Who will be the team that beats Webb this year??

[adam_schefters_burner]

Ladue's school district has over 27,000 residents and the high school has right around 1300 students. Do the math lol.

Does that somehow discredit a recruitment argument? No, not really. I can get get behind that specific school doesn’t recruit. (Although I doubt they have had ZERO transfers) since even 2017. But regardless, keep towing the “it’s fair” argument though. STL posters are so pretentious it’s not even funny. Snobs really. The disparity of talent to pick from in a farming community in comparison to a city of the size in STL is baffling. (For those who argue everyone recruits.) The rules should only continue to tighten. If a system happened to develop where privates played privates, and divisions of classes was a thing? It wouldn’t matter at that point. Each class could have a private division, and a public school division. Recruit your hearts out at that point. Doesn’t effect or change any dynamics going into a playoff game or championship game. Not everything in life is fair, but if it’s possible to make something a equal playing field? I don’t see why not make it happen. Doesn’t mean regular season games couldn’t be had between private and public.

 

[JNreturns]

Where do you project K's overall record this year? Just curious..............

10 or 11-2. Assuming closer games with Smithville and PC. But back to normality, they win those games and district. Lose to Staley amd somwhere in the playoffs. Last year was an anomaly.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

10 or 11-2. Assuming closer games with Smithville and PC. But back to normality, they win those games and district. Lose to Staley amd somwhere in the playoffs. Last year was an anomaly.

They've actually lost two years in a row in the District semifinals. Much as I hate to say it I have a feeling that could be a trend...............and something lurking in the background once District play commences. All that said I sure hope you are right. My expectations for 2019 are very low compared to many years past.

 

[JNreturns]

They've actually lost two years in a row in the District semifinals. Much as I hate to say it I have a feeling that could be a trend...............and something lurking in the background once District play commences. All that said I sure hope you are right. My expectations for 2019 are very low compared to many years past.

They have still only lost five games to Class 4 teams in the past five years. They lost a miracle game by a fluky player they couldn't stop two years ago. And last year they got beat by Smithville, who was just plain better. Nothing I've seen in previews leads me to believe Smithville, PC, or Harrisonville will handle K. Is Excelsior Springs a sleeper?

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

They have still only lost five games to Class 4 teams in the past five years. They lost a miracle game by a fluky player they couldn't stop two years ago. And last year they got beat by Smithville, who was just plain better. Nothing I've seen in previews leads me to believe Smithville, PC, or Harrisonville will handle K. Is Excelsior Springs a sleeper?

Excelsior lost most if not all their backfield (had two very good RBs who graduated) but I like the direction in which that program is going. Their non-con schedule is horrible so will have to wait and see how they fare in the MRVC West before being able to really gauge them.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

They have still only lost five games to Class 4 teams in the past five years. They lost a miracle game by a fluky player they couldn't stop two years ago. And last year they got beat by Smithville, who was just plain better. Nothing I've seen in previews leads me to believe Smithville, PC, or Harrisonville will handle K. Is Excelsior Springs a sleeper?

Last year Smithville was pretty easy to spot. This year I "think" Platte County will be a very strong squad especially late in the season. They are actually JR heavy so 2020 is, all things remaining equal, going to be the year to really pay attention to the Pirates.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

They have still only lost five games to Class 4 teams in the past five years. They lost a miracle game by a fluky player they couldn't stop two years ago. And last year they got beat by Smithville, who was just plain better. Nothing I've seen in previews leads me to believe Smithville, PC, or Harrisonville will handle K. Is Excelsior Springs a sleeper?

With all due respect I would not count their record during the Jones era. That is why I am focused on what has occurred the past two years. THE big question (I stated this last November after they lost again to Smithville) is whether this coaching staff is going to move the program back to where it was just three short seasons ago. They had a pretty loaded roster last year................so time as it always does will tell.

