Who will be the team that beats Webb this year??

[Webbzone]

Because its not about a drop off of great athletic kids. They seldom have the most on the field in many games each season. Webb is probably in the top five best coached (12th grade and under) schools in the country. The system starts in elementary school. Give coach Rod 3-4 D1 kids and see what happens. (He never has that) When another class 4 team is loaded with talent, Webb falls- sometimes. And, don't think coach Rod hasn't had better offers, but he stays. Webbs run will fade one day.

 

[hitch_and_go]

Webb almost always has a d1 kid on the field . They don't have one every year so they may be an underclassmen but their is always one in the mix. Most of Webb's d1 talent are lineman. Almost all of them actually

 

[hitch_and_go]

Nm

 

[AC100]

Because its not about a drop off of great athletic kids. They seldom have the most on the field in many games each season. Webb is probably in the top five best coached (12th grade and under) schools in the country. The system starts in elementary school. Give coach Rod 3-4 D1 kids and see what happens. (He never has that) When another class 4 team is loaded with talent, Webb falls- sometimes. And, don't think coach Rod hasn't had better offers, but he stays. Webbs run will fade one day.

Webb wins because they have the best players combined with an amazing coach. However, if you gave Rod the kids CJ is going to have over the next 5 years, he would have a losing record.

 

[hitch_and_go]

Nm

 

[Jomjam]

Webb wins because they have the best players combined with an amazing coach. However, if you gave Rod the kids CJ is going to have over the next 5 years, he would have a losing record.

How do they consistently have the best kids? Is the elementary program that is running same plays so that when the kids get to high school, they have been in the program for many years?

 

[bueno_Tuco]

Webb wins because they have the best players combined with an amazing coach. However, if you gave Rod the kids CJ is going to have over the next 5 years, he would have a losing record.

I dunno. As a head coach for 20 years he has never had a losing record. I would have to think that in 20 years a couple of classes wouldn’t have been very good

 

[anon_ijjn3x9baf01k]

Webb wins because they have the best players combined with an amazing coach. However, if you gave Rod the kids CJ is going to have over the next 5 years, he would have a losing record.

Webb has one of the best youth football programs around. CJ's youth program has had many problems. I don't know how anyone can actually know what CJ has. By the time 7th grade comes they seem to be behind other schools. Coach Rod could easily win with CJ juniors. CJ junior class has beaten Webb's juniors, and Carthage's, and Joplin's. Actually they have also beaten the rest of the COC. Several of the most talented juniors aren't playing this year (for different reasons). The level drops off after juniors. There doesn't seem to be enough in other classes to help the junior class, unlike the other area schools. Also--CJ seems to love band more than football.

 

[JNreturns]

Because its not about a drop off of great athletic kids. They seldom have the most on the field in many games each season. Webb is probably in the top five best coached (12th grade and under) schools in the country. The system starts in elementary school. Give coach Rod 3-4 D1 kids and see what happens. (He never has that) When another class 4 team is loaded with talent, Webb falls- sometimes. And, don't think coach Rod hasn't had better offers, but he stays. Webbs run will fade one day.

Only winning one title out of the last four championships is a bit of a fade, don't you think?

 

[AC100]

Webb has one of the best youth football programs around. CJ's youth program has had many problems. I don't know how anyone can actually know what CJ has. By the time 7th grade comes they seem to be behind other schools. Coach Rod could easily win with CJ juniors. CJ junior class has beaten Webb's juniors, and Carthage's, and Joplin's. Actually they have also beaten the rest of the COC. Several of the most talented juniors aren't playing this year (for different reasons). The level drops off after juniors. There doesn't seem to be enough in other classes to help the junior class, unlike the other area schools. Also--CJ seems to love band more than football.

I am not trying to be negative at all. I admire what Webb has done. It just seems like they never have a down year like every other school has. When other Webb coaches have coached elsewhere they were not nearly as successful, so it can't just be the coaches.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

Only winning one title out of the last four championships is a bit of a fade, don't you think?

