The ongoing post season debate

[USArmyMike]

Obviously playoff system hear is constantly debated. Is there a way to to give a little bit to of something to everyone? The current system does what it needs to do. Crown a state champ. I think it doesn't always put the most deserving teams in the best position to end up where they should but you gotta win right?

I think this system I have come up with put a lot of ideas into one. Stay with the 9 game season and, using the current point system, take the top 32 in each class. 24 or 16 for class 6 in the current set up. If MSHSAA caps class 1 and 6 at 48, like most think they should, then top 24. Allow teams that don't qualify for the playoffs to schedule 1 post season game. I noticed other states allow schools to do this.

Take the top 4 schools with the point system as your top seeds and divide into 4 regions/brackets. Southeast, Southwest, Northeast and Northwest. The bracket winners will be set up 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 based on how the top 4 teams in the point system.

I used class 4 as an example for no particular reason. Pretend the regular season didn't happen as this is based on the regular season.

	North East (1)
1	St. Mary's (St. Louis)	7-2	51.59
2	Hannibal	7-2	45.15
3	Parkway Central	7-2	44.47
4	Vashon	6-2	42.72
5	Hazelwood East	7-2	40.44
6	Parkway North	5-4	36.92
7	Kirksville	5-4	32.68
8	St. Dominic	4-5	31.31
	South East (3)
1	Rockwood Summit	8-1	50.53
2	Hillsboro	8-1	47.75
3	Union	9-0	47.6
4	Jefferson City	5-4	40.85
5	North County	7-2	38.71
6	Festus	4-5	30.21
7	Gateway	4-5	30.09
8	Farmington	3-6	28.22
	North West (4)
1	Smithville	8-1	48.81
2	Center	9-0	48.07
3	Lincoln College Prep	8-1	42.1
4	Van Horn	6-3	38.42
5	Grandview	5-4	37.44
6	Warrensburg	4-5	31.04
7	Harrisonville	4-5	29.97
8	Excelsior Springs	3-6	29.94
	South West (2)
1	Kearney	9-0	51.31
2	West Plains	6-3	44.85
3	Nevada	7-2	41.82
4	Carl Junction	3-6	37.4
5	Bolivar	3-6	33.74
6	Logan-Rogersville	5-4	32.18
7	Marshfield	5-4	31.71
8	McDonald County	5-4	30.9

 

[Jomjam]

Wont happen, it actually makes sense

 

[Cards1968]

What you typed out and what you bracketed are two totally different things. So are regionals 4 teams or 8? Either way, the current system is superior. Having ½ to ¾ of the Class ineligible for the playoffs is ludicrous. The playoffs are not for the viewing public's entertainment, they are for the participants.

 

[USArmyMike]

What you typed out and what you bracketed are two totally different things. So are regionals 4 teams or 8? Either way, the current system is superior. Having ½ to ¾ of the Class ineligible for the playoffs is ludicrous. The playoffs are not for the viewing public's entertainment, they are for the participants.

I said take the top 4 teams then place into 4 regions. So the top 4 teams would be the #1 seed in each bracket.

FYI in this system 1/2 to 2/3 are ELIGIBLE not ineligible. I don't know where we go to the point in our country were having to earn something is being confused with entertainment.

 

[Cards1968]

Your posts are hard to read.

I'm assuming since you want to use the DISTRICT point system to rank teams STATEWIDE and eliminate half the field you feel first round district games are pointless blowouts. It's the consequence of having a fair system where a state champion is crowned on the field, not in a computer spreadsheet. If you can't see the flaw in that there's no point arguing further.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Obviously playoff system hear is constantly debated. Is there a way to to give a little bit to of something to everyone? The current system does what it needs to do. Crown a state champ. I think it doesn't always put the most deserving teams in the best position to end up where they should but you gotta win right?

I think this system I have come up with put a ideas into one. Stay with the 9 game season and, using the current point system, take the top 32 in each class. 24 or 16 for class 6 in the current set up. If MSHSAA caps class 1 and 6 at 48 like most thing they should then top 24. Allow teams that don't qualify for the playoffs to schedule 1 post season game. I noticed other states allow schools to do this.

Take the top 4 schools with the point system as your top seeds and divide into 4 regions/brackets. Southeast, Southwest, Northeast and Northwest. The brackets winners will be set up 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 based on how the top 4 teams but the point system.

