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Interesting. I've spoken to one COC AD that laid out the plan they gave the COC when they told the conference they were leaving. The Big 8 wasn't mentioned at all. But, as we all know, things change Mox.
Similar story here Eagles, prominent person in Big 8 circles told me the big 8 admins unanimously voted no to extending an invitation to CJ,
and that CJ was looking at "all their options"
But that was a couple weeks ago, and we all know that things can change.
 
This would be:

4 class 4
4 class 3
2 class 2

Cassville is close to class 4 and have had some growth.
 
Similar story here Eagles, prominent person in Big 8 circles told me the big 8 admins unanimously voted no to extending an invitation to CJ,
and that CJ was looking at "all their options"
But that was a couple weeks ago, and we all know that things can change.
Yeah, I've got to be honest...I'd be pretty surprised if that Bolivar, Marshfield, Rog, CJ, West Plains, Branson conference didn't happen at the point. I've spoken with multiple folks involved with a few of those districts that have all heard the same thing from their admin. But again, stuff can change.
 
Yeah, I've got to be honest...I'd be pretty surprised if that Bolivar, Marshfield, Rog, CJ, West Plains, Branson conference didn't happen at the point. I've spoken with multiple folks involved with a few of those districts that have all heard the same thing from their admin. But again, stuff can change.
This makes the most sense to me. I can't think of another reason that Rogersville and Marshfield would leave the Big 8. They must have somewhere to go. However why would Bolivar leave the OC? Seems like a good set up got them
 
CJ won't be going to the Big 8, from what I am hearing. I think they go with LR, Marshfield, Bolivar, Branson, WP and maybe Neosho!
 
This makes the most sense to me. I can't think of another reason that Rogersville and Marshfield would leave the Big 8. They must have somewhere to go. However why would Bolivar leave the OC? Seems like a good set up got them
If travel is the issue for Marshfield and LogRog in the Big 8? Then why invite CJ when they will drive right by 4-5 Big 8 schools on the way to CJ plus two COC and a slew of Ozark schools?

This all has to be one of the craziest things I have ever seen or heard in a long time.
 
If travel is the issue for Marshfield and LogRog in the Big 8? Then why invite CJ when they will drive right by 4-5 Big 8 schools on the way to CJ plus two COC and a slew of Ozark schools?

This all has to be one of the craziest things I have ever seen or heard in a long time.
It may have been wanting to play schools their size instead of travel.
 
Numerous sources now from multiple school districts involved. I think sometimes we get swayed by the opinions of this Board and start turning them into fact.

Generally it’s been stated many times on here that “CJ burned their bridges” and “there’s no way the Big 8 would take them back!”

Should we have really believed that? School Administrators change, ADs change, times change. Level heads look at it and say “this just adds more prestige to the conference, and most of us can compete with them (and beat them often enough) and that it will make us better too.”

The smallest Big 8 schools are competing just fine with the Class 4 schools like Mac County, Nevada, Monett, Aurora, Marshfield. CJ didn’t grow like everyone thought they would.

And lastly, while there’s a pretty big disparity in Class 4 schools trying to compete with Class 6 schools (maybe a thousand more students filling those athletic spots), the disparity is not the same between competitive Class 2 football like Lamar (60+ on their roster every year) and Class 4 CJ (maybe 70 on the roster at a the better years).

And we all know Lamar isn’t afraid of CJ or frankly playing anyone else.
100% Yeah the burned their bridge back in the day. However if these Big 8 schools don't find somebody else willing to join that is close they could be traveling a long ways to find a non conference game. I still have nightmares about that trip to California MO back in 16-17.

I think a lot can be forgiven when those Big 8 AD try to start trying to find one game a year.
 
Pittsburg is desperate for local football games. They drive to KC, Wichita and Emporia now. Aren't there NW Arkansas schools to play?
 
It may have been wanting to play schools their size instead of travel.
Makes no sense because they have never been able to compete with the smallest schools in the conference?