Yep,,,,,,have a runner up trophy and a semifinal one,,,,won district the other year I think so wheels haven’t exactly came off.

Nobody from NW Mo will be able to play with them this year so might as well be looking at about 2021 for your next shot

 

[bueno_Tuco]

I am not trying to be negative at all. I admire what Webb has done. It just seems like they never have a down year like every other school has. When other Webb coaches have coached elsewhere they were not nearly as successful, so it can't just be the coaches.

Go to the Webb City Booster Club Facebook page and look at the mass of kids that showed up for the Future Cardinals Camp recently. That pretty much tells you everything(and as has been noted on here be others, numbers are a bit down this year for some reason)

 

[Bear_Eagle]

Because its not about a drop off of great athletic kids. They seldom have the most on the field in many games each season. Webb is probably in the top five best coached (12th grade and under) schools in the country. The system starts in elementary school. Give coach Rod 3-4 D1 kids and see what happens. (He never has that) When another class 4 team is loaded with talent, Webb falls- sometimes. And, don't think coach Rod hasn't had better offers, but he stays. Webbs run will fade one day.

No I'd say that Webb does have as many (or more) athletes on the field 12 out of 14 games each year. Webb gets high numbers out which is huge when building or maintaining a program . They almost always seem to have a D1 kid on the field. Thats not saying Coach Rod doesn't do a great job in development of players and he is masterful in game adjustments

 

[AC100]

No I'd say that Webb does have as many (or more) athletes on the field 12 out of 14 games each year. Webb gets high numbers out which is huge when building or maintaining a program . They almost always seem to have a D1 kid on the field. Thats not saying Coach Rod doesn't do a great job in development of players and he is masterful in game adjustments

Nixa and Kickapoo have way more kids to choose from and have been down for a few years now. I don't think it is just about getting kids out. At all schools you should have a drought.

 

[shoot90draw]

Go to the Webb City Booster Club Facebook page and look at the mass of kids that showed up for the Future Cardinals Camp recently. That pretty much tells you everything(and as has been noted on here be others, numbers are a bit down this year for some reason)

Booster club Facebook page huh? You read this @BoosterBosko Do you have Ampipe this advanced?

 

[bueno_Tuco]

Nixa and Kickapoo have way more kids to choose from and have been down for a few years now. I don't think it is just about getting kids out. At all schools you should have a drought.

I don’t think you get to choose.

It’s how many kids in the community who are excited to work their tails off from the time they are a young child.

 

[19WebbCity99]

The current sixth grade class has a total of 425+ kids (largest ever for Webb) in the grade and they have some amazing young talent. The future doesn't have a numbers drop-off from what I can see as long as they have the want to play. If they are not class 5 before then, they surely will be when they arrive as freshmen.

 

[AC100]

The current sixth grade class has a total of 425+ kids (largest ever for Webb) in the grade and they have some amazing young talent. The future doesn't have a numbers drop-off from what I can see as long as they have the want to play. If they are not class 5 before then, they surely will be when they arrive as freshmen.

The important part of that is that they have some great athletes in the class. They seem to have that in every class when no other school does.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

The important part of that is that they have some great athletes in the class. They seem to have that in every class when no other school does.

There is a clandestine Soviet style facility in the old mining underground tunnels where children are taken as soon as off of mothers milk to begin their training

 

[Bear_Eagle]

Nixa and Kickapoo have way more kids to choose from and have been down for a few years now. I don't think it is just about getting kids out. At all schools you should have a drought.

Im not saying thats the only factor but numbers are huge when maintaining a winning program. I think Webb had like 150/160 kids out last year thats huge numbers for a school that size. Id be shocked if Kickapoo had that many. Lamar is another example I think its something crazy like 40%/45% of males in the school go out for football. Webb city is probably close to 25% which is better than most schools in Missouri.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Do you guys see the same issues in that area that we see in St Louis, where a family moves to the town so their kid can go to Joplin, or Webb or CJ, for either academic or sports? Or is their too much community pride to do that type of move?
There are kids here in STL that will move from Maplewood to play basketball in Webster Groves, as an example.

