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Takeaways from Mueller's testimony

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Russia interfered to help Trump
Trump welcomed Russian interference and lied about it
Trump tried to shut down Special Counsel Investigation
Trump was "generally" untruthful in some written responses
Trump has not been exonerated of obstruction
 
Russia interfered to help Trump
Trump welcomed Russian interference and lied about it
Trump tried to shut down Special Counsel Investigation
Trump was "generally" untruthful in some written responses
Trump has not been exonerated of obstruction

Looking through a Democrat's rose colored glasses...you've got nothing and Trump will likely be President in 2020.

But keep looking through those rose colored glasses, whatever helps I guess.
 
Looking through a Democrat's rose colored glasses...you've got nothing and Trump will likely be President in 2020.

But keep looking through those rose colored glasses, whatever helps I guess.
Tell me and prove me wrong on any one of those items. Nothing rose colored about those facts.
 
Throughout his testimony in the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday, and despite multiple efforts to divert him, former special counsel Robert Mueller was focused on just the two issues that were the topics of his official report: Russia’s interference with the 2016 presidential campaign and possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump.Both Republicans and Democrats disliked it, and found it weak, when Mueller answered their lengthy questions by referring to that report. “I rely on the language of the report,” he sometimes said.But there was nothing weak about that. He remained faithful to his opening statement, when he vowed that he would not “summarize or describe the results of our work in a different way in the course of my testimony today.”On matters of this gravity, it would be a mistake, even a betrayal of national ideals, to focus on whether Democrats or Republicans won political advantage as a result of Mueller’s testimony.Mueller made it clear that his largest concern is with Russia’s extraordinary effort to disrupt U.S. democratic processes. As he put it, “The Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.”On one of the rare occasions when he went beyond his role as a lawyer and showed flashes of emotion, he said this:Over the course of my career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious. And as I said on May 29, this deserves the attention of every American.In his report and testimony, Mueller depicts the Trump campaign not as conspiring or coordinating with Russia, but as enthusiastically welcoming its efforts. Agree or not, those efforts represent a continuing danger.To members of Congress, Mueller’s challenge was clear: What are you going to do about that?With respect to obstruction of justice, Mueller’s report is highly ambiguous.You could understand it to say: Under Justice Department guidance, a president cannot be indicted, so we will not resolve the difficult question whether Trump obstructed justice. Alternatively, you could understand it to say: Trump obstructed justice, but because a president can’t be indicted and so cannot defend himself, we won’t say so in plain terms.Mueller’s testimony maintained the ambiguity. At one point, before the House Judiciary Committee, he seemed to suggest that Trump did indeed obstruct justice. Representative Ted Lieu of California asked, “I’d like to ask you the reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of [Office of Legal Counsel] opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?” Mueller’s brisk answer was damning: “That is correct.”But hours later, before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller went out of his way to walk that back. He clarified that Lieu’s formulation “is not to correct way to say it.” He essentially reiterated the language of the report: “We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime.”So the ambiguity remains. At the very least, Mueller left it open to Congress to investigate whether Trump obstructed justice, perhaps in proceedings that would precede an impeachment investigation.At the same time, Mueller was clear on one point. Asked by Representative Val Demings of Florida whether it would be accurate to say that "lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation," Mueller responded, "I would generally agree with that."Let’s not lose the forest for the trees. Many Democrats desperately hoped that Mueller would bring Trump down. They wanted him to be a kind of 21st-century Kenneth Starr, the crusading independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton’s sexual encounter with a White House aide.In his report and testimony in 1998, Starr lost his moorings. He became a political actor, a kind of partisan, insufficiently tethered to the Constitution and his own role.Mueller never came close to doing that. He kept his eye on the ball: foreign interference in U.S. elections and serious presidential misconduct. His quiet dignity was the best imaginable rebuke to those who insist on seeing his investigation in partisan terms — including the president himself.

Throughout his testimony in the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday, and despite multiple efforts to divert him, former special counsel Robert Mueller was focused on just the two issues that were the topics of his official report: Russia’s interference with the 2016 presidential campaign and possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump.

Both Republicans and Democrats disliked it, and found it weak, when Mueller answered their lengthy questions by referring to that report. “I rely on the language of the report,” he sometimes said.

But there was nothing weak about that. He remained faithful to his opening statement, when he vowed that he would not “summarize or describe the results of our work in a different way in the course of my testimony today.”

On matters of this gravity, it would be a mistake, even a betrayal of national ideals, to focus on whether Democrats or Republicans won political advantage as a result of Mueller’s testimony.

Mueller made it clear that his largest concern is with Russia’s extraordinary effort to disrupt U.S. democratic processes. As he put it, “The Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.”

