Shout out to the "Conservatives"
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So are you saying the liberal left has not been using the government to legislate its desired immorality for decades?
my main argument is they aren't really any different. But, the liberals have generally pushed for the conservative position (government shouldn't be interfering in private lives) more than the republicans have for the past 25 years.
When the Christian Right created the culture wars in politics, it turned the republicans into the more activist party, because it was important for them politically to lock up that part of the base. The Ds are striking back hard now that they know social issues are a winner for them.
Strategically, the Rs really should stop fighting these battles so publicly, these issues are electoral losers for them, and they have no real ability to win battles of substance here long term. Gay marriage is here. ENDA will be law at some point. Public acceptance of transgender individuals rises every year. Etc. this issue is dead. The faster the party gets it, the easier it will be for it to win the presidency.
When the Christian Right created the culture wars in politics, it turned the republicans into the more activist party, because it was important for them politically to lock up that part of the base. The Ds are striking back hard now that they know social issues are a winner for them.
Strategically, the Rs really should stop fighting these battles so publicly, these issues are electoral losers for them, and they have no real ability to win battles of substance here long term. Gay marriage is here. ENDA will be law at some point. Public acceptance of transgender individuals rises every year. Etc. this issue is dead. The faster the party gets it, the easier it will be for it to win the presidency.
No matter how you say it, that equals Harry Potter over the Bible......which is what I said he said.
That's not what I said. Read it one more time. You really do interpret things exactly how you want to. If you can't figure out a single paragraph (which everyone else seems to be able to decipher) why should anyone trust your interpretation of the Bible?
Does that apply to pedofiles also? I saw an article on that that they can't change who they are.
There is a significant difference between someone whose actions directly affect others in a very negative way and someone whose actions do not materially affect others.
If you are aggrieved by gay marriage, that is your own problem caused by your own internal bias. There is no substantive harm to you - no economic loss, no impact on your ability to marry, no impact on your health, whatever. You cannot say that about being molested.
There are several states where minors can obtain abortions without parental consent. How long before a child sues to be able to make their own decisions in other issues affecting their own body?
They already do. Child emancipation isn't an emerging branch of the law. There are countless court cases and state laws dealing with the situations where children may make decisions with or without parental consent.
The laws are generally clear that as long as parents are exercising a duty of care over a minor, their will generally dominates except for in limited situations defined by statute.
Not trying to be an ass. There is probably a lot of things that we didn't think would happen 30 years ago.
It's highly unlikely a child under...say 15 will be given legal rights. And if it were to happen it would be an isolated case (emancipation) vs a rule for everyone.
Even in cases of legal emancipation from parents, it's often limited to the situation where the parent has failed to provide a duty of care.
You said a passage from Harry Potter was MORE RELEVANT than Bible passages. That means YOU THINK Harry Potter is more valuable or trustworthy PERIOD!!!! If you can't even own what you said when it is in black and white, there is no discussion with you that will be fruitfull.
I don't see how you think Harry Potter having EQUAL value as the Bible makes your case. The passages I listed were from the New Testament and plainly say homosexuality is a sin to God. You thinking the wisdom of Harry Potter in direct opposition to those scripture passages (not rogue verses) is to be trusted EQUALLY.
I stand corrected.
Care to explain how a "Christian" can place as much value in Harry Potter as the Bible?
Care to explain how those passages listed aren't relevant?
Care to explain why you've stalled this whole thread over semantics?
That quote was as appropriate and applicable as any of the Bible quotes you want to wave in other people's faces.
They're both as admissible from a legal or logical standpoint. That is all.
His point is that which you cite is not a justification for a law in a secular country.
If you were paying attention, I wasn't using scripture to justify a legal position! I was citing those passages in response to Cowherds post. Veer had also commented about homosexuality in the Levitical law and I was showing it was New Testament teaching. Jefferson then said Harry Potter was as useful causing my response to him.
It wasn't a legal discussion you responded to. The topic was what Jesus and the Bible said about homosexuality. Why didn't you say you were changing the subject?
Congrats on proving Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.
I guess you think incest is OK too since Jesus never said anything about that either. What about Drug use? Suicide?
Jesus did address how men and women were created and their role together. Seems pretty cut and dried to me when coupled with other scriptures.
Jesus did address how men and women were created and their role together. Seems pretty cut and dried to me when coupled with other scriptures.
http://thelifebridgechurch.com/homosexuality-really-bad/
The scriptural view of homosexuality and homosexuals.
Of course, if you aren't a Christian, this is irrelevant. Most of you claim to be though.
The scriptural view of homosexuality and homosexuals.
Of course, if you aren't a Christian, this is irrelevant. Most of you claim to be though.
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Miller is like the homo hating redneck on the classic film American Beauty. Down deep he is compensating for the fact that he really wants to have relations with men. I am rooting for you to live your dreams Miller.
Miller is like the homo hating redneck on the classic film American Beauty. Down deep he is compensating for the fact that he really wants to have relations with men. I am rooting for you to live your dreams Miller.
From the original language...you do get the bible wasn't written in English, right?
It wasn't? That changes everything!
The Greek says the same things as ALL the translations do. Care to explain how you think it doesn't? I'm open for some "serious" discussion.
The Greek says the same things as ALL the translations do. Care to explain how you think it doesn't? I'm open for some "serious" discussion.
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