I think people move for all reasons, Right now Carthage, Joplin, Carl, Webb all have some positives going for them in football, but that is about all they have going for them right now, trying to think when was the last time any of those towns won a state title in any other sport?

 

[sw5890]

I did not initially think Carthage or Joplin had much chance against Webb this year but the more I've looked into it I'm not so sure. Carthage is returning a lot more experience than I realized, some people are saying it may be one of the best teams they have had but of course you never know exactly how a group will play as a team. The coaches have been downplaying it, but some fans or parents I've talked to are pretty excited about what they've got. So who knows, it may be a good game and I'm sure Carthage fans are excited to finally get to host their neighbor/rival in their new place.

Joplin lost more than Carthage but a lot of their key playmakers are still out there so I'm not writing them off either.

 

[Team Tiger]

If you have 30+ boys, odds are you will have a couple good athletes. Now are they playing football, not always. If they are, are they putting in the effort to maximize there athleticism. I think that is something Webb, Lamar, BO, Maryville, etc. are good at, getting the good athletes on the field and getting them ready to play along with the not so athletic kids. My experience has been a awkward flat footed kid who has been in the weight room all summer and takes coaching well will hold his own against an out of shape out and out of position athlete.

 

[mizzoutiger13]

Because its not about a drop off of great athletic kids. They seldom have the most on the field in many games each season. Webb is probably in the top five best coached (12th grade and under) schools in the country. The system starts in elementary school. Give coach Rod 3-4 D1 kids and see what happens. (He never has that) When another class 4 team is loaded with talent, Webb falls- sometimes. And, don't think coach Rod hasn't had better offers, but he stays. Webbs run will fade one day.

2014 Webb had 3-4 DI and that team was ranked in the top 25 nationally.
Kiante Hardin WR/DB - Minnesota (now at Pitt State for off the field incident)
Dalton Ford OL - Arkansas State
Trystan Castillo OL - Mizzou (will be a 4 year starter)
Kaden Roy LB - South Dakota St (now at Pitt St)

 

[Jomjam]

2014 Webb had 3-4 DI and that team was ranked in the top 25 nationally.
Kiante Hardin WR/DB - Minnesota (now at Pitt State for off the field incident)
Dalton Ford OL - Arkansas State
Trystan Castillo OL - Mizzou (will be a 4 year starter)
Kaden Roy LB - South Dakota St (now at Pitt St)

Did all of those kids come up through the system, or did they move there for football?

I want to reiterate i am just curious. I find the success Webb has had so long very interesting.

 

[NorthWestBleachers]

I also see Carthage as a threat this year ... they get much less press but have some crazy talented kids.

 

[sw5890]

Did all of those kids come up through the system, or did they move there for football?

I want to reiterate i am just curious. I find the success Webb has had so long very interesting.

There was a similar discussion a couple years ago regarding why is WC so good every year. In my opinion it's not any one thing but a combination of several. In no particular order-

• Coach Rod
  
• Youth programs are tightly managed to develop kids that know the system.
• Community support and fanfare drives up participation which drives up potential talent pool.
• Numbers - the size of the roster is insane for a C4 school.
• Geographic location makes living in WC very practical no matter where a parent works in the Joplin area. It's not a huge 'metro' area but I think around 200,000 people and many of the most sports obsessed families choose Webb City.
  
• Reputation - families new to the area frequently (and sometimes families from adjacent communities) move to WC to get their kids into WC sports. Some downplay this as rare but I see it happen all the time, not so much varsity but elementary age. And yes some people move their for other reasons but most of the people I know mentioned football/baseball/softball as the primary motivation. Sometimes this brings in D1 talent but if nothing else it brings in kids who are exceptionally eager to buy-in to a proven system.
• Confidence knowing that a state title is a legit goal. This gives WC teams a huge mental advantage in my opinion. On the flip side their opponents come to games scared, full of doubt and ready to make uncharacteristic mistakes. I think this is WC's intangible secret weapon.
• Culture/blue collar work ethic. Maybe not as much as a factor it was back in the 80s and 90s but it's still a thing that old-school fans like to talk about.
• Winning. It's a result but at this point it's also a necessary ingredient to keep it all together.

