Those people only care about right now and how much they get for their oil. You and others on here tell us we can't get to the level of electric cars being talked about because we don't have and can't get the materials to make that many batteries. If YOU know that they do too!
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I believe Roe v Wade is a US Supreme Court decision to overturn. Conservatives finagled the court majority. Make your move.
Finagled??? How was it finagled? Do you honestly think that the Democrats, Libertarian, Green or any other party would not have done the exact same thing? Seriously, finagled. smh. Also, exactly what I said, the issue was diverted to point out a side issue technicality. Human beings are being murdered! Let's keep our eye on the ball. If our government decided to murder a specific populace people would be outraged and probably revolt. The problem is that this heinous thing is being done under the cover of lies, like "it's a political issue" and "it's the woman's body, it's her choice".
So you have a count on the covid positive immigrants? Florida and Texas account for about 1/3 of new case and I'd bet that doesn't count immigrants so maybe Texas should get it's house in order.
Great intellectual discourse. Let me try to equal the playground reply.....ummm it's none of your business.
I agree as long as it's legal it's nobody's business...if things are going to change in that regard then the U.S. population needs to make a stand and challenge it in the courts and legislative body. At this point it's clear nobody gives a darn...so why fret and worry about it.
I think you are confusing numbers.....70% of Americans have had at least one dose of the shot.......45% of the unvaxed which is 30% of the population say they will hold steadfast and not get the vax.......35% say they doubt they will. So around 80% of the unvaxed probably will never get the vax's. 3% said they will get the vax a extremely small number and 16% said they probably would another less than stellar number which jives with the 700K you touted up as being Wonderful.
They have had incentives all across the country, giving out free beer, money etc. and the unvaxed are holding strong with small movements in that 20-19% of the total unvaxed who want the shot or say that they will..
Again I will not diminish Covid or it being lethal but clearly less than 1% of C19 deaths occur in children...18-29yr old's account for the most cases of C19...but the rate of death is 4 times higher in the 30-39yr age group, and 600 times higher in 85 yr olds and above.
Cases, Data, and Surveillance
Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.
www.cdc.gov
And then you have to factor in the morbidity issues as well to get a real accurate picture of the risk.
At this point with 70% of the U.S. population being vaxed and no apparent end in sight for this viruses and or it's eradication this is the New Normal. Covid is now part of our lifestyle. So we have to learn to deal with it, stop being in fear of it and accept the consequences and outcomes. Be smart or don't. Get vax'd or Don't. Wear a Mask or Don't. It's not complicated.
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One does doesn't cut it! I'd bet those numbers don't include the latest surge of this variant with YOUNG people and KIDS getting it, going being hospitalized and some dying from it. This would NOT have to be the new normal if people would just get the shots. Percentages be damned if it's your someone in your family, especially a kid!I think you are confusing numbers.....70% of Americans have had at least one dose of the shot.......45% of the unvaxed which is 30% of the population say they will hold steadfast and not get the vax.......35% say they doubt they will. So around 80% of the unvaxed probably will never get the vax's. 3% said they will get the vax a extremely small number and 16% said they probably would another less than stellar number which jives with the 700K you touted up as being Wonderful.
They have had incentives all across the country, giving out free beer, money etc. and the unvaxed are holding strong with small movements in that 20-19% of the total unvaxed who want the shot or say that they will..
Again I will not diminish Covid or it being lethal but clearly less than 1% of C19 deaths occur in children...18-29yr old's account for the most cases of C19...but the rate of death is 4 times higher in the 30-39yr age group, and 600 times higher in 85 yr olds and above.
Cases, Data, and Surveillance
Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.
And then you have to factor in the morbidity issues as well to get a real accurate picture of the risk.
At this point with 70% of the U.S. population being vaxed and no apparent end in sight for this viruses and or it's eradication this is the New Normal. Covid is now part of our lifestyle. So we have to learn to deal with it, stop being in fear of it and accept the consequences and outcomes. Be smart or don't. Get vax'd or Don't. Wear a Mask or Don't. It's not complicated.