 

[JNreturns]

With all due respect I would not count their record during the Jones era. That is why I am focused on what has occurred the past two years. THE big question (I stated this last November after they lost again to Smithville) is whether this coaching staff is going to move the program back to where it was just three short seasons ago. They had a pretty loaded roster last year................so time as it always does will tell.

Sorry but the Jones era benefited the last couple of years he was there with multiple D1 level athletes. Gray hasnt had that X factor.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Sorry but the Jones era benefited the last couple of years he was there with multiple D1 level athletes. Gray hasnt had that X factor.

I still think Jones and staff (Gray included) developed many of those D1 caliber players. Again I am withholding any "judgments" until I see how this third year after his departure plays out especially offensively.

 

[hfcdawg]

Sorry but the Jones era benefited the last couple of years he was there with multiple D1 level athletes. Gray hasnt had that X factor.

You are joking right? Grey and Jones are not in the same hemisphere when it comes to coaching ability.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

You are joking right? Grey and Jones are not in the same hemisphere when it comes to coaching ability.

What’s Coach Jones done so far at North??

 

[hfcdawg]

What’s Coach Jones done so far at North??

One of them was handed the keys to a brand new car (Grey). One of them inherited a rough used car (Jones). Both have had similar results in 2 seasons. You tell me oh wise one.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

One of them was handed the keys to a brand new car (Grey). One of them inherited a rough used car (Jones). Both have had similar results in 2 seasons. You tell me oh wise one.

One of them was handed the keys to a brand new car (Grey). One of them inherited a rough used car (Jones). Both have had similar results in 2 seasons. You tell me oh wise one.

I don’t think 8 wins and 4 wins are similar,,,just asked a civil question we don’t get much metro news down in the sticks

 

[hfcdawg]

I don’t think 8 wins and 4 wins are similar,,,just asked a civil question we don’t get much metro news down in the sticks

Wins and losses in the regular season are irrelevant when you compare the strength of their opponents. I tend to focus on results in the playoffs and the quality of the product on the field. Having had a son that recently graduated from KMO, I can say without a doubt that Jones is a far superior coach than Grey. But that’s a given to those that know their stuff.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Wins and losses in the regular season are irrelevant when you compare the strength of their opponents. I tend to focus on results in the playoffs and the quality of the product on the field. Having had a son that recently graduated from KMO, I can say without a doubt that Jones is a far superior coach than Grey. But that’s a given to those that know their stuff.

Wow this train jumped the tracks.............

 

[JNreturns]

You are joking right? Grey and Jones are not in the same hemisphere when it comes to coaching ability.

2017 4-6
2018 4-6

Haha..waiting....

 

[hfcdawg]

2017 4-6
2018 4-6

Haha..waiting....

Waiting for what? I already addressed this point with my opinion of regular season records between class 4 and 6 schools. I’m the one waiting.

 

[hfcdawg]

Wow this train jumped the tracks.............

Sometimes the train needs to jump the tracks to get others to see the truth...............

 

[JNreturns]

Wins and losses in the regular season are irrelevant when you compare the strength of their opponents. I tend to focus on results in the playoffs and the quality of the product on the field. Having had a son that recently graduated from KMO, I can say without a doubt that Jones is a far superior coach than Grey. But that’s a given to those that know their stuff.

So let us examine the two 4-6 season wins of Liberty North. They have beaten:

2017
Truman 2-9 #36 Class 5
Park Hill South 4-6 #25 in Class 5
St. Joe Central 4-7 #27 in Class 5
Columbia Hickman 1-9 #34 in Class 5

2018
Truman 0-10 #39 in Class 5
St. Joe Central 2-8 # 30 Class 5
Park Hill South 2-8 #24 Class 5
Liberty 7-4 #9 in Class 6 (their one qualify win)

I rest my case.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

So let us examine the two 4-6 season wins of Liberty North. They have beaten:

2017
Truman 2-9 #36 Class 5
Park Hill South 4-6 #25 in Class 5
St. Joe Central 4-7 #27 in Class 5
Columbia Hickman 1-9 #34 in Class 5

2018
Truman 0-10 #39 in Class 5
St. Joe Central 2-8 # 30 Class 5
Park Hill South 2-8 #24 Class 5
Liberty 7-4 #9 in Class 6 (their one qualify win)

I rest my case.

