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Kickapoo and Glendale invited to COC

That article states that the district petitioned for the OMC which leads me to believe that IF they are accepted they would also approve the other two to accept the invitation into the new Southwest Major Big Deal Power 10 Conference.

If that happens Nixa isn't going to be able to get their lucrative tv rights deal with ESPN.
 
Well, this will lead to the death of Glendale football. I can't see them winning more than 1-2 games per season from now on. Student involvement will die and they'll have five students attending games within five years.

Boys and girls basketball will also suffer BIG TIME. They aren't competitive in the slightest with COC teams.

Golf, soccer, swimming, and baseball will be okay (based on current talent levels), but the major sports will DIE at Glendale in COC. Mark my words!!
 
Well, this will lead to the death of Glendale football. I can't see them winning more than 1-2 games per season from now on. Student involvement will die and they'll have five students attending games within five years.

Boys and girls basketball will also suffer BIG TIME. They aren't competitive in the slightest with COC teams.

Golf, soccer, swimming, and baseball will be okay (based on current talent levels), but the major sports will DIE at Glendale in COC. Mark my words!!
This is the risk for a few of these schools.
 
Well, this will lead to the death of Glendale football. I can't see them winning more than 1-2 games per season from now on. Student involvement will die and they'll have five students attending games within five years.

Boys and girls basketball will also suffer BIG TIME. They aren't competitive in the slightest with COC teams.

Golf, soccer, swimming, and baseball will be okay (based on current talent levels), but the major sports will DIE at Glendale in COC. Mark my words!!
And between Carthage, Glendale, Kickapoo, Neosho, Nixa, and Ozark, at least one of those teams will finish in the BOTTOM half of the conference in soccer every season.
 
This is the risk for a few of these schools.
It will vary by sport. I don’t know a ton about Glendale so they may be in the same club but in a number of sports I think Joplin Neosho and Carthage may only win against each other with any regularity. It will be interesting to see how it works out if they do in fact join.

Football will be interesting. The future is a little cloudy for Joplin and Carthage and even Webb City to some extent.
 
For Joplin the future is bad. Pretty sure the only freshman game CJ won this year was Joplin.
 
For Joplin the future is bad. Pretty sure the only freshman game CJ won this year was Joplin.
I just looked out of curiosity, Joplin and CJ freshman both 1-7. Carthage freshman only lost to nixa.
 
I just looked out of curiosity, Joplin and CJ freshman both 1-7. Carthage freshman only lost to nixa.
I think Joplin beat Willard. CJ would have played Willard last Monday but I don't know the score.
 
It will vary by sport. I don’t know a ton about Glendale so they may be in the same club but in a number of sports I think Joplin Neosho and Carthage may only win against each other with any regularity. It will be interesting to see how it works out if they do in fact join.

Football will be interesting. The future is a little cloudy for Joplin and Carthage and even Webb City to some extent.

I KNOW ABOUT GLENDALE....it won't be pretty in the major sports. Trust me!

Boys basketball: Glendale is 0-17 against Nixa since 2008, Glendale is 2-14 against Ozark since 2008, and Glendale is 0-3 against Republic since 2013. I don't even want to recount the girls basketball W/L record in the last 11 or 12 years against COC opponents.

Baseball, soccer, golf, swimming will be okay. But all the other sports will suffer tremendously.
 
I KNOW ABOUT GLENDALE....it won't be pretty in the major sports. Trust me!

Boys basketball: Glendale is 0-17 against Nixa since 2008, Glendale is 2-14 against Ozark since 2008, and Glendale is 0-3 against Republic since 2013. I don't even want to recount the girls basketball W/L record in the last 11 or 12 years against COC opponents.

Baseball, soccer, golf, swimming will be okay. But all the other sports will suffer tremendously.
To be fair I’m pretty sure Joplin Carthage neosho maybe even Webb are all 0-XX against nixa in basketball. Springfield area coc is just really tough in basketball. Volleyball too.
 
I don't see it happening. The big thing for the OC was all Springfield schools together. Heck they had central in and out as much times as a groom on his wedding night. Now split it when they got
 
To be fair I’m pretty sure Joplin Carthage neosho maybe even Webb are all 0-XX against nixa in basketball. Springfield area coc is just really tough in basketball. Volleyball too.

Webb beat Nixa once about 5 years or so ago. Carthage played their closest game ever against them and lost by 2 last year. They've struggled against the good teams, but have improved since leaving the Real Southwest Conference 15 years ago. We're no longer splitting games against Frontenac so tougher competition only makes you better.
 
Per Camdenton - Hillcrest and Parkview vote is on Tuesday to join Ozark Mountain Conference. If they are accepted into the OMC, then Kickapoo and Glendale will go to the COC. If they don't get voted in - the OC will stay at 8.

Also the 4 have been in talks with the CMAC. Smith-Cotton could be on the move out of it. Other option is to keep the 4 team OC for a 2 year period until some more things be shaked out.
 