If they do that is on them......they are adults, make choices and then can live with them. The Gov. doesn't need to dictate vax's and the general public should mind their own business on the subject
Again percentages and numbers are facts and tell the real story. The rest is just emotional and personal drivel driven by the Media to hype up click bait . You seem to have a unbalanced emotional investment in something that really is of no concern to you. Do you get this upset at a real threat to the young.....like Driving. Are you invested in raising the legal driving age to 21 years of age or even higher to protect that demographic. I seriously doubt it.
What Is The Number One Killer Of People Ages 5 to 29?
It is the ninth leading cause of death overall globally and resulted in about 1.35 million people dying in 2016 alone.
www.forbes.com
Fact is that you and everyone else is just immune to a real killer, we see it as common place, have a road side gathering, pray, cry and continue on. Soon dying from Covid will reach this status. As it should. This is called life.
Let those who want the vax get it and those who don't to refuse it. It is almost comical that you get so upset over something that is really of no concern to you.
Also my Cousin Scott died last week from Covid and a Good friend and mentor died Saturday from Covid. I haven't asked and won't if either where vaxed or not. It's none of my business as I respect what ever decisions they made in how they lived their lives. I will honor their life and decisions and grieve for them and their and my family that survives. They both will be missed.
But IT IS MY BUSINESS when the unvaxed are spreading a deadly virus!!
What part of murdering babies, a border fiasco, misleading CRT in our schools, Biden's mental faculty erosion, etc. etc. is none of my business or a load of crap?
I am not against the COVID vaccine. I asked my doctor about getting one and he told me I didn't need one because I had COVID. I got a second opinion and that doctor told me the exact same thing. The CDC says, "if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again". These are the same odds as people who get vaccinated. Why should I be forced then to get a vaccine?
Something that I still don't understand. Most vaccine pushers have NEVER spoken out against abortion. If they were truly concerned about human lives they would at least include the murdering of babies in their discussion at some point. Here are some stats directly from the CDC website:
The COVID-19 pandemic caused approximately 375,000 deaths in the United States during 2020.
In 2018, 619,591 legal induced abortions were reported to the CDC (this number is about the same for 2020)
If I were honestly concerned for human lives would I not be as active in denouncing abortion as I am people dying from COVID?
What else has Fox News, NewsMax, etc.. impressed on you ? The points that you list are all part of a tunnel vision mind set that you have bought into.
OK Pete, you are opposed to abortion. So am I. The balls in the Washington politicians' court. Abortion is always on the Repubs platform at election time. And they do nothing for 4 years about it, even when they held Congress. But they know to make it an issue at election time and can count on the Bible Belt vote, many who will vote on the abortion issue alone.
Back to covid - the unvaxers are also my business because watch our insurance premiums continue to skyrocket to pay for medical care for people who will continue to contract the virus.
Back to covid - the unvaxers are also my business because watch our insurance premiums continue to skyrocket to pay for medical care for people who will continue to contract the virus.
All I've ever heard about your immunity after having covid is that it will run out in about 6 months, pretty much the same thing they are saying could be the case with the shots. I actually know a couple of folks that had it last year and got the antibody test recently and it shows they no longer have antibodies.
The government has mandated several vaccines in my lifetime, kids couldn't go to school without them. What you and a lot of people don't get is this is NOT just about YOU! IT is a concern for me because they could give it to my grandkids and this variant has proven kids are quite vulnerable to it. You really need to get over your goofy argument about driving.Again percentages and numbers are facts and tell the real story. The rest is just emotional and personal drivel driven by the Media to hype up click bait . You seem to have a unbalanced emotional investment in something that really is of no concern to you. Do you get this upset at a real threat to the young.....like Driving. Are you invested in raising the legal driving age to 21 years of age or even higher to protect that demographic. I seriously doubt it.
What Is The Number One Killer Of People Ages 5 to 29?
It is the ninth leading cause of death overall globally and resulted in about 1.35 million people dying in 2016 alone.
