NWMO HSFB 2022 quick review and a way too early peek ahead to 2023

[Howell20]

Howell smoked both 6A Columbia Rock Bridge (8-3) Troy (8-3) & Luthern North, Carthage, Fort...Crappy teams?
They smoked a Carthage team that almost beat Nixa. Nixa lost to LSN by 14.
LN gets embarrassed by CBC. Howell plays even with CBC.
Troy & Luthern North were both better then Fort & Carthage.

Side note LN has almost 400 more students then Howell. If Howell had another 400.....

 

[HHSX2]

And what does this have to do with Howell? Howell had an easy schdule...the second highest rated team they beat was FORT. And now this guy is claiming they would beat everyone in class 6---even though history has shown that to be completely untrue.

You brought Kearney into the conversation. You tried to discredit a win over Fort by saying Kearney torched them in week 2. Now would they beat LSN or LN probably not. Would it be better game than what you think. Probably so. Joey by the way, I am just tweaking your beard. I figured I better get my jabs in now before next season since the way it is looking no one will be able to make fun of Kearney next year.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Howell smoked both 6A Columbia Rock Bridge (8-3) Troy (8-3) & Luthern North, Carthage, Fort...Crappy teams?
They smoked a Carthage team that almost beat Nixa. Nixa lost to LSN by 14.
LN gets embarrassed by CBC. Howell plays even with CBC.
Troy & Luthern North were both better then Fort & Carthage.

Side note LN has almost 400 more students then Howell. If Howell had another 400.....

 

[love- the- game]

Peaking? They had about 300 yards vs. Smithville and had 5 turnovers. Show me teams that win with 5 turnovers? Reverse it, and K wins by 20 - 35 points.

Kind of like the first time they played, but Kearney only won by 1, they did not turbo clock Smithville.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Kind of like the first time they played, but Kearney only won by 1, they did not turbo clock Smithville.

Smithville had 2 turnovers. K had a fumble that stopped a drive in game 1. NOT FIVE TURNOVERS.
Next season, it will take 5 for SV to get a one point win.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Smithville had 2 turnovers. K had a fumble that stopped a drive in game 1. NOT FIVE TURNOVERS.
Next season, it will take 5 for SV to get a one point win.

 

[LisaLietzke33]

Smithville had 2 turnovers. K had a fumble that stopped a drive in game 1. NOT FIVE TURNOVERS.
Next season, it will take 5 for SV to get a one point win.

Does your head coach ever just walk into the coaches office and slap you across the room?

Asking for some friends.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Does your head coach ever just walk into the coaches office and slap you across the room?

Asking for some friends.

Do your co-workers at the club ever jump off the pole and slap you around? Asking for some guys interested in a weekend in las Vegas with you and your kind.

 

[Howell20]

And what does this have to do with Howell? Howell had an easy schdule...the second highest rated team they beat was FORT. And now this guy is claiming they would beat everyone in class 6---even though history has shown that to be completely untrue.

Quote me where I said they would beat everyone & what does past history have to do with this year chief? This is the best Howell team to date and winning a state title will attract a lot more athletes to build on an already dominate program. Many of you are butthurt a public from other side of the state won a state title taking away from you all crying about STL "private school cheaters debate". Its not just the private schools taking home titles.

 

[503_Maple]

Quote me where I said they would beat everyone & what does past history have to do with this year chief? This is the best Howell team to date and winning a state title will attract a lot more athletes to build on an already dominate program. Many of you are butthurt a public from other side of the state won a state title taking away from you all crying about STL "private school cheaters debate". It’s not just the private schools taking home titles.

STL translations

“Attract” recruit in however the hell each school does it and who does it. It gets done.

Better stop admitting. Usarmymike is going to throw a fit. It doesn’t happen unless we admit every school in the state does it.

 

[thetophat2021]

I think Kearney got lucky they caught Fort early. I'm sure if Fort got a second chance, it would have ended up much like the second Smithville game for Kearney.

When you are mediocre for a number of years and essentially drop off the radar yes I agree you can catch some teams off guard. There were a number of circumstances that caused that result one of the biggest was Fort, for some reason, chose Week 2 for HOMECOMING.

 

[TheRealJoey]

When you are mediocre for a number of years and essentially drop off the radar yes I agree you can catch some teams off guard. There were a number of circumstances that caused that result one of the biggest was Fort, for some reason, chose Week 2 for HOMECOMING.

