Gun restriction vs. Abortion

[Skeeter_McCormack]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun the same way we treat a woman who wants to get an abortion? Mandatory 48 hour waiting period, note from doctor stating they know the risks involved, let's close down all but one gun shop in every state making him take off work, travel potentially hundreds of miles to stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding up pictures of loved ones killed by gun violence and calling him a murderer and begging him not to buy a gun.

Makes more sense to do it this way, since no woman getting an abortion has ever killed a roomful of people in seconds right?

 

[Duck_walk]

I have a new best friend.

 

[wcowherd]

Don't forget the transvaginal ultrasound.

 

[Wildcat98]

Skeeter you rock!!!

 

[ag-man]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun the same way we treat a woman who wants to get an abortion? Mandatory 48 hour waiting period, note from doctor stating they know the risks involved, let's close down all but one gun shop in every state making him take off work, travel potentially hundreds of miles to stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding up pictures of loved ones killed by gun violence and calling him a murderer and begging him not to buy a gun.

Makes more sense to do it this way, since no woman getting an abortion has ever killed a roomful of people in seconds right?

So if I want to buy a .22 to take my son rabbit hunting, I should have to go through just as many regulations as a women that wants to KILL her child? ...... Got it

The liberal mind, and the conservative mind, truly are different.

 

[Duck_walk]

So if I want to buy a .22 to take my son rabbit hunting, I should have to go through just as many regulations as a women that wants to KILL her child? ...... Got it

The liberal mind, and the conservative mind, truly are different.

Uhhh. I think you don't get it.
The point is your side is perfectly fine with regulating a vagina, but completely against regulating something used to murder people daily.

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

So if I want to buy a .22 to take my son rabbit hunting, I should have to go through just as many regulations as a women that wants to KILL her child? ...... Got it

The liberal mind, and the conservative mind, truly are different.

My sister in-law literally had a DNC performed this past Friday after it was discovered the child only had a 50% chance of even surviving full term and then a 99% chance of dying within a year assuming it was born. Risk to her own life was increased due to the complications. This was not an elective procedure, but she had to drive 3.5 hours not once, not twice, but three times, because no one in the greater Dexter area would perform the procedure. My wife went with her and expressed to me her fear that they would be hurt by the protesters.

I didn't even mention the financial burden this caused (it was pricy), but should a woman be forced to go through this much hassle for something that could potentially be life saving?

Don't just cavalierly throw out "wants to kill her child", she was thrilled when she found out she was pregnant and it was crushing to have to go through that. She didn't WANT that.

 

[ag-man]

Uhhh. I think you don't get it.
The point is your side is perfectly fine with regulating a vagina, but completely against regulating something used to murder people daily.

And children aren't " murdered daily" by abortion?

 

[ag-man]

My sister in-law literally had a DNC performed this past Friday after it was discovered the child only had a 50% chance of even surviving full term and then a 99% chance of dying within a year assuming it was born. Risk to her own life was increased due to the complications. This was not an elective procedure, but she had to drive 3.5 hours not once, not twice, but three times, because no one in the greater Dexter area would perform the procedure. My wife went with her and expressed to me her fear that they would be hurt by the protesters.

I didn't even mention the financial burden this caused (it was pricy), but should a woman be forced to go through this much hassle for something that could potentially be life saving?

Don't just cavalierly throw out "wants to kill her child", she was thrilled when she found out she was pregnant and it was crushing to have to go through that. She didn't WANT that.

My condolences, obviously, there are extenuating circumstances. My point is there have not been 55 MILLION extenuating circumstances since Roe vs Wade. Shame on us.

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

My condolences, obviously, there are extenuating circumstances. My point is there have not been 55 MILLION extenuating circumstances since Roe vs Wade. Shame on us.

Not being a smart alec, but are you a doctor? You have no clue what the % of that 55 million were extenuating circumstances. 1 in 5 pregnancies on average winds up with some sort of complication. I'm certainly not saying all 55 million were emergencies, but I would imagine a high enough number are that it warrants having that procedure accessible.

I'll say it again, an abortion never killed a roomful of people in seconds and yet they are harder to gain access to than guns. Something is wrong with that.

 

[Duck_walk]

And children aren't " murdered daily" by abortion?

You still don't get it

 

[ag-man]

Not being a smart alec, but are you a doctor? You have no clue what the % of that 55 million were extenuating circumstances. 1 in 5 pregnancies on average winds up with some sort of complication. I'm certainly not saying all 55 million were emergencies, but I would imagine a high enough number are that it warrants having that procedure accessible.