 

[Jomjam]

There was a similar discussion a couple years ago regarding why is WC so good every year. In my opinion it's not any one thing but a combination of several. In no particular order-

• Coach Rod
  
• Youth programs are tightly managed to develop kids that know the system.
• Community support and fanfare drives up participation which drives up potential talent pool.
• Numbers - the size of the roster is insane for a C4 school.
• Geographic location makes living in WC very practical no matter where a parent works in the Joplin area. It's not a huge 'metro' area but I think around 200,000 people and many of the most sports obsessed families choose Webb City.
  
• Reputation - families new to the area frequently (and sometimes families from adjacent communities) move to WC to get their kids into WC sports. Some downplay this as rare but I see it happen all the time, not so much varsity but elementary age. And yes some people move their for other reasons but most of the people I know mentioned football/baseball/softball as the primary motivation. Sometimes this brings in D1 talent but if nothing else it brings in kids who are exceptionally eager to buy-in to a proven system.
• Confidence knowing that a state title is a legit goal. This gives WC teams a huge mental advantage in my opinion. On the flip side their opponents come to games scared, full of doubt and ready to make uncharacteristic mistakes. I think this is WC's intangible secret weapon.
• Culture/blue collar work ethic. Maybe not as much as a factor it was back in the 80s and 90s but it's still a thing that old-school fans like to talk about.
• Winning. It's a result but at this point it's also a necessary ingredient to keep it all together.

Thanks for legitimately answering the question.

 

[AC100]

There was a similar discussion a couple years ago regarding why is WC so good every year. In my opinion it's not any one thing but a combination of several. In no particular order-

• Coach Rod
  
• Youth programs are tightly managed to develop kids that know the system.
• Community support and fanfare drives up participation which drives up potential talent pool.
• Numbers - the size of the roster is insane for a C4 school.
• Geographic location makes living in WC very practical no matter where a parent works in the Joplin area. It's not a huge 'metro' area but I think around 200,000 people and many of the most sports obsessed families choose Webb City.
  
• Reputation - families new to the area frequently (and sometimes families from adjacent communities) move to WC to get their kids into WC sports. Some downplay this as rare but I see it happen all the time, not so much varsity but elementary age. And yes some people move their for other reasons but most of the people I know mentioned football/baseball/softball as the primary motivation. Sometimes this brings in D1 talent but if nothing else it brings in kids who are exceptionally eager to buy-in to a proven system.
• Confidence knowing that a state title is a legit goal. This gives WC teams a huge mental advantage in my opinion. On the flip side their opponents come to games scared, full of doubt and ready to make uncharacteristic mistakes. I think this is WC's intangible secret weapon.
• Culture/blue collar work ethic. Maybe not as much as a factor it was back in the 80s and 90s but it's still a thing that old-school fans like to talk about.
• Winning. It's a result but at this point it's also a necessary ingredient to keep it all together.

I agree with the idea that people move their kids to Webb not during high school but during elementary school.

Participation does matter. For example CJ had a kid named Trent Smith just graduate and he is playing D2 college basketball. He is about 6-7. If he went to WC he may have played FB and developed into a really good receiver but he didn't play a minute of football at CJ.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

I also see Carthage as a threat this year ... they get much less press but have some crazy talented kids.

Class 5 is wide open this year. Could be any of a number of teams big chance (Raytown is the one to watch in the KC Metro).

 

[Bear_Eagle]

There was a similar discussion a couple years ago regarding why is WC so good every year. In my opinion it's not any one thing but a combination of several. In no particular order-

• Coach Rod
  
• Youth programs are tightly managed to develop kids that know the system.
• Community support and fanfare drives up participation which drives up potential talent pool.
• Numbers - the size of the roster is insane for a C4 school.
• Geographic location makes living in WC very practical no matter where a parent works in the Joplin area. It's not a huge 'metro' area but I think around 200,000 people and many of the most sports obsessed families choose Webb City.
  