Down 29-3 at half to K, and you have to go do the Homecoming Court, while your team is stunned in the locker room, trying to figure out how they got their asses handed to them.

 

[fbguy]

Apples and Oranges on points...

Liberty North had 7 opponents better than Howell's 3rd best opponent.

Lee's Summit North had 9 opponents ranked better than Howell's 3rd best opponent.

Howell's second best ranked opponent was Fort, who got torched by Class 4 Kearney. THey were meh, this year.

What are you basing this on?

 

[TheRealJoey]

What are you basing this on?

Maxpreps/Calpreps ranking and scores.

 

[HHSX2]

Maxpreps has Howell over LSN in the last State of MO rankings. Not sure if I agree with it, but they were good.

 

[503_Maple]

Maxpreps and Calpreps are worthless. Maxpreps only effort is represented in having people hired to enquire about the state feelings on teams and crunching numbers for rankings. It’s not deep, not a good idea to use them for accuracy on who is going to do what. Calpreps is kinda in the same camp. But there’s also some problems with local media rankings too. They have biases. So there’s problems with it all. Just always find it funny when the calpreps arguments break out during the off season lol It’s gospel during the off season.

 

[LisaLietzke33]

Maxpreps and Calpreps are worthless. Maxpreps only effort is represented in having people hired to enquire about the state feelings on teams and crunching numbers for rankings. It’s not deep, not a good idea to use them for accuracy on who is going to do what. Calpreps is kinda in the same camp. But there’s also some problems with local media rankings too. They have biases. So there’s problems with it all. Just always find it funny when the calpreps arguments break out during the off season lol It’s gospel during the off season.

I like calpreps for PA football ratings for the simple reason you can see the other teams schedule strength. If you play a schedule where the teams you play are around .500 then you shouldn't be shocked when you lose in the playoffs.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Maxpreps and Calpreps are worthless. Maxpreps only effort is represented in having people hired to enquire about the state feelings on teams and crunching numbers for rankings. It’s not deep, not a good idea to use them for accuracy on who is going to do what. Calpreps is kinda in the same camp. But there’s also some problems with local media rankings too. They have biases. So there’s problems with it all. Just always find it funny when the calpreps arguments break out during the off season lol It’s gospel during the off season.

Objective analysis...based on performance. It is only worthless to you because it isn't giving you the result you want or bolstering your opinion. After an entire season of results, it is pretty accurate. Local media rankings are biased and subject to opinion. The accuracy of the preditions are there for all to see, and the rate of correct calls is extremely high. When point spreads are +7, it is almost 95% correct as you get into the late part of the season. It is a great tool--especially using the national ranking metric...

 

[USArmyMike]

STL translations

“Attract” recruit in however the hell each school does it and who does it. It gets done.

Better stop admitting. Usarmymike is going to throw a fit. It doesn’t happen unless we admit every school in the state does it.

Are you obsessed with me? I’m gonna warm you, I’ve got 5 kids that I know off. I’ll get you pregnant quick

 

[503_Maple]

Objective analysis...based on performance. It is only worthless to you because it isn't giving you the result you want or bolstering your opinion. After an entire season of results, it is pretty accurate. Local media rankings are biased and subject to opinion. The accuracy of the perditions are there for all to see, and the rate of correct calls is extremely high. When point spreads are +7, it is almost 95% correct as you get into the late part of the season. It is a great tool--especially using the national ranking metric...

This doesn’t need to be personal because they are gospel for you Joey. I don’t care for them, so it’s not for reasons related to my own personal searches for why I don’t care for them. You can enjoy their trivial purposes. I just don’t care for them.

 

[503_Maple]

Objective analysis...based on performance. It is only worthless to you because it isn't giving you the result you want or bolstering your opinion. After an entire season of results, it is pretty accurate. Local media rankings are biased and subject to opinion. The accuracy of the perditions are there for all to see, and the rate of correct calls is extremely high. When point spreads are +7, it is almost 95% correct as you get into the late part of the season. It is a great tool--especially using the national ranking metric...

I’ll give you this, the create fodder for off season message board forum conversations. Especially calpreps

 

[TheRealJoey]

I’ll give you this, the create fodder for off season message board forum conversations. Especially calpreps

Just like any other ranking...but based on objective numbers, not bias.