I'll say it again, an abortion never killed a roomful of people in seconds and yet they are harder to gain access to than guns. Something is wrong with that.

No I am not a doctor. But you state 1 in 5 pregnancies have a complication. I will take your word for that. That means 44 million were elective. Have guns killed 44 million in America since 1973 ?

Furthermore, I am not against common sense gun regulation , by the way.

Again, my condolences.

 

[vbsideout]

I know this is hard to understand. Abortions legal in USA Mass shootings are illegal in USA. There is no comparing the 2 it just doesn't work

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

No I am not a doctor. But you state 1 in 5 pregnancies have a complication. I will take your word for that. That means 44 million were elective. Have guns killed 44 million in America since 1973 ?

Ok let's redo the math and the logic here, I didn't say 1 in 5 abortions were due to complications, I said 1 in 5 PREGNANCIES. Rough estimate, how many pregnancies do you think have occurred in the United States since 1973? Do you think it's more or less than 300,000,000? Seeing as the population of the US is 300 million and some change, I would imagine it was at least that many, since 1/5 of 300 million is roughly that 55, 000, 000 we talked about earlier, is it POSSIBLE that a majority of the abortions obtained were for health reasons? Given HIPPAA laws, we'll never know, I'm simply asking is it possible? If it is possible, why are conservatives working so hard to restrict access to potentially life saving procedures, while making no effort to stop gun violence? You know, something that actually affects society.

 

[ag-man]

Ok let's redo the math and the logic here, I didn't say 1 in 5 abortions were due to complications, I said 1 in 5 PREGNANCIES. Rough estimate, how many pregnancies do you think have occurred in the United States since 1973? Do you think it's more or less than 300,000,000? Seeing as the population of the US is 300 million and some change, I would imagine it was at least that many, since 1/5 of 300 million is roughly that 55, 000, 000 we talked about earlier, is it POSSIBLE that a majority of the abortions obtained were for health reasons? Given HIPPAA laws, we'll never know, I'm simply asking is it possible? If it is possible, why are conservatives working so hard to restrict access to potentially life saving procedures, while making no effort to stop gun violence? You know, something that actually affects society.

As I stated, I am not against gun control measures that would reduce the possibility of these mass shootings.

I also do not see how you can say 55,000,000 abortions doesn't "affect society".

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

As I stated, I am not against gun control measures that would reduce the possibility of these mass shootings.

I also do not see how you can say 55,000,000 abortions doesn't "affect society".

The only people they actually impact are the women and sometimes the family involved.

What has a more negative societal impact an abortion, that really only affects the individuals involved, or a rampage shooting where 4 or more people are killed often more are wounded, not to mention the psychological impact on onlookers. Let's be real, what has the larger societal impact?

 

[Neutron Monster]

So if I want to buy a .22 to take my son rabbit hunting, I should have to go through just as many regulations as a women that wants to KILL her child? ...... Got it

The liberal mind, and the conservative mind, truly are different.

I see where both of you come from, but he does have a fair point that the R party supports using as much government as possible to prevent abortion but is completely unwilling to use government to lower the amount of gun-related deaths in the US.

you could make the same point about the Ds caring more about the living than the unborn.

 

[ag-man]

The only people they actually impact are the women and sometimes the family involved.

What has a more negative societal impact an abortion, that really only affects the individuals involved, or a rampage shooting where 4 or more people are killed often more are wounded, not to mention the psychological impact on onlookers. Let's be real, what has the larger societal impact?

Abortion,
More human life destroyed per year by far than mass shooters.

 

[Duck_walk]

Abortion,
More human life destroyed per year by far than mass shooters.

Yet two separate issues which should not repeatedly be lumped together. We have 300 million people in this country right now. Any of us could be killed by a mad man with a gun. None can be killed by an abortion.

 

[millerbleach]

1) I know several people who have had abortions. NONE due to pregnancy complications.
2) I do support government preventing individuals from being killed. Do you really equate that to wanting big government intervention? I guess I should oppose murder being illegal.
3) Laws do not stop people, punishment for breaking the law does. We have speed limits that are the law but people drive as fast (above the limit) as they can get away with. It is illegal (against the law) to cheat on your taxes. No one does that because we have laws against it.

 

[Neutron Monster]

#2 and #3 don't make a lick of sense. Punishment for breaking a law is not the only effective way to discourage undesirable behavior. There are a million of examples of other things we do that improve compliance with laws.