Fact is that you and everyone else is just immune to a real killer, we see it as common place, have a road side gathering, pray, cry and continue on. Soon dying from Covid will reach this status. As it should. This is called life.
Let those who want the vax get it and those who don't to refuse it. It is almost comical that you get so upset over something that is really of no concern to you.
Also my Cousin Scott died last week from Covid and a Good friend and mentor died Saturday from Covid. I haven't asked and won't if either where vaxed or not. It's none of my business as I respect what ever decisions they made in how they lived their lives. I will honor their life and decisions and grieve for them and their and my family that survives. They both will be missed.
In a perfect world, abortion wouldn't be necessary but we all know that is not the case. Do people really think that if the courts toss Roe v Wade that abortion will be eliminated ? It will still be available for a steep price just like it was before the Roe decision made abortion legal for everyone.
You do know that the Vaxed also spread the virus
Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, CDC chief says | CNN
Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.
What made you think the vaxed where some how given a free pass to spreading the Virus? It has never worked that way...... Watch this you sort of remind me of this actor.
I will add this it is just a weird inconsistency from the Cult of Vaxers.....and many do fit the very frame work of a cult. I'm not saying all people who get vaxed...are in the cult but a lot of people are. They rebuke and shame people who choose not to. They twist and distort the facts and act like people who are not vaxed are more dangerous in public. It is sad and disgusting that they cannot let others live there lives as they see fit as they don't pose any threat.
Dude, seriously. This type of discourse is pointless. Here is is on the other side....What else has CNN, MSNBC, etc.. impressed on you ? The points that you list are all part of a tunnel vision mind set that you have bought into.
Whether you believe it or not I listen to around 5 minutes of TV news per day and it varies where I get it. I typically look up what is being said from Goggle searches. I do not subscribe to blind following. I do like being informed. I'd like to hear intelligent discourse, with researched information. I've changed my mind on many things once shown the evidence. I think most of the Republican presidents back to Reagan were idiots excluding Trump. Trump had good policies but should have shut his mouth. The only Democrat I've partially agreed with is Clinton. I list the border fiasco is because it's real. CNN won't tell that but I know people that live in McAllen and Yuma and they say it's a mess. If what Fox News says about the border isn't true then enlighten me. It's obvious that cities with liberal leaders are in trouble from policies, riots and terrible criminality. What did I list that isn't true, with hopefully, some researched truth?
That's between them and their insurance companies...really not your concern. Do you smoke? Drink? Eat foods with artificial ingredients? Do you ingest sugary Drinks...probably the worst killer of all?
We've already established that Driving is the Number 1 killer of the Young....
The over all killer in America is Heart Disease, #2 is Cancer. The things I listed above are what really kill people.
But strangely I see no Outrage or desire to pry into peoples personal lives from you to dictate their Diet and lifestyle. I guess you pick and choose based on your personal bias on what Type of Authoritarian action you want invoked.
Also long term the expedited death of people with morbidity issues will save Insurance companies money.....as the long term care over decades will end up costing more, than the short term treatment before they pass.
Natural immunity from contacting C19 could last from 90 days to 8 months a lot of factors at work on this. Immunity from Vax up to 6 months or longer again Factors.
Yes but those Vax where not experimental, they where proven to Work with minimal long term side effects that had been established so those people who where at Risk would not be forced to take them, there is always exemptions in most states. And Those Vax where not mandated for a Virus, a Virus that mutates and changes and has break through's thus people who are vaxed can get infected and even spread the infection.... again do a bit of research it's not complicated. C19 Vax's are good but not perfect and by no means near even 70% effective against the Delta outside of clinical trials. Also those vax where mandated for Children not adults in most cases(small pox)....and Parents didn't have to Vax their kids....they had choices private schools or homeschooling as well as other exemptions. IF they felt that the vax was not warranted or needed.
Getting the Vax does not keep you from Spreading the VIRUS. I thought this was a commonly known fact that everyone knew. Even with the Delta spike the numbers are no higher for children than the previous peak for children. And at this point there is no evidence that Delta is harder on Children than the Alpha or other variants. John Hopkins reported even with the uptick from the previous high most children are fine only have congestion, running nose and can be easily treated at home with normal care. If this changes so be it and we will have to Adjust. That is the nature of the beast.