I used class 4 as an example for no particular reason. Pretend the regular season didn't happen as theis is based on the regular season.

	North East (1)
1	St. Mary's (St. Louis)	7-2	51.59
2	Hannibal	7-2	45.15
3	Parkway Central	7-2	44.47
4	Vashon	6-2	42.72
5	Hazelwood East	7-2	40.44
6	Parkway North	5-4	36.92
7	Kirksville	5-4	32.68
8	St. Dominic	4-5	31.31
	South East (3)
1	Rockwood Summit	8-1	50.53
2	Hillsboro	8-1	47.75
3	Union	9-0	47.6
4	Jefferson City	5-4	40.85
5	North County	7-2	38.71
6	Festus	4-5	30.21
7	Gateway	4-5	30.09
8	Farmington	3-6	28.22
	North West (4)
1	Smithville	8-1	48.81
2	Center	9-0	48.07
3	Lincoln College Prep	8-1	42.1
4	Van Horn	6-3	38.42
5	Grandview	5-4	37.44
6	Warrensburg	4-5	31.04
7	Harrisonville	4-5	29.97
8	Excelsior Springs	3-6	29.94
	South West (2)
1	Kearney	9-0	51.31
2	West Plains	6-3	44.85
3	Nevada	7-2	41.82
4	Carl Junction	3-6	37.4
5	Bolivar	3-6	33.74
6	Logan-Rogersville	5-4	32.18
7	Marshfield	5-4	31.71
8	McDonald County	5-4	30.9

So every class is treated like Class 6. With a 32 team tourney.

 

[USArmyMike]

Your posts are hard to read.

I'm assuming since you want to use the DISTRICT point system to rank teams STATEWIDE and eliminate half the field you feel first round district games are pointless blowouts. It's the consequence of having a fair system where a state champion is crowned on the field, not in a computer spreadsheet. If you can't see the flaw in that there's no point arguing further.

I’m sorry eliminating 0-9 or 1-8 teams from playoffs isn’t fair 🙄

There is always a flaw in every system. Is it fair that the top 2 teams might be in the same district? Is it fair some programs dump loads of money into there sports whiles others simply cannot? Is it fair football as a point system for seeding districts while everyone other sport can set districts themself? Is it fair that 16 and 17 year olds are playing a 16 game season just so we can have a system that you think is fair?

 

[USArmyMike]

So every class is treated like Class 6. With a 32 team tourney.

Yes except the top 4 teams based on the point system are the #1 seed in each region/bracket.

 

[J. Kane]

Obviously playoff system hear is constantly debated. Is there a way to to give a little bit to of something to everyone? The current system does what it needs to do. Crown a state champ. I think it doesn't always put the most deserving teams in the best position to end up where they should but you gotta win right?

I think this system I have come up with put a ideas into one. Stay with the 9 game season and, using the current point system, take the top 32 in each class. 24 or 16 for class 6 in the current set up. If MSHSAA caps class 1 and 6 at 48 like most thing they should then top 24. Allow teams that don't qualify for the playoffs to schedule 1 post season game. I noticed other states allow schools to do this.

Take the top 4 schools with the point system as your top seeds and divide into 4 regions/brackets. Southeast, Southwest, Northeast and Northwest. The brackets winners will be set up 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 based on how the top 4 teams but the point system.

I used class 4 as an example for no particular reason. Pretend the regular season didn't happen as theis is based on the regular season.

	North East (1)
1	St. Mary's (St. Louis)	7-2	51.59
2	Hannibal	7-2	45.15
3	Parkway Central	7-2	44.47
4	Vashon	6-2	42.72
5	Hazelwood East	7-2	40.44
6	Parkway North	5-4	36.92
7	Kirksville	5-4	32.68
8	St. Dominic	4-5	31.31
	South East (3)
1	Rockwood Summit	8-1	50.53
2	Hillsboro	8-1	47.75
3	Union	9-0	47.6
4	Jefferson City	5-4	40.85
5	North County	7-2	38.71
6	Festus	4-5	30.21
7	Gateway	4-5	30.09
8	Farmington	3-6	28.22
	North West (4)
1	Smithville	8-1	48.81
2	Center	9-0	48.07
3	Lincoln College Prep	8-1	42.1
4	Van Horn	6-3	38.42
5	Grandview	5-4	37.44
6	Warrensburg	4-5	31.04
7	Harrisonville	4-5	29.97
8	Excelsior Springs	3-6	29.94
	South West (2)
1	Kearney	9-0	51.31
2	West Plains	6-3	44.85
3	Nevada	7-2	41.82
4	Carl Junction	3-6	37.4
5	Bolivar	3-6	33.74
6	Logan-Rogersville	5-4	32.18
7	Marshfield	5-4	31.71
8	McDonald County	5-4	30.9

You are forgetting some regions!

