Where is the outrage over 1 v 8 games in basketball?
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1. Only half the team would be winners but most would finish in better game than a blowout and it is an extra week for the sport of football to help make young men better people
2. I do think it would help participation and long term engagement with the sport not just for the season but for 10-15 years down the line when those kids have kids
3. And I disagree with the word meaningless just because it is not for a championship the last game would be for the love of the game and only for that.
While I disagree with you I appreciate the points you make
I get everything you're saying, just disagree it would help numbers. I doubt kids are honestly thinking, "you know, that extra game at the end of the year is the reason I'm going to play football next year." But hell, I've been wrong plenty.
There's also the coaching side of it. Can't imagine many coaches would be terribly fired up about that game. It'd be a glorified scrimmage to most coaches, I'd think. Again, could be wrong.
I could see alot of trick plays a really fun week of practice and kids having a good time I also see a lot more guys finishing there careers with a on a memorable note and more parents in the next 10-20 years having there kids play football for the fun of the game instead of looking at the alternatives like youth soccer
Now there is some common ground! Anything we can do to limit that, I'm on board with.
A guy I teach with was telling me how much he spends each month to be apart of there "club" and I almost had to file a police report for robbery ....that stuff is a scam
At first I thought you all were nincompoops for even thinking about an extra game of this fashion but then I put my ole former Booster Club President cap back on. This is GENIUS!!
Not only is this another chance to generate your normal football game revenue, its an opportunity to potentially DOUBLE your season's revenue. Think about it. For most parents, this is the last time they will watch their kid (s) play. This is the last time most of those kids will be playing football. Last chance the community has to support this senior class. What do all of these things have in common? Emotions! And capitalizing on emotions is a CASH COW!!!
I'm talking increased ticket prices. Because watching your kid (s) or community members one last time is PRICELESS! So sky is the limit there! Special edition, game exclusive merchandise! Who doesn't want an ever lasting commemorative memento sitting on their shelf, to remind them of this special date and time?? Or a hat, hoodie, t shirt. Heck, go the NFL route and have championship, on field style merch premade with for each team. Then donate the losers merch to charity, because we're good people. Now yes, the home team does keep all proceeds of merchandise purchased but that's the benefit of hosting.
Wow. I may have to come out of retirement!
Dude...Not telling me anything I don't know. Our 11 yr old needs a job to foot her own bills with it. Total sham, and it's a great club. She gets great coaching. But there's literally no in between. You either go club or play with the flower pickers in the rec leagues, at least where we're at. It's criminal.
If it is not the playoffs then what is it? They can call it district/sectional/insert a name, BUT it is a win and advance lose and go home. It is the very foundation of the playoffs.
I agree, not all should make it. Top 32 in a "playoffs" and bottom 32 in a one and done vs each other.
All should have the opportunity, and not in some arbitrary fashion. That's why you have a district tournament, which exactly what it is and always has been. The winners of the district tournament move on to the state playoffs, you know, like every other team sport on the face of the planet has done in MO. It's really not a complicated process, no matter the struggle of football dude to grasp it...Hell, let the losers schedule and play all the games they want after they lose.
By having a quadruple elimination tournament that recognizes the top 4 teams by score differential and coolest uniforms?
I am not smart enough to think of a new way, so, use the current district points system we have in place. Maybe tweak it, that is up to the guys really into that score system.
Did you even read my post!? Sure, MSHSAA will want their cut of the ticket sales. I said INCREASE TICKET PRICES!!! Give MSHSAA their cut and pocket the rest. Also, MSHSAA cant touch those profits from merch and what not. Clearly you have never run a booster club before. NICE TRY!!
Football is literally the only sport I have ever heard a coach try to spin advancing to the district semifinal as “playoffs.”
We live in a society where feelings, attention and praise are the actual accomplishment, not accomplishment.
If a coach can convince his flock that the district semifinals or district championship game is the “playoffs” and that makes it more likely to advance postive feelings, attention and praise — which, for many, is the only thing that really matters — then there are many that will give it a shot.
I would never call the district tournament the pkayoffs because it’s logically inconsistent. That would imply everyone makes the pkayoffs, therefor, none of it has any meaning or significance so why would I even bother to mention it at all.