• Reputation - families new to the area frequently (and sometimes families from adjacent communities) move to WC to get their kids into WC sports. Some downplay this as rare but I see it happen all the time, not so much varsity but elementary age. And yes some people move their for other reasons but most of the people I know mentioned football/baseball/softball as the primary motivation. Sometimes this brings in D1 talent but if nothing else it brings in kids who are exceptionally eager to buy-in to a proven system.
• Confidence knowing that a state title is a legit goal. This gives WC teams a huge mental advantage in my opinion. On the flip side their opponents come to games scared, full of doubt and ready to make uncharacteristic mistakes. I think this is WC's intangible secret weapon.
• Culture/blue collar work ethic. Maybe not as much as a factor it was back in the 80s and 90s but it's still a thing that old-school fans like to talk about.
• Winning. It's a result but at this point it's also a necessary ingredient to keep it all together.

excellent post, You really nailed it. I know of a Jr high kid that just moved there from a near by town that is a very very solid athlete. It just happens.

There was a similar discussion a couple years ago regarding why is WC so good every year. In my opinion it's not any one thing but a combination of several. In no particular order-

• Coach Rod
  
• Youth programs are tightly managed to develop kids that know the system.
• Community support and fanfare drives up participation which drives up potential talent pool.
• Numbers - the size of the roster is insane for a C4 school.
• Geographic location makes living in WC very practical no matter where a parent works in the Joplin area. It's not a huge 'metro' area but I think around 200,000 people and many of the most sports obsessed families choose Webb City.
  
• Reputation - families new to the area frequently (and sometimes families from adjacent communities) move to WC to get their kids into WC sports. Some downplay this as rare but I see it happen all the time, not so much varsity but elementary age. And yes some people move their for other reasons but most of the people I know mentioned football/baseball/softball as the primary motivation. Sometimes this brings in D1 talent but if nothing else it brings in kids who are exceptionally eager to buy-in to a proven system.
• Confidence knowing that a state title is a legit goal. This gives WC teams a huge mental advantage in my opinion. On the flip side their opponents come to games scared, full of doubt and ready to make uncharacteristic mistakes. I think this is WC's intangible secret weapon.
• Culture/blue collar work ethic. Maybe not as much as a factor it was back in the 80s and 90s but it's still a thing that old-school fans like to talk about.
• Winning. It's a result but at this point it's also a necessary ingredient to keep it all together.

 

[bullitpdq68]

There was a similar discussion a couple years ago regarding why is WC so good every year. In my opinion it's not any one thing but a combination of several. In no particular order-

• Coach Rod
  
• Youth programs are tightly managed to develop kids that know the system.
• Community support and fanfare drives up participation which drives up potential talent pool.
• Numbers - the size of the roster is insane for a C4 school.
• Geographic location makes living in WC very practical no matter where a parent works in the Joplin area. It's not a huge 'metro' area but I think around 200,000 people and many of the most sports obsessed families choose Webb City.
  
• Reputation - families new to the area frequently (and sometimes families from adjacent communities) move to WC to get their kids into WC sports. Some downplay this as rare but I see it happen all the time, not so much varsity but elementary age. And yes some people move their for other reasons but most of the people I know mentioned football/baseball/softball as the primary motivation. Sometimes this brings in D1 talent but if nothing else it brings in kids who are exceptionally eager to buy-in to a proven system.
• Confidence knowing that a state title is a legit goal. This gives WC teams a huge mental advantage in my opinion. On the flip side their opponents come to games scared, full of doubt and ready to make uncharacteristic mistakes. I think this is WC's intangible secret weapon.
• Culture/blue collar work ethic. Maybe not as much as a factor it was back in the 80s and 90s but it's still a thing that old-school fans like to talk about.
• Winning. It's a result but at this point it's also a necessary ingredient to keep it all together.