On one of the rare occasions when he went beyond his role as a lawyer and showed flashes of emotion, he said this:

Over the course of my career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious. And as I said on May 29, this deserves the attention of every American.

In his report and testimony, Mueller depicts the Trump campaign not as conspiring or coordinating with Russia, but as enthusiastically welcoming its efforts. Agree or not, those efforts represent a continuing danger.

To members of Congress, Mueller’s challenge was clear: What are you going to do about that?

With respect to obstruction of justice, Mueller’s report is highly ambiguous.

You could understand it to say: Under Justice Department guidance, a president cannot be indicted, so we will not resolve the difficult question whether Trump obstructed justice. Alternatively, you could understand it to say: Trump obstructed justice, but because a president can’t be indicted and so cannot defend himself, we won’t say so in plain terms.

Mueller’s testimony maintained the ambiguity. At one point, before the House Judiciary Committee, he seemed to suggest that Trump did indeed obstruct justice. Representative Ted Lieu of California asked, “I’d like to ask you the reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of [Office of Legal Counsel] opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?”

Mueller’s brisk answer was damning: “That is correct.”

But hours later, before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller went out of his way to walk that back. He clarified that Lieu’s formulation “is not to correct way to say it.” He essentially reiterated the language of the report: “We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime.”

So the ambiguity remains. At the very least, Mueller left it open to Congress to investigate whether Trump obstructed justice, perhaps in proceedings that would precede an impeachment investigation.

At the same time, Mueller was clear on one point. Asked by Representative Val Demings of Florida whether it would be accurate to say that "lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation," Mueller responded, "I would generally agree with that."

Let’s not lose the forest for the trees. Many Democrats desperately hoped that Mueller would bring Trump down. They wanted him to be a kind of 21st-century Kenneth Starr, the crusading independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton’s sexual encounter with a White House aide.

In his report and testimony in 1998, Starr lost his moorings. He became a political actor, a kind of partisan, insufficiently tethered to the Constitution and his own role.

Mueller never came close to doing that. He kept his eye on the ball: foreign interference in U.S. elections and serious presidential misconduct. His quiet dignity was the best imaginable rebuke to those who insist on seeing his investigation in partisan terms — including the president himself.
 
Tell me and prove me wrong on any one of those items. Nothing rose colored about those facts.

If these idiots are still defending this criminal after it was spelled out for them they will never wake up. So his defenders are either really freakin stupid or equally as evil. A lost cause.
 
Russia interfered to help Trump
Trump welcomed Russian interference and lied about it
Trump tried to shut down Special Counsel Investigation
Trump was "generally" untruthful in some written responses
Trump has not been exonerated of obstruction
How do you know any of this is fact???

Mueller has charged 13 Russian entities with trying to influence our election.

He has not a single conviction, people are innocent until tried and convicted in a court of law in our nation
 
Tell me and prove me wrong on any one of those items. Nothing rose colored about those facts.

If these idiots are still defending this criminal after it was spelled out for them they will never wake up. So his defenders are either really freakin stupid or equally as evil. A lost cause.

So impeach him. If you have all this evidence and it's not just an enormous endless political witch hunt, then PLEASE impeach, remove from Office, and criminally convict. What's stopping you if it's such a cut and dry, indefensible case?
 
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Russia interfered to help Trump
Trump welcomed Russian interference and lied about it
Trump tried to shut down Special Counsel Investigation
Trump was "generally" untruthful in some written responses
Trump has not been exonerated of obstruction
How many times did Mueller answer “I don’t subscribe to your analysis “ during democratic questioning???

He was telling Dems they were full of it
 
How do you know any of this is fact???

Mueller has charged 13 Russian entities with trying to influence our election.

He has not a single conviction, people are innocent until tried and convicted in a court of law in our nation

His own people spilled the beans.
Read the freakin report.
Good Lord. You are so deep in denial
your ears must be popping.
Even the repubs Wednesday didn’t question any of the facts in the report. They only attacked the investigators and process.
 
How do you know any of this is fact???

Mueller has charged 13 Russian entities with trying to influence our election.

He has not a single conviction, people are innocent until tried and convicted in a court of law in our nation
And YOU know he could NOT charge Trump and YOU know the Russians ain't comin here for a trial. If YOU still don't believe the Russian interference happened then I cannot help ya.
 
And YOU know he could NOT charge Trump and YOU know the Russians ain't comin here for a trial. If YOU still don't believe the Russian interference happened then I cannot help ya.
Nobody has to show up for a trial. People go to trial and are convicted in absentia all the time. If what these Russians did was so terrible why have they not went to trial,, been convicted,, and arrest warrants filed for them with Interpole???