 

[USArmyMike]

You are forgetting some regions!

You must be from West Plains as you clearly want the easiest route possible for them.

 

[Cards1968]

Yes except the top 4 teams based on the point system are the #1 seed in each region/bracket.

The district point system is a horrible vehicle to use to eliminate ½ the teams statewide. Look no further than the amendment that had to be made early on to correct head to head results in district seeding. We're supposed to strive to improve the system, not skew backwards towards a point system that eliminated teams with zero or one loss back in the '70s and '80s.

 

[J. Kane]

You must be from West Plains as you clearly want the easiest route possible for them.

 

[USArmyMike]

The district point system is a horrible vehicle to use to eliminate ½ the teams statewide. Look no further than the amendment that had to be made early on to correct head to head results in district seeding. We're supposed to strive to improve the system, not skew backwards towards a point system that eliminated teams with zero or one loss back in the '70s and '80s.

Well this system doesn’t eliminate 1/2 and it’s not remotely close to the system in the 70s or 80s where only the top 4 originally made the playoffs.

Hell 7 teams have losing records in my system and not one team with a winning record was eliminated.

Participation #s have been rapidly declining and lining up and 0-9 team so they can potentially get drop kicked by the eventual state champ 65-0 isn’t doing the sport any favors.

 

[Cards1968]

Well this system doesn’t eliminate 1/2 and it’s not remotely close to the system in the 70s or 80s where only the top 4 originally made the playoffs.

Hell 7 teams have losing records in my system and not one team with a winning record was eliminated.

Participation #s have been rapidly declining and lining up and 0-9 team so they can potentially get drop kicked by the eventual state champ 65-0 isn’t doing the sport any favors.

Those teams have the option to forfeit and have done so on multiple occasions. The only ones complaining are football fans that want to be entertained in week 10. My suggestion would be to take that week off if it bothers you so much.

 

[USArmyMike]

Those teams have the option to forfeit and have done so on multiple occasions. The only ones complaining are football fans that want to be entertained in week 10. My suggestion would be to take that week off if it bothers you so much.

No their not. Why do you think Mshsaa looking to make changes again. It’s going to happen after next season. Bank of it.

Trust me. I’ve been on that bottom seed team trying to decide to play or not. If you think it’s easy to do you’ve lost your mind.
I went and took my ass woopin due to pressure from administration and had a previous state qualifier lose his wrestling season over it

 

[J. Kane]

No their not. Why do you think Mshsaa looking to make changes again. It’s going to happen after next season. Bank of it.

Trust me. I’ve been on that bottom seed team trying to decide to play or not. If you think it’s easy to do you’ve lost your mind.
I went and took my ass woopin due to pressure from administration and had a previous state qualifier lose his wrestling season over it

 

[J. Kane]

No their not. Why do you think Mshsaa looking to make changes again. It’s going to happen after next season. Bank of it.

Trust me. I’ve been on that bottom seed team trying to decide to play or not. If you think it’s easy to do you’ve lost your mind.
I went and took my ass woopin due to pressure from administration and had a previous state qualifier lose his wrestling season over it

Sounds like you did a great job.

 

[HBL Pirates fan_1990]

i never heard so most clownish stuff on this site until today. I'm sorry but Mshsaa has to change something. if you guys all about rivalries and big matchups just be it. High School football is about Playoff's that why Texas, Illionis and Florida is the best when it comes to Playoffs. District Quarterfinals and Semifinals are the most boring game around if u like these games you guy's has lost it. Eliminate the 0-9 1-8 teams and bring back the Thanksgiving weekend championship!!!