 

[503_Maple]

Just like any other ranking...but based on objective numbers, not bias.

Sure that’s why privates dominate the top of rankings on maxpreps. It can’t be because they are looking at recruits and rankings of players for their projections. While never watching the team play. Not sure how you trust any rankings system that never watched a lick of film for a team. Or watched the teams they are ranking play. I’ll take some local bias any day. (Will also mention I mentioned the local bias in my original comment) I’ll pay attention to the ones where the people ranking watch the teams they are ranking play.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Sure that’s why privates dominate the top of rankings on maxpreps. It can’t be because they are looking at recruits and rankings of players for their projections. While never watching the team play. Not sure how you trust any rankings system that never watched a lick of film for a team. Or watched the teams they are ranking play. I’ll take some local bias any day. (Will also mention I mentioned the local bias in my original comment) I’ll pay attention to the ones where the people ranking watch the teams they are ranking play.

True, there is a little of that. But overall, pretty freggin accurate. I trust it more than media rankings.

 

[thetophat2021]

Are you obsessed with me? I’m gonna warm you, I’ve got 5 kids that I know off. I’ll get you pregnant quick

 

[BoosterBosko]

WHOA HOO!!! Bosko likey!

 

[J. Kane]

 

[BoosterBosko]

WHOA HO!!! Bosko likey!!

 

[Nooner 5656]

it will be interesting g to see how many transfers the big KC publics pull in for next year. They get immediate eligibility, unless your a complete moron at filling out the paperwork. no-one works the HS transfer portal like lee's summit North. Liberty North aint bad either.

 

[fbguy]

Maxpreps/Calpreps ranking and scores.

I’m sorry. I wasn’t familiar with either of those. I found MaxPreps difficult to navigate. I found calpreps better, but just to be clear, is the calpreps you are talking about:

-The one that has Francis Howell ranked the 3rd team in the state overall and #1 in C5?

-The one that has Kearney ranked the 35th team and #5 in C4?

-Has Francis Howell’s schedule strength at 17.8 (3rd best in C5) which is more than 4 times Kearney’s 4.1 (8th in C4)?

-Has Francis Howell’s opponents’ record at 101-62 (62%)?

-Has Kearney’s opponents’ record at 63-64 (<50%)?

-Has Francis Howell’s conference (GAC south) ranked 5th?

-Has Kearney’s conference (Suburban Blue) ranked 16th?

-Has Francis Howell projected to win against Kearney 48-17?

-Has Francis Howell projected to win against Liberty North 26-22?

-Has Francie Howell projected to win against Lee’s Summit North 28-22?

 

[TheRealJoey]

I’m sorry. I wasn’t familiar with either of those. I found MaxPreps difficult to navigate. I found calpreps better, but just to be clear, is the calpreps you are talking about:

-The one that has Francis Howell ranked the 3rd team in the state overall and #1 in C5?

-The one that has Kearney ranked the 35th team and #5 in C4?

-Has Francis Howell’s schedule strength at 17.8 (3rd best in C5) which is more than 4 times Kearney’s 4.1 (8th in C4)?

-Has Francis Howell’s opponents’ record at 101-62 (62%)?

-Has Kearney’s opponents’ record at 63-64 (<50%)?

-Has Francis Howell’s conference (GAC south) ranked 5th?

-Has Kearney’s conference (Suburban Blue) ranked 16th?

-Has Francis Howell projected to win against Kearney 48-17?

-Has Francis Howell projected to win against Liberty North 26-22?

-Has Francie Howell projected to win against Lee’s Summit North 28-22?

Looking at overall schedule is one thing...looking at quality wins is another...using Calpreps

Howell's 4 best wins..

#776 Carthage (MO) (35-13),
#998 Fort Osage (Independence, MO) (49-21),
#1604 Troy-Buchanan (Troy, MO) (35-19),
#1790 Timberland (Wentzville, MO) (49-14)
drops off. Not in the ballpark city LN.

Liberty North's four best wins:
#198 Lee's Summit North (Lee's Summit, MO) (17-7),
#661 Blue Springs South (Blue Springs, MO) (37-6),
#661 Blue Springs South (Blue Springs, MO) (41-7),
#945 Park Hill South (Riverside, MO) (34-7),
#945 Park Hill South (Riverside, MO) (34-14),
#1213 Raymore-Peculiar (Peculiar, MO) (44-14),

 

[HHSX2]

Looking at overall schedule is one thing...looking at quality wins is another...using Calpreps

Howell's 4 best wins..