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

1) I know several people who have had abortions. NONE due to pregnancy complications.

I'm sure you do, people are usually very cavalier about sharing their elective abortion stories... *sarcasm off*

 

[vbsideout]

Abortion legal Mass killings illegal what about this is so hard to understand. People trying to get legislation on gun control have about the same chance as people trying to legislate abortion. Until then one is legal and one is illegal. Not everyone in this great country believes abortion is bad or a sin. Probably not as high as 50% or they would be able to change the law. I would say 95% or higher believe mass shootings are bad and still can change the laws. It's the American way. We as a country kill people all the time.

 

[ag-man]

Yet two separate issues which should not repeatedly be lumped together. We have 300 million people in this country right now. Any of us could be killed by a mad man with a gun. None can be killed by an abortion.

Except the innocent baby, how does he fair in an abortion ?

I wouldn't lump abortion with mass shooting if you guys would quit crying bout 6 or 8 people being killed by guns in an occurrence that happens 2 or 3 times a year, yet you have no problem with thousands being killed every year legally by a doctor.

 

[Duck_walk]

Except the innocent baby, how does he fair in an abortion ?

I wouldn't lump abortion with mass shooting if you guys would quit crying bout 6 or 8 people being killed by guns in an occurrence that happens 2 or 3 times a year, yet you have no problem with thousands being killed every year legally by a doctor.

Abortion is legal. And you showed me on the other thread you are an idiot.

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

Except the innocent baby, how does he fair in an abortion ?

I wouldn't lump abortion with mass shooting if you guys would quit crying bout 6 or 8 people being killed by guns in an occurrence that happens 2 or 3 times a year, yet you have no problem with thousands being killed every year legally by a doctor.

There have been 994 mass shootings in the US since 2012, that's way more than 2 or 3 a year.

 

[Duck_walk]

There have been 994 mass shootings in the US since 2012, that's way more than 2 or 3 a year.

And none of them have anything to do with abortion .

 

[The Rumor]

Except the innocent baby, how does he fair in an abortion ?

I wouldn't lump abortion with mass shooting if you guys would quit crying bout 6 or 8 people being killed by guns in an occurrence that happens 2 or 3 times a year, yet you have no problem with thousands being killed every year legally by a doctor.

Generally the people fired up about mass killings are also fired up about other gun violence. These aren't mutually exclusive groups of people.

 

[WCS Coach]

The problem isn't guns or loose gun laws. The problem is this country has become a Godless society with little value for human life. Abortion is a great example of that.

 

[The Rumor]

The problem isn't guns or loose gun laws. The problem is this country has become a Godless society with little value for human life. Abortion is a great example of that.

The rate of gun violence has declined as the rate of religiosity has declined. Nice try. The same is true of other crimes.

America is a much less violent place that it was 20-30 years ago.

 

[WCS Coach]

I'm not surprised you don't get it. The heart of man is the issue, not the guns.

 

[The Rumor]

So our hearts have become less angry as we turn away from God???

 

[WCS Coach]

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that when you remove God from the society don't be surprised with things like this.

 

[ag-man]

Abortion is legal. And you showed me on the other thread you are an idiot.

So,......I guess you can't answer the question?

 

[HannibalLector]

You repubs are spin masters

 

[Skeeter_McCormack]

So,......I guess you can't answer the question?

I answered you.

 

[Kenny56]

The rate of gun violence has declined as the rate of religiosity has declined. Nice try. The same is true of other crimes.

America is a much less violent place that it was 20-30 years ago.

And gun ownership is up! Problem solved!

 

[ag-man]

I answered you.

Yes you did Skeeter, 994 shootings in 4 years is more than 2 or 3 a year, my bad. Was as many lives lost in those shootings as there were in the abortions that took place in that same time frame?

We both agree, these shootings are horrible, and we as a society need to try to stop it. So why can we not agree that killing a child before they were born is horrible.

Duck says it's legal. Does that make it right?

 

[Duck_walk]

It's legal. In the eyes of this great nation, that makes it right. I'm not addressing this topic any more. I will be happy to discuss ridding the world of guns any time you wish, just keep the two topics separate. Get your own thread.

 

[ag-man]

It's legal. In the eyes of this great nation, that makes it right. I'm not addressing this topic any more. I will be happy to discuss ridding the world of guns any time you wish, just keep the two topics separate. Get your own thread.

And who started the topic discussing both ?