But you have to look at Webb's overall total growth to know that people just are not moving into Webb's school district overall... except maybe to play football and if that? Many schools have out grown them in the last decade. Just look to Carl Junction who is growing at a faster rate in the last 10 years than Webb overall. I think the last 10 years Webb has stayed someplace in the top 10 in size in class 4 overall they have been pretty stagnate. I think 10 years ago Rockhardcornfrog was predicting based on enrollment and were Webb was that they would move to class 5, but they have managed to stay pretty consistent.

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[Jomjam]

But you have to look at Webb's overall total growth to know that people just are not moving into Webb's school district overall... except maybe to play football and if that? Many schools have out grown them in the last decade. Just look to Carl Junction who is growing at a faster rate in the last 10 years than Webb overall. I think the last 10 years Webb has stayed someplace in the top 10 in size in class 4 overall they have been pretty stagnate. I think 10 years ago Rockhardcornfrog was predicting based on enrollment and were Webb was that they would move to class 5, but they have managed to stay pretty consistent.

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I just looked this up. Looks like pretty steady growth but last 10 years its been pretty level, its also possible their growth is just on par or slightly below others and you haven't seen an explosion of students, and therefore they have been in class 4 for football

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/webb-city-high-school-profile

 

[bullitpdq68]

I just looked this up. Looks like pretty steady growth but last 10 years its been pretty level, its also possible their growth is just on par or slightly below others and you haven't seen an explosion of students, and therefore they have been in class 4 for football

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/webb-city-high-school-profile

On DESE you use to be able to get past enrollment going back to 1991, I guess you cannot do that now? But I want to say RockHard back round 2007 had Webb listed around 1179 and thinking they would be moving to class 5. They had a huge growth spurt in the 80's and 90' but since then it tapered off. I think when I was in school they had about 780 kids we were around 400. If you look at the size or Webb's school district it is very small land wise.

 

[Team Tiger]

Here is a fun website. You have to navigate a little but you can see a boundary map of any school in Mo. Click on the county/city then scroll down. Webb is a little trapped by other district and useless land. If you get a minute check out the size of Liberals district, might be the largest in SWMO.

https://missouri.hometownlocator.com/schools/sorted-by-county,n,jasper.cfm

 

[Gateway Sports Venue]

Do you guys see the same issues in that area that we see in St Louis, where a family moves to the town so their kid can go to Joplin, or Webb or CJ, for either academic or sports? Or is their too much community pride to do that type of move?
There are kids here in STL that will move from Maplewood to play basketball in Webster Groves, as an example.

Lol I know exactly what player you're referring too.

 

[Jomjam]

Lol I know exactly what player you're referring too.

Great Kid and I am glad it worked out for him. I don't fault him he either had family in Webster or his parents moved to "Webster.

 

[AC100]

Is Kabala hurt?

 

[Rcarlisle314]

Webb City, Lamar, and Maryville show why one high school communities should not complain about STL recruiting. There is no bigger advantage in high school football than being able to have the same group of kids start learning the playbook at 8 years and learning how to play together as a team. Kids that start playing together in 7th or 9th grade will not consistently be able to match up against this. If you create a culture, support athletic programs, and have sound coaching you can be successful. Look at the majority of successful programs, and you see a well organized feeder system and community support.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

But you have to look at Webb's overall total growth to know that people just are not moving into Webb's school district overall... except maybe to play football and if that? Many schools have out grown them in the last decade. Just look to Carl Junction who is growing at a faster rate in the last 10 years than Webb overall. I think the last 10 years Webb has stayed someplace in the top 10 in size in class 4 overall they have been pretty stagnate. I think 10 years ago Rockhardcornfrog was predicting based on enrollment and were Webb was that they would move to class 5, but they have managed to stay pretty consistent.

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WC would already be Class 5 if not for the schools that have dropped football or gone to 8-man. It does look like WC may make the jump this year and if not probably next year.