It’s because Mueller has no real, hard evidence against any of them. The corporate entities charged sent legal teams to plead not guilty and request all exculpatory evidence be turned over so they could prepare a defense and Mueller refused to.
 
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And YOU know he could NOT charge Trump and YOU know the Russians ain't comin here for a trial. If YOU still don't believe the Russian interference happened then I cannot help ya.
We still broadcast Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty all over Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle East and Asia which is nothing but American propaganda attempting to influence the regions people in the way they think and vote. We are sticking our nose right in the middle of those countries political process.

Exactly how is what the Russians do, using social media to influence our political process any different??

Besides anyone who actually believes anything on Facebook and Twitter is too ignorant to be allowed to vote
 
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We still broadcast Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty all over Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle East and Asia which is nothing but American propaganda attempting to influence the regions people in the way they think and vote. We are sticking our nose right in the middle of those countries political process.

Exactly how is what the Russians do, using social media to influence our political process any different??

Besides anyone who actually believes anything on Facebook and Twitter is too ignorant to be allowed to vote

The difference is they had full cooperation from the Trump campaign.

If you actually switched off Fox News for a week you would know Cambridge Analytica gathered data on millions of Facebook users and studied what characteristics people had who were easily influenced. Manafort gave the Russians the critical swing state areas that Trump had to win and the voter data and they went after it.

And when Obama went to McConnell and wanted to alert American voters before the election, Putin’s Mitch refused to release a bipartisan statement. Now Moscow Mitch won’t pass the bills to stop Putin in 2020.

Every word I just typed is true but somehow it will bounce right off your rubber head.
 
The difference is they had full cooperation from the Trump campaign.

If you actually switched off Fox News for a week you would know Cambridge Analytica gathered data on millions of Facebook users and studied what characteristics people had who were easily influenced. Manafort gave the Russians the critical swing state areas that Trump had to win and the voter data and they went after it.

And when Obama went to McConnell and wanted to alert American voters before the election, Putin’s Mitch refused to release a bipartisan statement. Now Moscow Mitch won’t pass the bills to stop Putin in 2020.

Every word I just typed is true but somehow it will bounce right off your rubber head.

People like you are the reason I no longer vote Democrat. You're nuts, you're delusional, you're deranged.

Every word I just typed is true but somehow it will bounce right off your rubber head.
 
How do you know any of this is fact???
Russia interfered to help Trump YOU DOUBT THIS?

Trump welcomed Russian interference and lied about it LOOK IT UP

Trump tried to shut down Special Counsel Investigation
Trump was "generally" untruthful in some written responses
Trump has not been exonerated of obstruction
We still broadcast Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty all over Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle East and Asia which is nothing but American propaganda attempting to influence the regions people in the way they think and vote. We are sticking our nose right in the middle of those countries political process.

Exactly how is what the Russians do, using social media to influence our political process any different??

Besides anyone who actually believes anything on Facebook and Twitter is too ignorant to be allowed to vote
ag-man you started out mild-mannered, but it didn't take long to kick in.
You have been reported for getting a new name and coming back. People are blacklisted not people's screen names.
 
And when Obama went to McConnell and wanted to alert American voters before the election, Putin’s Mitch refused to release a bipartisan statement.

Since Obama made a speech not a month before the election saying it was impossible for Russia to affect our election process, how does this square?
Just more unfounded hyperbole.
 
The difference is they had full cooperation from the Trump campaign.

If you actually switched off Fox News for a week you would know Cambridge Analytica gathered data on millions of Facebook users and studied what characteristics people had who were easily influenced. Manafort gave the Russians the critical swing state areas that Trump had to win and the voter data and they went after it.

And when Obama went to McConnell and wanted to alert American voters before the election, Putin’s Mitch refused to release a bipartisan statement. Now Moscow Mitch won’t pass the bills to stop Putin in 2020.

Every word I just typed is true but somehow it will bounce right off your rubber head.
Russia interfered to help Trump YOU DOUBT THIS?

Trump welcomed Russian interference and lied about it LOOK IT UP

Trump tried to shut down Special Counsel Investigation
Trump was "generally" untruthful in some written responses
Trump has not been exonerated of obstruction

ag-man you started out mild-mannered, but it didn't take long to kick in.
You have been reported for getting a new name and coming back. People are blacklisted not people's screen names.
Hold on a minute,,,,Trump is head of the Justice Dept. he could have shut it down any time he wanted to.

When did he ever try to shut it down??? Wanting to replace a bumbling fool like Mueller is not shutting down the investigation,,,,it’s putting someone else in charge

After seeing Mueller as pathetic as he was this week it’s kind of hard to argue he should be in charge of anything,,,much less investigating the President of our Nation
 
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