And they left the small COC because they were getting tired of getting their @#$$ ran over by Bolivar, They Big 8 want Bolivar instead of Catholic but it was Marshfield Log Rog and Reeds who begged the Big 8 to take Catholic instead.

And they haven't shown they can compete with Lamar Seneca MV so playing CJ is going to be better?
 
Makes no sense because they have never been able to compete with the smallest schools in the conference?

And they left the small COC because they were getting tired of getting their @#$$ ran over by Bolivar, They Big 8 want Bolivar instead of Catholic but it was Marshfield Log Rog and Reeds who begged the Big 8 to take Catholic instead.

And they haven't shown they can compete with Lamar Seneca MV so playing CJ is going to be better?
I can't explain why Bolivar and WP would leave the OC.
 
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100% Yeah the burned their bridge back in the day. However if these Big 8 schools don't find somebody else willing to join that is close they could be traveling a long ways to find a non conference game. I still have nightmares about that trip to California MO back in 16-17.

I think a lot can be forgiven when those Big 8 AD try to start trying to find one game a year.
I’d say finding 1 game a year would be appealing to a lot of schools. The east newtons of the world can go find a softer game to give them a break from the big 8.

A Nevada, Lamar, Seneca are all close enough to state lines and a lot of other regions that they could find a good game to suit them.

If Lamar has to travel a long ways 1 time every 2 years, I’d say they would take that in order to find a good game against an opponent that will make them better.
 
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Pittsburg is desperate for local football games. They drive to KC, Wichita and Emporia now. Aren't there NW Arkansas schools to play?
Pittsburg is middling in KS 5A in my opinion. They come up to Smithville Friday after next I doubt that is competitive at all. Perhaps they could schedule someone like Harrison or Mountain Home???
 
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Pittsburg is middling in KS 5A in my opinion. They come up to Smithville Friday after next I doubt that is competitive at all. Perhaps they could schedule someone like Harrison or Mountain Home???
True for this year but that is enough for a lot of Big 8 teams
 
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Pittsburg is middling in KS 5A in my opinion. They come up to Smithville Friday after next I doubt that is competitive at all. Perhaps they could schedule someone like Harrison or Mountain Home???
And Colgan is 5-0 .

Wonder if that has anything to do with the lack of success at the public school.
 
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I can't explain why Bolivar and WP would leave the OC.
You guys have to start thinking with something other than a football helmet on. I've said it multiple times on here, and I'll do it again. This isn't big time college athletics. The decision isn't made solely for football. I can promise that.
 
I’d say finding 1 game a year would be appealing to a lot of schools. The east newtons of the world can go find a softer game to give them a break from the big 8.

A Nevada, Lamar, Seneca are all close enough to state lines and a lot of other regions that they could find a good game to suit them.

If Lamar has to travel a long ways 1 time every 2 years, I’d say they would take that in order to find a good game against an opponent that will make them better.
Can they? Maybe, but you are talking 9 games needed by the Big 8 schools. That is one schools complete schedule. That is why the way the big 8 was set up convinced many to go that route. Lots of schools were looking for games and who is going to be open on that one friday you need to find a game, or will they be open.

So just asking who do you think might have openings locally?
But then we don't know what is going to happen to the COC or Ozark, maybe Webb Carthage Joplin will be looking for games.
 
Can they? Maybe, but you are talking 9 games needed by the Big 8 schools. That is one schools complete schedule. That is why the way the big 8 was set up convinced many to go that route. Lots of schools were looking for games and who is going to be open on that one friday you need to find a game, or will they be open.

So just asking who do you think might have openings locally?
But then we don't know what is going to happen to the COC or Ozark, maybe Webb Carthage Joplin will be looking for games.
We should do away with conferences and let mshsaa set us up in districts.

Just make sure you have a coach on the 'yourfavoritesports' committee!!!
 