And those wins cost over$25,000 each,,,,wonder how long school board keeps writing those checks

 

[JNreturns]

And those wins cost over$25,000 each,,,,wonder how long school board keeps writing those checks

We can revisit my posts from three years ago about the culture at LN that hinders success. I certainly wouldnt put all the blame on the coach.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

We can revisit my posts from three years ago about the culture at LN that hinders success. I certainly wouldnt put all the blame on the coach.

They were winning 8-9 games a season not long ago weren’t they??

 

[adam_schefters_burner]

They were winning 8-9 games a season not long ago weren’t they??

Yes. I’m not sure what he’s talking about.

 

[JNreturns]

In a class 4 and class 5 schedule. Try pulling up to Blue Springs, LSW and Park Hill.

 

[COCMEDIUM]

Joplin and Carthage have a good chance of beating Webb this year. Does it happen, who knows?? Joplin has showed they can contend in the COC. The last time Webb traveled to Carthage they were beat by 2 TD's. It should be an interesting year for the COC!

 

[bullitpdq68]

Joplin and Carthage have a good chance of beating Webb this year. Does it happen, who knows?? Joplin has showed they can contend in the COC. The last time Webb traveled to Carthage they were beat by 2 TD's. It should be an interesting year for the COC!

What is Carthage returning, watched them in 7 on 7 and the were Decent. But they did not look to have near the speed and athleticism of years past.

 

[Bear_Eagle]

In a class 4 and class 5 schedule. Try pulling up to Blue Springs, LSW and Park Hill.

At a quick glaze it looks like one of the 4-6 seasons LN lost 3 of those games by total of 4 points. Plus two of the 6 loses are to liberty, first meeting 42-7 but the second time they met it was 22-20. Good coaches make adjustments. Just my two cents.

Back to the original post. I think Joplin and Carthage as mentioned above have a shot at Webb. Joplin cannot turn the ball over like last year and need to hold Webb under 300 yards rushing. Joplin can score with Webb I believe but they have to find a way to make some stops. Webb rushing attack with Weathers and Kabala should be great. Joplin has a couple offensive studs (2 D1 kids) as well.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

At a quick glaze it looks like one of the 4-6 seasons LN lost 3 of those games by total of 4 points. Plus two of the 6 loses are to liberty, first meeting 42-7 but the second time they met it was 22-20. Good coaches make adjustments. Just my two cents.

Back to the original post. I think Joplin and Carthage as mentioned above have a shot at Webb. Joplin cannot turn the ball over like last year and need to hold Webb under 300 yards rushing. Joplin can score with Webb I believe but they have to find a way to make some stops. Webb rushing attack with Weathers and Kabala should be great. Joplin has a couple offensive studs (2 D1 kids) as well.

More important than Weathers maybe Karbala and Sergio is the offensive line in front of them. May be the best in many years

 

[JNreturns]

Webb goes undefeated.

 

[Jomjam]

I have a serious question, living in St Louis now and not growing up in Mo, I didn't know much about Webb City until my son got involved in football. Webb looks like a bedroom community of Joplin, how does that benefit Webb City. Do families move there to be in Webb City School District vs Joplin? Or is Webb city too far away from Joplin for that to be considered.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I have a serious question, living in St Louis now and not growing up in Mo, I didn't know much about Webb City until my son got involved in football. Webb looks like a bedroom community of Joplin, how does that benefit Webb City. Do families move there to be in Webb City School District vs Joplin? Or is Webb city too far away from Joplin for that to be considered.