Its the same reason no one publishes the all conference honors anymore. Who cares. You know who was all conference? Everyone. Why bother wasting time publishing it or promoting it. All an all conference team does these day is determine who the few kids in a league really sucked because if nine of the ten starting QBs in your league we’re all conference-something then the whole thing is now designed to point out who was trash.
Get outta here with the district tournament is the playoffs.
We live in a society where feelings, attention and praise are the actual accomplishment, not accomplishment.
If a coach can convince his flock that the district semifinals or district championship game is the “playoffs” and that makes it more likely to advance postive feelings, attention and praise — which, for many, is the only thing that really matters — then there are many that will give it a shot.
I would never call the district tournament the pkayoffs because it’s logically inconsistent. That would imply everyone makes the pkayoffs, therefor, none of it has any meaning or significance so why would I even bother to mention it at all.
Its the same reason no one publishes the all conference honors anymore. Who cares. You know who was all conference? Everyone. Why bother wasting time publishing it or promoting it. All an all conference team does these day is determine who the few kids in a league really sucked because if nine of the ten starting QBs in your league we’re all conference-something then the whole thing is now designed to point out who was trash.
Get outta here with the district tournament is the playoffs.
I would say it would probably be he'll to do that game if you loss your district game. Kids looking at winter sports. Most coaches coach more than one sport they will have to get ready for that sport. I love playoffs but it's win or go home. When we were in the playoffs I was also coaching bball. I had 9th grade at 6am, football at 3 then varsity bball after football till 7 or 8.
"post-season", " lose and your season is over", "win and advance", it is the playoffs. Maybe not state playoffs, rather district playoffs.
BUT who determines the districts?
Who determines the seeding method?
The location?
If you answer "the state" to the three above then maybe...
I'm actually with you on this one. It's all semantics. But then, where we depart is that I ask "who cares?" and "why does it matter?"
I'll never understand why it's a thing. Like seriously, the gripe or rub is 1v8 games. Seriously? Good grief. Imagine having a more 2020 and beyond thing to get torqued about.
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Yesterday I was studying up on the Track & Field rules quiz, I noticed the state sets the parameters and gets the gate for districts.
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As for are districts state or not - truly I do not care, I just enjoy the discussion.
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As for the 1 vs 8, I just prefer the idea of 1-32 in a playoff and 33-64 in a one and done.
Somewhere earlier one mentioned something like, "would be competitive in the final game really matter" ??? Literally this week on Facebook I saw a discussion of some 60 year old men that played on a really bad team talking about scoring a few touchdowns and being competitive (maybe even won) ONE GAME. One guy mentioned a good play and getting tackled just shy of the goal line, his now late 60's early 70 year old coach was in on that discussion. being competitive does matter.
As for, "work harder", I understand that, but If team A has good athletes working hard and team B has way less athletes working hard...
You know this happens in other seeding matchups often as well, including 1 vs 1 and even in the state championship, right?
He asked the difference between 1 v 8 matchups in basketball vs football and accused some individuals of whining. I simply pointed out a difference between the two sports regarding 1 vs 8 matchups.
I, and most people know people can be injured in any football game. That is all.
Finals beyond districts:
Class 1 Final 4 game: 85-31
Class 4 Quarter Final: 65-26
Blow outs happen.
Class 2 seems to be the only calss so far to get the seedings correct:
4 games at the final 4 with 11 points difference total in all 4 games.
"Blow outs happen" ABSOLUTLY with and especially with the lame method used to set it up.
"Districts" by location,
Brackets by North/South (or East West) It is a sham.
Which is why teams should be ranked 1-53 or 64 or 98. (You all have to figure out how to rank them.) Sad deal watching Class 3 Strafford gut out a win vs Licking, play a barn burner vs El Do Spgs. then Strafford and El Do win the championship and 3rd place games coasting to 20+ point victories. I believe we need to get our best eight in the 1/4 finals and our best 4 in the Semi-finals.
"Districts" by location,
Brackets by North/South (or East West) It is a sham.
Which is why teams should be ranked 1-53 or 64 or 98. (You all have to figure out how to rank them.) Sad deal watching Class 3 Strafford gut out a win vs Licking, play a barn burner vs El Do Spgs. then Strafford and El Do win the championship and 3rd place games coasting to 20+ point victories. I believe we need to get our best eight in the 1/4 finals and our best 4 in the Semi-finals.