 

[TheRealJoey]

i never heard so most clownish stuff on this site until today. I'm sorry but Mshsaa has to change something. if you guys all about rivalries and big matchups just be it. High School football is about Playoff's that why Texas, Illionis and Florida is the best when it comes to Playoffs. District Quarterfinals and Semifinals are the most boring game around if u like these games you guy's has lost it. Eliminate the 0-9 1-8 teams and bring back the Thanksgiving weekend championship!!!

Wrestling coaches around the state applaud this concept.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Obviously playoff system hear is constantly debated. Is there a way to to give a little bit to of something to everyone? The current system does what it needs to do. Crown a state champ. I think it doesn't always put the most deserving teams in the best position to end up where they should but you gotta win right?

I think this system I have come up with put a lot of ideas into one. Stay with the 9 game season and, using the current point system, take the top 32 in each class. 24 or 16 for class 6 in the current set up. If MSHSAA caps class 1 and 6 at 48, like most think they should, then top 24. Allow teams that don't qualify for the playoffs to schedule 1 post season game. I noticed other states allow schools to do this.

Take the top 4 schools with the point system as your top seeds and divide into 4 regions/brackets. Southeast, Southwest, Northeast and Northwest. The bracket winners will be set up 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 based on how the top 4 teams in the point system.

I used class 4 as an example for no particular reason. Pretend the regular season didn't happen as this is based on the regular season.

	North East (1)
1	St. Mary's (St. Louis)	7-2	51.59
2	Hannibal	7-2	45.15
3	Parkway Central	7-2	44.47
4	Vashon	6-2	42.72
5	Hazelwood East	7-2	40.44
6	Parkway North	5-4	36.92
7	Kirksville	5-4	32.68
8	St. Dominic	4-5	31.31
	South East (3)
1	Rockwood Summit	8-1	50.53
2	Hillsboro	8-1	47.75
3	Union	9-0	47.6
4	Jefferson City	5-4	40.85
5	North County	7-2	38.71
6	Festus	4-5	30.21
7	Gateway	4-5	30.09
8	Farmington	3-6	28.22
	North West (4)
1	Smithville	8-1	48.81
2	Center	9-0	48.07
3	Lincoln College Prep	8-1	42.1
4	Van Horn	6-3	38.42
5	Grandview	5-4	37.44
6	Warrensburg	4-5	31.04
7	Harrisonville	4-5	29.97
8	Excelsior Springs	3-6	29.94
	South West (2)
1	Kearney	9-0	51.31
2	West Plains	6-3	44.85
3	Nevada	7-2	41.82
4	Carl Junction	3-6	37.4
5	Bolivar	3-6	33.74
6	Logan-Rogersville	5-4	32.18
7	Marshfield	5-4	31.71
8	McDonald County	5-4	30.9

You already have a flaw Monett soundly beat both Logan Rogerville and Mac County yet you don't have them making the playoffs? That is why you cannot do points.

 

[MoSooner69]

NO need to end on Thanksgiving weekend. Those other states that you want to pattern after, do not end on Thanksgiving weekend.

 

[HBL Pirates fan_1990]

NO need to end on Thanksgiving weekend. Those other states that you want to pattern after, do not end on Thanksgiving weekend.

first off if i remember right they're was a Class 6 Championship game played over this past weekend so jokes on you, Illionis ended their state Championship's this past weekend also. Florida and Texas has a reason to end their Championship later. Florida is about 20 to 30 Degrees warmer than Missouri this time of year and Texas plays in a dome for their State Championship's!!!

 

[J. Kane]

Sounds like you did a great job.

 

[USArmyMike]

Sounds like you did a great job.

Man if you only knew….

 

[MoSooner69]

Not sure how the joke is on me. 2 of the 3 you mentioned have not finished yet. By the way Oklahoma has not finished yet, either No need to finish Thanksgiving weekend. Get rid of conferences, go back to a 10 game schedule, 8 team districts, you play the teams in your district, and three of your choosing. Top 4 teams advance and you cross-bracket so that you dont immediately play the teams you just played.

 

[USArmyMike]

You already have a flaw Monett soundly beat both Logan Rogerville and Mac County yet you don't have them making the playoffs? That is why you cannot do points.

Even if you just do records then both those schools are in over Monett. There isn’t a perfect system which is why I went with over half the class making the playoffs. Is a system the doesn’t include a team that only wins 3 games in the regular season really that flawed?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Even if you just do records then both those schools are in over Monett. There isn’t a perfect system which is why I went with over half the class making the playoffs. Is a system the doesn’t include a team that only wins 3 games in the regular season really that flawed?

