What the heck is wrong with people ?
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Wow. I wonder how much playing time that parents kid wasn’t getting.
It’s called the Karen complex. It may not have been a mother that turned it in, but either way, somebody wanted to speak with the manager
At the same time how hard is it for the coach to just let the players do it and stay out of it... if it were an Islamic prayer would the reaction on here be different?
How would that change the students circumstances? I guess I don't understand how his rights are affected by one more/less person praying, he is free to participate or not regardless who is involved. As for the Islam garbage, when you do not have real good argument just turn to everyone is a bigot.
My HS coach prayed "for us" before and after every game we played. Mainly about both teams staying safe during play and all players and their fans/families safe travels to and from the game. Anyone who wanted to be a part took a knee (which is a sin today), the players who didn't, remained silent and were respectful. No one ever complained.
It takes a special kind of coward to be scared of public prayer. If in your mindset, it is all a myth, then why censor the myth if it isn't harmful?
A football coach is in a position of power and is a role model for kids. While not intentional when he participates in prayer with the kids he is saying that one religion is better than others. While at a private school this if fine but it crosses the line of separation of church and state when done in a public school. When the coach is coaching he is acting as an employee of the state and community in which he lives in which may or may not reflect his views and thus wrong. He is entitled to his personal beliefs but if it makes a kid uncomfortable he should let the players do it and not participate as an acting employee of the state. If he is doing this then he is infringing on the students first amendment right. This feels like it belongs on the political crap board.
Coaches just need to Clock out before they pray then clock back in after they are finished. Problem solved.
In the SCA conference we post an online prayer each Thursday before the Friday games. We have done this as a group for about 12 years. This is all parents and fans who do this for the kids, coaches, officials, etc. About 7 yrs ago I had a "concerned parent" message me their concern and the seperation of church n state blah blah blah and they were going to start making contact with the schools over this. I told them that the schools don't own the website or the prayers that we do this on our own, and that God's law supercedes man's law. When they found out the old and current SCA websites were about school sports and not owned by the schools they dropped the subject. All they were looking for was a reason to be offended and get money from the schools. Guess what, we still pray before each game online (Facebook groups and personal pages, SCA website) and we ALWAYS have people scheduled into the state playoffs and they participate even if their teams are eliminated from districts/state if it is their week to do so.
As far as this case goes in Jasper, I pray this coach wins and he gets to pray with this kids. We have found that a lot of kids want prayer, but afraid to say something. This crap needs to stop and let these folks be themselves
As far as this case goes in Jasper, I pray this coach wins and he gets to pray with this kids. We have found that a lot of kids want prayer, but afraid to say something. This crap needs to stop and let these folks be themselves
Kids and coaches should absolutely be able to pray. The difference is the coach works for the school and while acting as a coach should not participate that is the only issue. The coach will inevitably lose this lawsuit as case law is pretty clear on the issue
Prayer by players, people in the community, others = okay
People acting as employees of the school= not okay
Employees of the school outside of their duties leading prayer= okay
The coach isn't going to win this one. And if you believe in the separation of church and state - he shouldn't. If you don't believe in the separation of church and state then what he did is OK.
The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution.
While coaching at a school, the football coach would do the same. I was always nervous about it while being an assistant. While i was head basketball coach at the school, the players were used to doing it and wanted to continue for basketball. I would step into my office and the would say the prayer in the locker room. It was led by them and not me. I knew that is the way it had to be done. Sure enough a few years later a complaint was made and the prayer by the football coach had to stop. Crazy, but just the way society is now days.
This has in been effect since the 60's lookup Engle ( I think i'm spelling that right) v. Vitale
Engel vs Vitale (1962)
The Supreme court ruled that a school or its employee(s) holding an official recitation of prayer violated the establishment clause. Its a landmark case.
We certainly don’t want our young men influenced by some God fearing football coach..... no wait, we just don’t want him to lead the prayer. He can still influence all he wants.....no wait, what am I pissed about again?
OH! For once, Mofan's detective work pans out! Normally he just strings together meritless, circumstantial evidence! Nice work @Mofan79 !!
Ask the jail house lawyers above, they seem to know what theyre talking about.
And they are probably right. Everyone is a fact checker nowadays. Myself included at times.
I just think this could’ve been handled differently. And maybe they did try to handle it differently who knows. I personally think doing something like this and getting the media involved is overkill. Coaches don’t get paid enough to deal with that crap
Wow if he only knelt and didn’t himself give the prayer he might win. No lawyer but seems if the players led the prayer, he also would not be in fringing on their rights by kneeling.
All the constitution says is “Congress shall make no LAW.......”
I don’t see how a coach praying in SWMO has anything to do with Congress passing a law
As soon as we get our 6th Conservative Justice approved some of this stuff can be fixed
I don’t see how a coach praying in SWMO has anything to do with Congress passing a law
As soon as we get our 6th Conservative Justice approved some of this stuff can be fixed
I was an assistant for a head that always lead prayer. I mentioned it being a bad idea once, and he continued on with no (up to this point) backlash. I always excused myself from the locker room prior to the prayer. Juice isn't worth the squeeze. Just giving those that want a reason to come after you, a valid (see legal) reason. Sort of like my colorful language at times. I've never worked for a coach or AD that didn't mention it. It was never bad enough to cause a problem, until a parent complained. Then it was. Totally on the coach when stuff like this happens.
It has been around forever. Like 40+ years. It's really not a bad thing. Nobody is saying they can't pray. That's the part I never get about this. If coach wants to pray, do it on his/her own. If your players want to do it, cool. Just don't lead them in doing it. It's so simple. And it's not offensive to anyone. It's almost like organized religion is spectacle for some. Crazy, huh?
I think if social issues are what concerns you about Biden/Harris/Pelosi...you might be missing the boat on the important i$$ues. Social reform will be the least of your worries.
This is what years of experience gets you. Quality answer right there.
Backhanded/jealous compliment from someone 10 solid years from retired life.
Maybe throw in a few "togethers" as you take a knee?
Hmmmmm. Not the answer we were looking for. Your journey to Honorary Doc Guy status is not yet complete!!
Youre darn right there Shoot!
I stopped listening to the team prayer when I heard the backup quarterback asking for God to help the coaches call the right plays...
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