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Springfield schools have had the reputation of being really hard to deal with,, just wait until they are separated into different conferences.
 
so tougher competition only makes you better.

I've NEVER seen that work in reality. I know it's a good line to throw out to parents and the public. But I've never seen it work at Glendale in any sport. Teams are either good because of the talent level or they're average or they suck.
 
I've NEVER seen that work in reality. I know it's a good line to throw out to parents and the public. But I've never seen it work at Glendale in any sport. Teams are either good because of the talent level or they're average or they suck.
I largely agree with this. There is a fine line between playing a balanced schedule and playing a schedule so hard that the kids become discouraged.
 
I've NEVER seen that work in reality. I know it's a good line to throw out to parents and the public. But I've never seen it work at Glendale in any sport. Teams are either good because of the talent level or they're average or they suck.
Actually good competition does make you bettter.

I mean it’s as simple as a when you run a race the faster the competition the faster you run.

It may not help with results but playing good comp makes you better.

You can take a team and be 2-7 or 7-2 all depending on the teams you play. Some like to play the best others like to beat up the weak and strut.

Think of Lamar early on they wouldn’t win many conference games and then make a semi run in class 2. I would say playing good teams made them better then the class 2 teams beating up poor teams.

But we live in a society that would rather have a good record playing bad teams. If you’re a competitor you want to play the best regardless of records.

Losers can go schedule down, they won’t ever win a meaningful game but they can feel good about themselves.
 
I think you get better by playing teams somewhat better than you but you can hurt yourself by playing teams much better than you.
 
A couple of years ago I suggested a southwest Missouri super conference with maybe three 10 team divisions, call them Gold Silver and Bronze or whatever. And like you’ve seen in professional soccer leagues, each year some teams play their way up and others lose too much and get demoted to a lower division for the following season.

With all the various thoughts and concerns shared in threads like this one, it seems like a decent way to go for this concern of being a bottom-dweller. You might go 1-8 in the Gold Division, but next year you can go 5-4 or 6-3 in the Silver. Not quite good enough to get promoted back to Gold, but maybe you get your program a little stronger again.

All the schools working together, and basketball, baseball and other scheduling becomes a breeze and can either follow a similar promotion/demotion thing or at least be a little more geographically smart.

You could probably even make it four groups of 9 teams, giving everyone an open slot to play their primary rival or someone outside of the conference if desired.
 
Maybe with all this reshuffling the new and improved COC will rename itself with something that makes more sense. Maybe I am the only person that finds it annoying that the name of the conference and actual geography of the members don't align.

It is basically a conference of the largest and most competitive schools in the SW corner of the state, sure there is a name with more punch to it. It's marginally in the ozarks - which to be fair is a region with a vague boundary. Kind of like the "midwest". I bet we could come up with some pretty corny names.
How about: The Old Mountain Conference (Since the Ozark Mountains are older than both the Appalachians and the Rockies) or The Ozark Plateau Conference or The Ozark Foothills Conference or maybe just The Foothills Conference or Southwest Foothills Conference.
 
I've NEVER seen that work in reality. I know it's a good line to throw out to parents and the public. But I've never seen it work at Glendale in any sport. Teams are either good because of the talent level or they're average or they suck.
Tougher competition in the right amount with the right coaching and the right kids can make a team better. Without some of those conditions then yes it can lead to discouragement and deterioration of interest which leads to less available talent and you actually get worse not better.
 
Tougher competition in the right amount with the right coaching and the right kids can make a team better. Without some of those conditions then yes it can lead to discouragement and deterioration of interest which leads to less available talent and you actually get worse not better.
You don't get better going 1-8 for several years in a row. Kids just quit. Hopefully this doesn't happen to the lower tier COC schools or after seeing the Marshfield score last night hopefully it doesn't happen to them. How do you lose to Catholic but want to go to a bigger league?
 
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Actually good competition does make you bettter.

I mean it’s as simple as a when you run a race the faster the competition the faster you run.

It may not help with results but playing good comp makes you better.

You can take a team and be 2-7 or 7-2 all depending on the teams you play. Some like to play the best others like to beat up the weak and strut.

Think of Lamar early on they wouldn’t win many conference games and then make a semi run in class 2. I would say playing good teams made them better then the class 2 teams beating up poor teams.

But we live in a society that would rather have a good record playing bad teams. If you’re a competitor you want to play the best regardless of records.

Losers can go schedule down, they won’t ever win a meaningful game but they can feel good about themselves.

Sorry, I was talking about boys basketball. Although, Glendale hasn't really seemed to improve after playing good teams in football either.

Once again, either you're GOOR or you're NOT.
 
Actually good competition does make you bettter.

I mean it’s as simple as a when you run a race the faster the competition the faster you run.

It may not help with results but playing good comp makes you better.

You can take a team and be 2-7 or 7-2 all depending on the teams you play. Some like to play the best others like to beat up the weak and strut.

Think of Lamar early on they wouldn’t win many conference games and then make a semi run in class 2. I would say playing good teams made them better then the class 2 teams beating up poor teams.