You seem to be a very fearful person, and see boogie men around every corner. If this Virus scares you so much talk to your Children about Quarantining your Grandkids from the General Population. That is clearly your Off springs right. And leave everyone else to their lives. You and yours should adjust your lifestyle not expect to infringe on others and force them to adjust to your over wrought fears.
I use the Car analogy to show that you have a lack of ability to correlate actual risks and threats to data and demographics and to point out all your Opinions are biased by emotion as opposed to formulated by reason. I do get why you want to call actual data goofy ......because when facts are presented.. it clearly makes you look goofy when you compare the Death Rate from C19 of young children to the Death rates of young children to Driving. Your Grandkids have no risk from dying of Covid and a huge Risk of dying in a vehicle. But bury your head in the Sand if you please.
"Trump had good policies..?" Really..? I know people in Texas too who are totally fed up with Abbott and his backasswards ways. They are embarrassed of what their home state has become. Peddle your garbage somewhere else Pete... 🤮🤮🤮
You just made the case for wearing a mask in close quarters, just like the doctors and the CDC says you should do. From the beginning Fauci and others have said wearing a mask is much more about YOU not spreading the virus if you have it than it is to protect YOU from getting it. They now know that vaccinated people can read it on the others, but not nearly as much as unvaccinated people spreading it.You do know that the Vaxed also spread the virus
Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, CDC chief says | CNN
Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.www.cnn.com
What made you think the vaxed where some how given a free pass to spreading the Virus? It has never worked that way...... Watch this you sort of remind me of this actor.
1 shot gives you some immunity and not many people have that kind of reaction, too bad he had that and can't get the 2nd shot but that is no reason tell others nit to get it.
You need to check your facts, kids are getting very sick from this variant. Check with Mississippi, their University hospital just asked for federal help with staffing to get a unit set up in their parking garage so they can put some of the teenage patients there and keep the younger ones in the regular emergency rooms or covid unit. The head guy there I saw speaking on this just a little while ago said it was hard talking to kids about end of life issues for their parents but it's much harder now talking to parents about end of life issues for their kids.
And if people choose not to get vaccinated, they are the ones at risk. It's like saying, "You idiot, get vaccinated because I am trying to protect you from you. I know more of what you are supposed to be doing than you!!!!" But I am not against the vaccine. I am against losing my choice.
lmao. I'm done. I feel like I'm trying to have a discourse with a llama. Just a bunch of spitting to back someone off.
Do you not hear yourself??? Anyone can throw this "crap" out. Here it is....
"Biden had good policies..?" Really..? I know people in EVERYWHERE too who are totally fed up with Sleepy and his backasswards ways. They are embarrassed of what their country has become. Peddle your garbage somewhere else Homey... 🤮🤮🤮
Your turn to pick up a rock and throw.
😂PS Pete out on this convo.
NO they are NOT the only one at risk! What don't you people get about they are keeping this thang going when we could put the brakes on it if we can enough people vaccinated to cut down on the spread which leads to more variants. It ain't all about those who 'choose' not to get the shots, it affects all of us.
Pure and simple that is it... They are more concerned about their own so called freedom than protecting those around them.
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Nope because again you are misinformed and not doing your do diligence, they have done no studies that prove they are effective against C19. At most they mayo clinic says the can Slow the spread of the virus but that is just a assumption based on the idea that you follow the social distancing policies, hand wash regime and got the vax's. In other words they have done no peer review that Masking is worth a Darn. If you cough and sneeze sure a covering catches the droplets.....but a Virus is small enough to pass through the masks mesh unless it's a N95 or a similar mask.
Can face masks protect against COVID-19?
Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.
www.mayoclinic.org
Read all through what is necessary to make Mask's effective, it's laughable and I can assure you that most Medical facilities fall far short of any of the protocol listed. And again no one has done a long term study on the effectiveness of Mask's. And they won't do a study either because they don't want to know the answer to a legit peer reviewed analysis. And don't worry as I type this I'm wearing a mask per policy but following those guidelines is not realistic outside of a Isolation room or in surgery. But if Drinking Dr. Fs Kool-Aid gives you emotional comfort please continue to drink up.
Really......1 shot gives some people immunity and others none.....Plenty of people don't produce ant-bodies from vaccines. And again the immunity wears off in 6-8 months. And I agree reactions of the serious nature are rare......5 to every 10 million. But there is a risk. I mean getting the virus and dying is pretty rare as well as I have posted before. I mean Greene Co. is a hot spot 40,000 cases 570 have died....1.4% yeah that is gonna get me all worried. I mean men have a 21% chance of dying from cancer. But you continue to be bought in to the scare.
I literally quoted data from John Hopkins, actual collected data over a large portion of the nation. Hot spots are not the Norm....Mississippi has 1,000 students test positive.....you do know there is 500,000 school age children in that state right. And you do know that out of that 1,000 I bet that less than 1% die. I will not buy into the fear mongering of the Press or Hospital Administrators. I'm going to look at the data and death rates. And I'm going to ignore all the emotional BS they peddle to get secondary gain. That Spokes person should be ashamed of themselves for Spewing those Fear tactics and trying to scare Kids and Parents. Shameful and outright deceitful. But that is the new Norm.
If the death rate for Children hit's 30 or 40 percent then I will take notice. But not even that level is a extinction level event for the next generations.
What you can't seem to wrap your head around is that this is a virus and they mutate.....Look at all the variants we have now. And vax's can and do create new variants and new strains as they fight to evolve. The long and the short of it is this isn't going to go away, no matter the amount of Vaxing that's done or the amount of masking that is done or the amount of hand washing people do. This is now life get used to it and try to enjoy the limited time everyone has.
I feel like you don't understand how this works.....I already pointed out that the CDC and Dr.F stated that people who are vaxed can and do spread the virus. I literally posted that above. I mean even you kindred spirted angry actor came to that realization and was dumb founded. A new model the CDC is working is on is that the Vaccinated are the super spreaders......They carry the virus with a breakthrough case but show minimal to little symptoms and of course then go about Daily lives as is their right, infecting the unvaxed and other vaccinated people.
We have hit 70% vaccination rate.....you clearly don't understand that is a pretty high percent. I mean 7 out of 10 people you meet are Vax safe.....70 out of a 100....700 out of a 1,000. And guess what he virus still is going to mutate and it's still going to spread. I'm really in awe of how you believe this can be fixed, slowed or stopped by people getting vax'd or wearing mask's. That is just not reality. It never was, it was always a PR BS stunt to reduce fear.
Remember it was about flatting the Curve first, then it was about wearing masks and now it's about getting Vax'd. But guess what none of that has Stopped the China Virus...has it! We flattened the curve, we wear mask at a high percent and now 7 out of 10 are Vaxed.......but keep believing this is a simple fix.
I want to ask you this Obama had a big Bday Bash and photo's from that event...that they quickly begged to be deleted from SM......showed that they where not following CDC guidelines or really taking any basic precautions. Hundreds of people where Getting their Groove on and being super spreaders. Not a care in the world it would appear, for the Rules for thee not for me crowd.
Which makes me think that these elitist are not that concerned with C19.......probably because they simply look at the data and do a quick risk evaluation and move on. Maybe you should do the same.
On a side note I did get a giggle out of the MSM rushing to Protect them by telling the Serfs and Peasants that Obama and his ilk are Sophisticated and Vaccinated people...Sophisticated people LOL code word for elitist holier than thou garbage.
Again having the Vax's doesn't mean you can't have C19 and spread it, in fact the Vax are only 64% effective on the Delta and it could be lower....So out of 200 guest there could of been a lot of Super Spreaders....but I guess in their minds since they are Smarter, better and Superior to the rabble the Virus doesn't effect them. Science just doesn't apply to the elites.
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