As for the Jasper issue, the coach will most likely get a reprimand, but hopefully that is all. It is an internal workplace issue that never should have made media coverage, but we all know how the Globe and really mainstream-media- in-general works. They feed off this stuff. Boss just needs to correct the issue, tell him to have the student-athletes lead it from here on out, and move on. If one positive can be stated, there are more people than ever that are posting Jasper Eagle logos on their social media feed. The mischievously grinning bird is popular. As for myself, I stand with Coach B. Let's have him build a winner in that town. Yet more importantly, I'm happy to see so many stand up for prayer. The country needs it!
What the heck is wrong with people ?
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Raw, being an old (I mean old) school board member, that's exactly what we asked (casually mentioning in passing) our coaches to do. However, as an official down here in the SE part of the state, we are a little "closer" to god than the rest of the state and I do recall many student lead prayers after the national anthem. Like you said if a devil worshipper wants their time, I guess you would have to give it to them without the law.
in my 34 years of high school coaching, I coached 88 different teams and I prayed with every one of them. I told the players they were welcome to not take part but we were going to pray. I never had 1 problem but received a ton of positive feedback. Our society is getting farther and farther from God and look at the results.
Separation of church and state is nowhere in our constitution, it was written by Jefferson in a letter to Danbury Baptists:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. "
He was assuring them that the goverment would not require them to practice their religion in a certain way nor would it prohibit them from the free exercise thereof. The current state of the misapplication of this premise is based on a corruption of Jefferson intent in a letter. It is unconstitutional as the government is intending to prohibit the free exercise thereof. An employee of a school is not the government. He is an individual freely exercising his constitutional right.
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So then if a coach led a prayer to the church of satan you would also be cool with it?
Read the entirety of the first amendment specifically the establishment clause. Also the coach is acting on the Governments behalf by coaching for a team in a public school he is providing a service for the state of Missouri which makes him a representative of the state and unable to favor one religion while providing the service
I would pull my kid out of the prayer. But that is a stupid hypothetical bc that person would not qualify to be teaching and coaching children.
Im gonna guess the answer to that question is no. Most people operate under the logic, "If its my religion, thats cool. Someone else's? NO WAY JOSE!!"
What makes that person unqualified to teach and coach children? Asking for a friend.
I answered the question. Also - that is a stupid analogy bc Satan is clearly a danger to the public and to children, anything that is a danger to the public and children would not be allowed at a HS football game.
Establishment Clause: Separation of Church and State
The establishment clause prohibits government from establishing a religion. It is sometimes referred to as separation of church and state.
www.mtsu.edu
Here is a wonderful history and explanation to how all this works how it is interpreted and why
So you're saying that base on the coach's beliefs, church of satan here, he/she is unqualified to teach and coach?
From your point of you he is, but in the religion described above he is seen as savior and messiah so how is that person unqualified to teach and coach?
Not a comeback there, pal! Its a legitimate question. What exactly makes this teacher/coach unqualified?
Does a serial killers beliefs in serial killing make him unqualified to coach and teach?
Assistant Coach – Minimum Requirements:
1. Completion of 60 or more college credit hours prior to coaching.
2. A Professional Teacher’s Certificate OR NFHS Fundamentals of Coaching Course (online) passed prior to second year of coaching. This course is not sport-specific. This is a one-time requirement.
3. Successful completion of a Sports First Aid course prior to second year of coaching and renewed every two years. (See options in Diagram 3.1)
4. Successful completion of CPR/AED training prior to second year of coaching and renewed every two years. (See options in Diagram 3.1)
5. Background Check including Sex-Offender’s Registry Clearance prior to coaching.
6. Board of Education or Board of Governance Approval prior to coaching.
7. Successful completion of a Concussion in Sports Course, and review of current concussion information yearly.
8. Successful completion of the MSHSAA Sport-Specific Online Rules Review each season.
I would guess he would fail the background check?
Lets assume our hypothetical satanist meets the above requirements should he be able to coach and hold a team prayer to satan?
lol you are not great at making analogies my guy. Please tell me what the maximum prison sentence for worshipping Satan is.
Not talking about serial killers. Is this Satan worshipping teacher/coach also a serial killer? If so, then yes, he/she should not be teaching/coaching. Are you implying that Satan worshippers are serial killers?
In my opinion the legality is irrelevant. This has more to do with us creating a society where teenagers are not taught individuality and how to adapt to society and be yourself regardless what others are doing around you. Instead they are being taught if you don't like what others are doing, you do what ever you can to make them stop. If my son came home and said the coach was leading satanic or Islamic pray before games I would tell him to just hang out until they are done and go about his business. If a coach is the most influential person in your child's life, that child has a parenting problem not a coaching problem.
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yes. and then the next time he wants to hold a prayer, all those parents who dont want their kids to be a part of that prayer can pull their kid from the prayer huddle.
Interesting. Your earlier argument was that a satan worshiping coach was unqualified to teach/coach. NICE TRY CLOWN!!
youre being ridiculous and throwing out ridiculous hypothetical strawman instead of accepting that the separation of church and state (which is really separation of the state from the church) is not settled. People always want to turn to the government daddy to tattle to and meet out punishement for what is offensive to them rather than taking individual responsibility and action for their offended feelings. PUll your kid out of the prayer huddle if you're offended.
Maybe his understanding of satan worshippers has changed or his understandings of coaching qualifications either way I think @RoadrunnerNM made a step in the right direction with his argument and does not deserve to be called a clown
You just established that he met all those qualifications required for hiring and passed background. Ok then, yes coach and lead your prayer. If anything harmful is contained in that prayer (I have no idea what a satanist prays, my assumption is is for the death of man since that is what satan wants because he is jealous of Gods love for man" then that disqualifies him. if not, then I just pull my kid from his prayers bc it is not in line with my beliefs. The end.
Do you even MoSports?? I call everyone on here clown and bozo. NICE TRY BOZO!!!
you know what, no. I only get on this site when its close to post-season football bc my kid plays on the #1 ranked team in class 1 so I'm not part of your BOZO club.
I think our understanding of scripture is different as I interpret it Satan actually wants the corruption of man and for him to stray from gods light as he did in Isaiah 14:12. But doesn't it make more sense for the coach to keep his beliefs out of it and let the kids have the prayer in the locker room themselves. Is he being a good leader by picking one religion over the other and signaling to the kids his beliefs are better than there's and possibly alienating kids?
Well, welcome back to MoSports. There is no bozo club, we are the Doc Guys. I call everyone on here a clown and a bozo. So please do not take offense.
If he is asking for God's grace over the team for their protection as part of his leadership and show of love for his team, The only way he signals his beliefs are better than theirs is if he tells them that. It's not about "better than" its about asking for God's grace and mercy and his will be done which is strengthening not weakening to any psychi (and the corruption of man and straying from God's light IS the death of man, which is what satan wants).
He also eats a whole turkey himself on thanksgiving soo do with that info what you will
Easy there, pal. Just because you know who I am doesnt mean I wont add you to my little "chat" list!! And I do NOT eat a whole turkey on Thanksgiving. NICE TRY!!
OK, Got it. For the record I'm also a girl so not used locker room banter either. Guess I better get used to it.
I see there is no way to change your mind on this topic but I think you can also see that I have point logically though it will not override your faith and I respect that.