But we live in a society that would rather have a good record playing bad teams. If you’re a competitor you want to play the best regardless of records.

Losers can go schedule down, they won’t ever win a meaningful game but they can feel good about themselves.

Once again, I know that's what people think they're supposed to say or what they think others expect them to believe, BUT I've NEVER seen it work in Glendale in any sport for 27 years now. The teams that have beaten good competition were good teams to begin with because of their talent level.

I wasn't talking about teams that know they'll contend for a state championship scheduling a bunch of cupcakes. I'm talking about 95% of your typical high school teams needing to play a schedule that's commiserate to their expected talent level. Kids need to ENJOY the experience every now and then. This isn't NCAA Div. 1 Athletics.
 
Once again, I know that's what people think they're supposed to say or what they think others expect them to believe, BUT I've NEVER seen it work in Glendale in any sport for 27 years now. The teams that have beaten good competition were good teams to begin with because of their talent level.

I wasn't talking about teams that know they'll contend for a state championship scheduling a bunch of cupcakes. I'm talking about 95% of your typical high school teams needing to play a schedule that's commiserate to their expected talent level. Kids need to ENJOY the experience every now and then. This isn't NCAA Div. 1 Athletics.
Man, it’s not often I can say this in response to your post, but this is 100% spot on. Teach kids the skills they need to be successful in your program. Have some accountability for that teaching and practice while putting them in a position to be successful with practice and play, but also build values from what competitive athletics allow. Quit trying to win social media and all the other garbage that doesn’t “build culture”. Enjoying your experience and winning games builds culture. All the other stuff is just noise.
 
It will vary by sport. I don’t know a ton about Glendale so they may be in the same club but in a number of sports I think Joplin Neosho and Carthage may only win against each other with any regularity. It will be interesting to see how it works out if they do in fact join.

Football will be interesting. The future is a little cloudy for Joplin and Carthage and even Webb City to some extent.
Be careful what you wish for, it could bite them!
 
Well, this will lead to the death of Glendale football. I can't see them winning more than 1-2 games per season from now on. Student involvement will die and they'll have five students attending games within five years.

Boys and girls basketball will also suffer BIG TIME. They aren't competitive in the slightest with COC teams.

Golf, soccer, swimming, and baseball will be okay (based on current talent levels), but the major sports will DIE at Glendale in COC. Mark my words!!
They’re already dead.
 
Per Camdenton - Hillcrest and Parkview vote is on Tuesday to join Ozark Mountain Conference. If they are accepted into the OMC, then Kickapoo and Glendale will go to the COC. If they don't get voted in - the OC will stay at 8.

Also the 4 have been in talks with the CMAC. Smith-Cotton could be on the move out of it. Other option is to keep the 4 team OC for a 2 year period until some more things be shaked out.
I believe that if the OC breaks, then the CMAC will gain those four and Smith-Cotton will leave to try and find greener pastures. Smith-Cotton (outside of Soccer and Baseball) has been the worst team in the CMAC since it's inception. I think they only have two football wins since the league formed in 2020.
 
I could be mistaken but I’m pretty sure the W/L record of the opponent you win or lose to is factored into the district points.
Not sure if they have changed anything. But honestly if you play up and that team is winless I don't think you should get any bonus points. Not like these schools are going out and scheduling the top tier teams, thats were the win loss record should really matter. Say you play up one class and that team is winless you get no points. But say they have 4 wins you get 4 points. Say you play up 2 classes they have no wins you get no points, they have 4 wins you get 8 points.

12. District Seeding Procedures:
a. Points for a Win/Loss or Tie

i. 20 points for a win
ii. 10 points for a loss
iii. 15 points for an overtime loss
Add up the total points and divide by the number of games played.

b. Points for Playing Up or Down a Class
i. 10 points CREDIT for each class you play up (i.e., a Class 1 team plays a Class 3 team: 20 points). Divided by the number of games you played.
ii. There are no points taken away for playing down.

c. Points for Strength of Schedule
i. Points from opponent’s schedule by taking the sum of the win/loss record from each team you have played times the points for a win and loss, 10,20 minus your contribution to the opponents record, divided by the total number of games played minus the number of games you played. (Your records is 5W/4L)
Team A: 5W/4L =5x20 + 4x10=140
Team B: 7W/2L = 7x20 + 2x10=160
Team C: 3W/6L = 3x20 + 6x10=120
Team D: 4W/5L = 4X20 + 5x10=130
Team E: 4W/5L = 4X20 + 5x10=130
Team F: 7W/2L = 7x20 + 2x10=160
Team G: 3W/6L = 3x20 + 6x10=120
Team H: 2W/7L =2x20 + 7x10=110
Team I: 1W/8L = 1x20 + 8x10=100
Total games 81 Total points 1170
Minus the games you played 9
Minus the points you contributed 5x10 + 4x20 =130
81-9=72 1170-130=1040
1040/72=14.44
 
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