When I was a kid I lived in Joplin, back in the day Webb might have been considered a bedroom town. However both towns are so close you might not know when you leave one school district and enter another. The Joplin air port is actually in the Webb School district, My wife grew up going to Carl Junction but just a few block to the east she would have gone to Webb, I think just one block over to the south and she would have gone to Joplin all of their buses crossed.

 

[Bear_Eagle]

In a class 4 and class 5 schedule. Try pulling up to Blue Springs, LSW and Park Hill.

where have

I have a serious question, living in St Louis now and not growing up in Mo, I didn't know much about Webb City until my son got involved in football. Webb looks like a bedroom community of Joplin, how does that benefit Webb City. Do families move there to be in Webb City School District vs Joplin? Or is Webb city too far away from Joplin for that to be considered.

You can't really tell when your in one town or the other, They are literally connected. Yes Joplin loses some families to Webb no doubt. I don't think they lose many. A know a couple years ago we lost a kid that will probably play college ball in a few years he's a 6'5" 280 lineman.

 

[Jomjam]

When I was a kid I lived in Joplin, back in the day Webb might have been considered a bedroom town. However both towns are so close you might not know when you leave one school district and enter another. The Joplin air port is actually in the Webb School district, My wife grew up going to Carl Junction but just a few block to the east she would have gone to Webb, I think just one block over to the south and she would have gone to Joplin all of their buses crossed.

Do you guys see the same issues in that area that we see in St Louis, where a family moves to the town so their kid can go to Joplin, or Webb or CJ, for either academic or sports? Or is their too much community pride to do that type of move?
There are kids here in STL that will move from Maplewood to play basketball in Webster Groves, as an example.

 

[Bear_Eagle]

Do you guys see the same issues in that area that we see in St Louis, where a family moves to the town so their kid can go to Joplin, or Webb or CJ, for either academic or sports? Or is their too much community pride to do that type of move?
There are kids here in STL that will move from Maplewood to play basketball in Webster Groves, as an example.

Well they are all so close academically that its more either move for sports or a smaller school setting. That is my experience

 

[Bear_Eagle]

More important than Weathers kabala and Sergio is the offensive line in front of them. May be the best in many years

Thats where it all starts. Joplin O line is all new so its hard to say how good they'll be. Joplin has thunder and lighting in the backfield with Davis and Glades. A great leader at QB in Tash probably throwing to the best WR in sw Missouri in Westmoreland. The O line idk. hey maybe the line will be good.

 

[Team Tiger]

Do you guys see the same issues in that area that we see in St Louis, where a family moves to the town so their kid can go to Joplin, or Webb or CJ, for either academic or sports? Or is their too much community pride to do that type of move?
There are kids here in STL that will move from Maplewood to play basketball in Webster Groves, as an example.

I think you may have seen that 10-20 years ago with Webb. Several families moved to Webb for sports reasons. Anymore the surrounding communities have stepped up there games and the gap is not what it used to be. And you have a new generation that grew up despising Webb and would never dream of moving their kids there.

 

[JNreturns]

Do you guys see the same issues in that area that we see in St Louis, where a family moves to the town so their kid can go to Joplin, or Webb or CJ, for either academic or sports? Or is their too much community pride to do that type of move?
There are kids here in STL that will move from Maplewood to play basketball in Webster Groves, as an example.

St. Louis is a high school talent musical chairs cantata. Kids recruited to privates and publics.

 

[Jomjam]

St. Louis is a high school talent musical chairs cantata. Kids recruited to privates and publics.

Sure, but if they are doing it prior to high school, then would it not be the same as moving from Joplin to Webb? Or doing that anytime?

 

[AC100]

I think you may have seen that 10-20 years ago with Webb. Several families moved to Webb for sports reasons. Anymore the surrounding communities have stepped up there games and the gap is not what it used to be. And you have a new generation that grew up despising Webb and would never dream of moving their kids there.

So why does Webb never have the talent drop off like every other school has?