#776 Carthage (MO) (35-13),
#998 Fort Osage (Independence, MO) (49-21),
#1604 Troy-Buchanan (Troy, MO) (35-19),
#1790 Timberland (Wentzville, MO) (49-14)
drops off. Not in the ballpark city LN.

Liberty North's four best wins:
#198 Lee's Summit North (Lee's Summit, MO) (17-7),
#661 Blue Springs South (Blue Springs, MO) (37-6),
#661 Blue Springs South (Blue Springs, MO) (41-7),
#945 Park Hill South (Riverside, MO) (34-7),
#945 Park Hill South (Riverside, MO) (34-14),
#1213 Raymore-Peculiar (Peculiar, MO) (44-14),

Between Blue Springs south, Park Hills south, and Ray Pec they have 4 wins combined against teams with a winning record. Overall they do play a tougher schedule but I know if they that makes up for the rankings they receive.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Between Blue Springs south, Park Hills south, and Ray Pec they have 4 wins combined against teams with a winning record. Overall they do play a tougher schedule but I know if they that makes up for the rankings they receive.

Howell's a good team...they had little chance to have a tough schedule, but you can't hold that against them. But don't get on here whining about how they would be the #2 in Class 6. That is a fantasy.

 

[USArmyMike]

Howell's a good team...they had little chance to have a tough schedule, but you can't hold that against them. But don't get on here whining about how they would be the #2 in Class 6. That is a fantasy.

Agreed. I think Howell would be up there with LSN and LN but I do t think they win those contests. Howell had the depth but not top end talent of those 2 and CBC.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Agreed. I think Howell would be up there with LSN and LN but I do t think they win those contests. Howell had the depth but not top end talent of those 2 and CBC.

And I'm not saying they couldn't win in an upset. HIghly unlikely. This is not the Class 5 team that Jackson had a few years back. That team was freggin loaded.

 

[JoeENorthlando]

One team peaked at the right time and made it the championship game and one didn't make it out of their district. I would go with the one that made that it to the championship game in a rematch. Kearney peaked early. They didn't beat anyone with winning record after game three.

Yep, happened this year too. LOL...

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Yep, happened this year too. LOL...

man you're a sad little guy.
Better hope nobody copy/pastes your posts from the last 2 years and sends them to the supt with a cc to board members.

 

[thetophat2021]

One year ago my two NWMO teams to watch were LIBERTY NORTH and FORT OSAGE. Nobody could have predicted Jones' exit for Oregon which I do think, in retrospect, impacted the Eagles especially offensively. Fort was a model of overcoming early adversity and making a healthy run all the way to the Championship game so those two verified pretty well. What nobody could have predicted was the emergence of teams like KEARNEY and BLUE SPRINGS SOUTH. Another huge 2022 story was SMITHVILLE and how they showed the State that is a program built to stay. Nobody cares for consolation prizes in this fine sport but their effort vs. St. Mary's is something to be beyond proud of.

SO now on to a quick, way too early peek at 2023: My two main teams to watch are aforementioned KEARNEY and ROCKHURST who returns virtually everyone and should return to prominence (they showed signs of it at times during their daunting schedule this year). It will be very, very interesting to see how the ole Alma Mater files that hard lesson vs. Smithville in the cabinet and uses it for 2023 motivation with this very solid, deep JR class returning. In saying all of this I have no doubt, though, that LEE'S SUMMIT NORTH will enter next season the #1 team in the KC metro.

Overall it appears 8-man will continue to grow (they need to move to 8 districts and standardize with 11-man, frankly) and there is no way to know how especially the middle classes will break.

See you all next season! I tend to move on to other stuff once MO HSFB ends but will check in from time to time.

I don't think I did too bad here............................

 

[JoeENorthlando]

man you're a sad little guy.
Better hope nobody copy/pastes your posts from the last 2 years and sends them to the supt with a cc to board members.

Sad maybe? Accurate? Hell yeah. I projected this years’ k team in 2020 on here.

 

[HHSX2]

Yep, happened this year too. LOL...

Joey are you a female? You bring up more stuff than an ex girlfriend. 😂