Yes if they are better than the team that won 5. Don't you want the best teams not best records?

This is why the points system was not good at determining playoff teams back in the 70's and 80's and you want to bring it back?

 

[Cards1968]

Yes if they are better than the team that won 5. Don't you want the best teams not best records?

This is why the points system was not good at determining playoff teams back in the 70's and 80's and you want to bring it back?

But Week 10 blowouts!!! Eau ma gaud! Da horror!

Still can't believe people want to scrap the best playoff system we've ever had. Tweak it? Sure. Scrap it and move backwards? No way.

 

[USArmyMike]

Yes if they are better than the team that won 5. Don't you want the best teams not best records?

This is why the points system was not good at determining playoff teams back in the 70's and 80's and you want to bring it back?

Oh you mean a system the left out undefeated team 🙄. Yeah that’s the same. Especially when the old point system was solely based on how many points you beat someone.

 

[Cards1968]

Oh you mean a system the left out undefeated team 🙄. Yeah that’s the same. Especially when the old point system was solely based on how many points you beat someone.

South Shelby ~ 10 years ago would have been left out and they made the championship game.

 

[USArmyMike]

But Week 10 blowouts!!! Eau ma gaud! Da horror!

Still can't believe people want to scrap the best playoff system we've ever had. Tweak it? Sure. Scrap it and move backwards? No way.

Yes because excluding teams that only win 3 games is moving backwards. 🤣🤣🤣. What a joke. Let’s just give everyone a ribbon.

You have offered nothing to this conversation. No ideas or suggestions. Literally nothing.

The sport is slowly dying and because of people like you.

“For our playoffs let’s have the worst team in the state play the best team in the state!!”

“Yes, best idea ever”

When you have a system that has teams go undefeated in the regular season and not make the playoffs, then it’s not a great system.

 

[USArmyMike]

South Shelby ~ 10 years ago would have been left out and they made the championship game.

They absolutely would have made the playoffs in this system. Try again

 

[Cards1968]

They absolutely would have made the playoffs in this system. Try again

Show it

 

[Cards1968]

Yes because excluding teams that only win 3 games is moving backwards. 🤣🤣🤣. What a joke. Let’s just give everyone a ribbon.

You have offered nothing to this conversation. No ideas or suggestions. Literally nothing.

The sport is slowly dying and because of people like you.

“For our playoffs let’s have the worst team in the state play the best team in the state!!”

“Yes, best idea ever”

When you have a system that has teams go undefeated in the regular season and not make the playoffs, then it’s not a great system.

I haven't offered anything because nothing needs changed

 

[USArmyMike]

Show it

You’re telling me a team that won 6 regular season games would miss the playoffs? 🤣🤣🤣

You made the claim all-star now prove it.

 

[USArmyMike]

I haven't offered anything because nothing needs changed

Oh now you’re gonna back track. Did you not say it could be tweaked? Now tweak it…….

 

[Cards1968]

Oh now you’re gonna back track. Did you not say it could be tweaked? Now tweak it…….

I said it COULD be tweaked. Something like Mississippi does with district games in the regular season. Since conferences are so entrenched in Missouri it will never happen, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. Certainly wouldn't want to see half (or near half depending on class size) eliminated via computer spreadsheet designed to compare teams for seeding purposes in a statewide fashion heavily slanted towards team records.

 

[Cards1968]

You’re telling me a team that won 6 regular season games would miss the playoffs? 🤣🤣🤣

You made the claim all-star now prove it.

I have those district points in a database on my old computer. I'll dig it out sometime this week since you refuse to prove your proposal.

 

[Cards1968]

What's wrong with what we got??? Everyone gets a fair chance and you win them all you get the big trophy

Exactly.

 

[USArmyMike]

I have those district points in a database on my old computer. I'll dig it out sometime this week since you refuse to prove your proposal.

Those districts points aren’t the current system. But I bet you already know that. You’re not slick. You intentionally pick I team before the current point system because you know it can’t be done 100% countered.

Not one single team with a winning record would miss the post season.

Your only argument is teams with losing records would make the playoffs. What a loser mentality.