have been an interesting game between them. The weakest part of the 08 defense was the young corners, would have been interesting to see how they held up to the 16 passing game. 08 had a great set of d lineman and linebackers and an All-State safety (look at the picture above left to see him).

08 team was not nearly as big on the offensive line. 08 was Larson 185, Jenkins 195, Soriano 255, Barker 275 Bounous 215 (Beau wasn't very big as a Jr. Still a beast though), Moore 205. 16 team at the matching positions - 245/195 (2 different starters), 220, 220, 275, 330, 230.

Defensive line is closer size-wise but 08 was more athletic and rotated a lot more guys in. 08 had Bounous, Moore, Oberman (195 as a Jr.), Barker, Dunmire (170), Dickens (245), Severs (185 maybe). That was a tremendous dline. 16 was pretty much Turner (230), Villalta (245) till he got hurt, Long (220), Bartkoski (330), Brown (275), Butterworth (220), Branch at 225 sometimes dropped down to a DE position.

I do have a pretty good insight on these two teams since my sons were seniors on each of them.
 
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PapaT23 said:
This is for sbdude.

The Lamar-Monett game was a good game the year before in 2015. Lamar led 7-0 at halftime. Monett scored at the 6:36 mark of the 3rd quarter to pull within 7-6. Lamar scored on a long run at the 6:12 mark to take a 15-6 lead. Lamar scored again at the 11:53 point of the final quarter to widen their lead to 22-6. After Monett scored at the 8:59 mark to close the gap to 22-12, Lamar scored again with 5:40 left to make the final score 29-12. So, Lamar led by two scores for most of the 2nd half but was in a battle until the end.
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Thanks. I knew it wasn't a 2 td margin till late in the 4th but couldn't remember exactly.
 
bottombulb said:
Not going to fire away, but just take a look at the quality of opponents they were playing in conference last year. Aurora, Mac, Seneca, and East Newton were terrible. Cassville and Mt. Vernon were okay at best. Lamar did what Lamar does. You can't honestly tell me that you think most of these programs are at the level they have been in the past?? I'm glad the class 3 state champs are excited that they kept in close against the Class 2 state champs...
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I only mentioned Lamar as you were the one that stated they were the only current team that could compete with teams from the recent past. Last year Monett was right there with Lamar and if in your opinion Lamar could compete, then so could Monett.
 
PapaT23 said:
In the Lamar-Monett game last year, neither team led by more than a touchdown until Lamar scored at the 7:57 mark of the 4th quarter to take a 43-34 lead. A couple minutes later, Lamar scored to make the final score 49-34.

The game was tied at 7-7 in the first and 21-21 at the half. Monett scored at the 8:27 mark of the 3rd quarter with Lamar scoring at the 6:49 mark. But Lamar missed the extra point and Monett led going into the 4th 28-27. Lamar scored at the 11:03 point in the 4th and never trailed again. It was a back and forth game and very exciting to watch.

Lamar's Luke Hardman, did not dress out for this game. If he had, I don't believe the game would have been as close. He was a threat to score everytime he touched the ball. On defense, he usually shut down the other teams best receiver. He was a difference maker on both sides of the ball.
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That group of Seniors always had good games against each other. 1 point game in 8th grade that came down to a failed 2 pt conversion with seconds left, 1 point game as freshman and the above discussed games as Jrs and Srs. Fun games to watch.
 
Jr4038 said:
Sir you are crazy lol there isn't a soul in the town of Monett that thinks last years team was our best! After the game the mutal feeling was "about damn time"! Hell I'd put the 07, 08, 09,12, and 14 teams against last years team! If not for the new district rule Monett would have won state in 08 or at least made it to the semis against Chillicothe! Regardless, the big 8 has had teams every year make runs! 07 east Newton in class 2! The 06 mv team with Tomas Brock playing qb was about as tough a team I can remember!
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07, 08, 12 & 14 teams were good. 09 team gets beat by all of those and by 16. 07, 08 & 12 lived on their defense and had some struggles offensively. 14 was a little better offensively but not as good defensively as those teams. 16 had the best offense of all of them by far as they were WAY more balanced but the defense wasn't as good, probably about even with 14 and below the rest.
 