You guys have to start thinking with something other than a football helmet on. I've said it multiple times on here, and I'll do it again. This isn't big time college athletics. The decision isn't made solely for football. I can promise that.
Then why leave? If the decision was not for football everyone of those schools could compete in another sport in the conference? It is not like one school was dominating in several sports? The big 8 was pretty competitive in all sports if you take away football.
 
The Big 8 will be fine scheduling out of conference games as long as local conferences are also less than 10 teams. If LR, Marshfield, Branson, etc. do form a conference then most of those teams will likely schedule Big 8 teams anyway because it looks like that conference will also be less than 10 teams. So, what are they really gaining? Most of those teams are in the Big 8 east and will likely have to schedule Big 8 west teams again. They are playing what 2 cross over games now.......so maybe 1 less game?
 
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The Big 8 will be fine scheduling out of conference games as long as local conferences are also less than 10 teams. If LR, Marshfield, Branson, etc. do form a conference then most of those teams will likely schedule Big 8 teams anyway because it looks like that conference will also be less than 10 teams. So, what are they really gaining? Most of those teams are in the Big 8 east and will likely have to schedule Big 8 west teams again. They are playing what 2 cross over games now.......so maybe 1 less game?
That is why I don't think this is for travel
 
I will say when the Big expanded it was because out of conference games were getting harder and harder to find. If a new conference is formed and they have 10 teams. It will be challenging for 9 teams to all find 1 game.
 
Bolivar is the smallest OC school. West Plains is the third smallest OC school. The new conference, which is pretty much the OG COC, makes a lot of sense.
 
If travel is the issue for Marshfield and LogRog in the Big 8? Then why invite CJ when they will drive right by 4-5 Big 8 schools on the way to CJ plus two COC and a slew of Ozark schools?

This all has to be one of the craziest things I have ever seen or heard in a long time.
I will just say that there is a big difference in making that trip once every other year vs making it mulitple times every year
 
Can they? Maybe, but you are talking 9 games needed by the Big 8 schools. That is one schools complete schedule. That is why the way the big 8 was set up convinced many to go that route. Lots of schools were looking for games and who is going to be open on that one friday you need to find a game, or will they be open.

So just asking who do you think might have openings locally?
But then we don't know what is going to happen to the COC or Ozark, maybe Webb Carthage Joplin will be looking for games.
Yea, I’d say a lot of out of state teams (Nevada, Lamar, Seneca, mac, east newton) would be good options.
Also a lot of other conferences don’t has 10 teams. What 2 or 3a school wouldn’t line up to play Monett?
And like you alluded to, it sounds like a lot of other schools in the area are going to have some openings coming up as well.
 
Colgan would get turbo clocked by Lamar, Seneca, Nevada. In the Big 8, I’d say Colgan would be a 4 or 5 win team max.
2-3 imo. I think (for the most part) KS football is far from Mo. Andale is the only impressive small school KS team at least in comparison to the small powerhouses here.

They’d beat the brakes off of Hollister and Springfield Catholic, but most others are not certain.
 
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If you are a Missouri school playing a school in another state what does that do to that on the points for districts etc.?
 
Colgan would get turbo clocked by Lamar, Seneca, Nevada. In the Big 8, I’d say Colgan would be a 4 or 5 win team max.
I have a number of friends with ties to Colgan. Most of the who's who in or around Pburg are associated with the school which negatively affects PHS. Their sports tend to do well against other small schools. As an example I remember they had a basketball team a few years ago that was like 20-1 and supposedly a top ranked team. The one loss was to a Carthage team that could barely compete in the COC. So they are better than other small schools but not a regional magnet for athletes, just a very favorable genetic and economic makeup compared to other small Kansas schools. They don't or at least didn't have a multiplier in Kansas so they were beating very small rural schools and that drew a lot of criticism.
 
If you are a Missouri school playing a school in another state what does that do to that on the points for districts etc.?
I believe it is treated as if you are playing someone of your same class or lower. You get not added points regardless of the out of state school size.
 
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COC Superintendents are meeting today.

2 Schools are officially out--I am hearing Branson (which we've known already) and CJ.
 
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