Cardinal Ritter 0 - 7?
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Oh, please. Any AD worth his/her salt knows that if a player and/or coach gets kicked out of a game, they have to sit out their next contest. Doesn't have to be the next contest in that sport, if they're a multi-sport player or coach. Hell, even an old, grouchy, wore-slick sports writer in central Mercer County, Missouri, knows that.
Wow...Over 7,000 views. I posted a few weeks back about how CR was flying under the radar and questioned why there was so much hatred for Lutheran North. I was wrong. Maybe there is so much hatred in here for ALL private schools. Forget the multiplier and a separate Private school State Championship...maybe their needs to be as separate chat forum for Public and Private schools. The hate is real.
Hard to plead ignorance, when they went to such great lengths to hide it.
Coaches loathe cheaters no matter their classification.
You've already got many advantages. Follow the dang rules.
Hate come on, nobody hates private schools, we hate how they can skirt the rules. There was a time when the private schools had maybe one or two great players filling their roster and for the most part you could balance it out. Now we are seeing some small St Louis private schools stocking their rosters with more 4 and 5 star recruits than a lot of D1 colleges. The push to get talent has created a breeding ground for corruption and rule breaking.
As of now the MSHSAA site does not list the forfeits as losses. Of course that is subject to change but at present it does not appear Ritter will have the required number of contests to qualify for district play.
Sorry, comes with the territory when you're the AD. Like it or not, you're the top and responsible for those who work for you. Everyone associated knew that what they were doing was wrong... AD, Coaches and players. It's a shame for the kids, yes but actions result in consequences. Suffer the consequences and you'll consider the actions in the future. We all get to learn that lesson as kids. Sometimes it's minor. Sometimes it's major.
Actually they show as forfeits now. They gone.
https://www.mshsaa.org/MySchool/Schedule.aspx?s=511&alg=19
I understand, but do they get credit for having "scheduled" the contests? Or, is it as if they never existed since they were undertaken in violation of the rules?
If the only penalty is forfeiture of 7 games, nothing has really changed, it will be LN and Ritter in the district championship game.
The Political Crap board would be a good fit. Or maybe St Louis Cardinals Playoff Central forum. Nothing going on there anyway.
that SMU style 30 for 30 doc on the STL Private School Boom is gonna be amazing.
So, is the player inelligible or not. If he was just inelligible for one game, are the forfeits for not reporting? If so, why just 7 games?
from what I read, because the player never has served the one game suspension. So he’s been ineligible until that suspension is served.
You say "snitch". I say "trustworthy, honest, Good Samaritan, someone with integrity, etc."
School officials knew, each team has to fill out an eligibility roster and verify it and submit it to MSHSAA. If they pretend like they did not know then they should be fired for not knowing how to do their job.
So did anyone ever find out if this freshman kid ever existed or is this a Ron Mexico situation?
He should be ineligible for 365 days for playing under a false name according to Mshsaa bylaws.
I for one am taking much joy in someone that was cheating so blatantly getting busted. Institutional Darwin Award for this one.
He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Ritter’s AD tell it, anybody could have played for them. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
MSHSAA either needs to clean up the private school mess (recruiting, cheating, etc.) or just have separate public-private playoffs. The prospect of Ritter or Lutheran North competing against a legit class 2 rural town in the playoffs is a complete joke. JMO.
MSHSAA Football Manual 2019:
1(F)(12) Forfeited Games: Forfeited games which are not played or which are started and not completed will count as wins or losses (with a point differential of +13 or -13). All emphasis is mine and I use it to point out that these forfeits are NOT either of those listed. These are forfeits for rules violations. However MSHSAA show them as -13 on their website. It appears to me that they are angling for a way to salvage Ritter's season in contravention of their own rules.
Since games forfeited for rules violations do not enjoy the point differential award in 1)F)(12), it would appear that they are to be considered a nullity and are to be treated as if they do not exist. As such, Ritter would not have the required 5 game minimum to qualify for post season play.
But more importantly this is a case truly deserving of the college equivalent of the death penalty. The lack of institutional control merits their disqualification for this year. Anything less is truly a middle digit salute to all programs who are doing things right.
1(F)(12) Forfeited Games: Forfeited games which are not played or which are started and not completed will count as wins or losses (with a point differential of +13 or -13). All emphasis is mine and I use it to point out that these forfeits are NOT either of those listed. These are forfeits for rules violations. However MSHSAA show them as -13 on their website. It appears to me that they are angling for a way to salvage Ritter's season in contravention of their own rules.
Since games forfeited for rules violations do not enjoy the point differential award in 1)F)(12), it would appear that they are to be considered a nullity and are to be treated as if they do not exist. As such, Ritter would not have the required 5 game minimum to qualify for post season play.
But more importantly this is a case truly deserving of the college equivalent of the death penalty. The lack of institutional control merits their disqualification for this year. Anything less is truly a middle digit salute to all programs who are doing things right.
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If I was a betting man I think someone lawyered up Either the kid or coach. Everything has grinded to a halt.
When Missouri schools play who is responsible for making sure the coaches follow the rules? This all seems like a premeditated ruse and more than just the coach would need to be involved. A roster was printed with a fake name, a different Jersey was brought to the game. Some obscure freshmen carried the ball for 100 yards lead the team onto the field and then quietly slipped into the night never to be heard from again and nobody from this school administration ever questioned that? Much less realized the kid was not on the team? I call bull....
Well I knew Rudy's number and if I would have seen it go off for 100 yards against USC I think several people just listening to the radio would go what the hell and openly question it.
Frankly, the last time I attended a CR game, there weren’t very many parents actually in attendance so I don’t know how much they would know. But the kids know.
The only reason they have more points is because they have played up classes on a few occasions.
He played in those games without doing the one game suspension I would think. SO if they play tonight they need to not let him dress out or it will be a forfeit also
From what I see the freshman kid is a real player and has played since then on defense.
I also believe the AD may not have been aware before it happened but had to have figured it out after even if he wasn't at the game. Meaning he should of turned it in as a violation & fired the coach immediately. Since people of authority are supposed to set an example to the students I don't see anyway the head coach & AD should be retained.
But I realize what the coach may have been doing. This could of been bigger to him than winning a game. With this win the team was noticed as the number one team in the country. Think of his payday at the end of the year by moving to a NCAA program like Trinity's head coach. High school coaches make next to nothing & this could of taken care of him for life. No excuse but can see his reasoning.
Hey in the NCAA you either get a promotion or fired depending on how something like this ruse plays out.
I can see some D1 coaching hiring him and thinking hey he could be a good scapegoat sometime down the line.
We’re forgetting about every other coach on staff. They’re adults as well and are just as guilty as the HC. They are also complicit. Even if this was HCs idea if the other men didn’t go along with this, it doesn’t happen.