bottombulb said:
Going to have to agree to disagree on that one. They did have a talented team, but their team speed wasn't there at all. The coaching staff did a great job of putting kids in the right spots. They had a good front seven, but their secondary was bad. I saw the Mt. Vernon game at Monett last season, and if MV had any kind of defense at all they would have handled monett. They all just looked scared of Branch though. That very mediocre mv team gave the cubs all they wanted so don't tell me this was the most talented group monett had ever put on the field.
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Didnt know over 3000yds passing and 36 TDs was mediocre....
 
sbdude said:
I only mentioned Lamar as you were the one that stated they were the only current team that could compete with teams from the recent past. Last year Monett was right there with Lamar and if in your opinion Lamar could compete, then so could Monett.
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As someone else mentioned, Lamar's best player didn't even play against monett...
 
bottombulb said:
Due to the competition level overall being down it can make homers/coaches/newspaper writers lose sight of reality as far as how good a team they are and forget past teams that had to go through the gauntlet just to get of districts. The turner kid was a stud and I wish the best for him at Pitt. Branch was a good hs rb because he was stronger than the kids he played against. Unless he gets a whole lot faster then he won't be a threat in division II. I think the 08 was probably my favorite monett team. I believe 08/09 was when they had oberman and Bounous coming off the edge correct?? Not saying they are the all time best team at monett but they were fun to watch.
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I don't have a dog in this fight but have enjoyed reading.I do love how some insist their power of observation is better than others to prove a point. On behalf of Homers, Coaches, and Writers I would like to ask where do you get your superior observation and comparability skills?
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight but have enjoyed reading.I do love how some insist their power of observation is better than others to prove a point. On behalf of Homers, Coaches, and Writers I would like to ask where do you get your superior observation and comparability skills?
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**CRICKETS**
 
cardsbeatwriter said:
I don't have a dog in this fight but have enjoyed reading.I do love how some insist their power of observation is better than others to prove a point. On behalf of Homers, Coaches, and Writers I would like to ask where do you get your superior observation and comparability skills?
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Maybe most of the people on here are completely right. Maybe class three and the big 8 in general are stronger than they have ever been. Heck I guess since we are believing that then we have think about how the 2015 Lamar team would have beat Webb City. I mean if you compare scores like bullit does then there can be no doubt that Webb would have lost to Lamar. My observation skills are no better than anyone else's, but I'm not afraid to call a duck, a duck. Most coaches observation skills are great, but it's easy for some (not all) to think just because you are winning lots of games, that must mean you are better than anyone that's come before you regardless of whether the schedule is soft. I won't address homers because they always think it's their year, and don't have enough common sense to know other wise when it comes to their team. Most of the sports writers in this area over sensationalize everything, and most of them have never stepped foot on the field, or they have watched enough ESPN that they consider themselves well versed in sports. I'm NOT saying all of them. They have to build things up bigger than they are in order to get attention. Tv doesn't help much either. Have you ever watched any ozone? It's embarrassing the lack of knowledge they have of the game, and yet they get to paint the picture of sports for the public. So no, my observation skills aren't any better than anyone else's, but i can look at things from a more realistic viewpoint than some people that hold the positions above. Some people on this board appear to think that things are always moving forward and don't take a step back from time to time, and that just simply isn't true.
 
Jr4038 said:
High school football as a whole is down in the State of Missouri. Yes? Would you webbies call this the best Webb Team you've had in the last 10yrs? Would Lamar? Would Valle? Would Maryville? And if not this years team what about lasts years (I know I don't about Monett) I would say IMO that the level of high school being played classes 1-6 in the state of Missouri is down from years past!
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IDK, but this post doesn't help its future development. I see your point, but the past is past.
 
bottombulb said:
I agree with you on that for sure. I don't know the rb numbers off the top of my head but it never seemed like they had much of a running game.
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Read those stats in one of the preseason magazines. Only reason I put them out there. With a 3000yd passer it would be easy to overlook the run game. Also keep in mind they played 12 games last year, but they really were "mediocre " to a point, I just feel that has a negative tone (or not really good) and is why I picked at it a bit. But good discussion regardless, I understood what you were meaning about class 3 and all as well.
 
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