Muslim in the White House

[thegoldenboy55]

Anybody take issue with what Carson said about a Muslim as President? Are you a fan of his comment, hate his comment, or indifferent because you don't think he is going to win anyways?

Personally, I can see where he is coming from, but wouldn't suggest publicly claiming that if I were running for President. Right or wrong, I just don't think it is good for a campaign. Interested on hearing your take.

 

[ag-man]

Anybody take issue with what Carson said about a Muslim as President? Are you a fan of his comment, hate his comment, or indifferent because you don't think he is going to win anyways?

Personally, I can see where he is coming from, but wouldn't suggest publicly claiming that if I were running for President. Right or wrong, I just don't think it is good for a campaign. Interested on hearing your take.

Well, I think that is an example of what is wrong with politics today. You see where he is coming from, but do not think it was a good idea to answer the question. So John Q Public wants to be lied to, that is what we are telling are politicians.

I personally think it is ironic when the dems talk about the "far right" or "radical right".

To me, when they indicate they want a muslim in the white house, a police officer cannot defend themselves against attack and are demonized for being racist, and have no problem with illegals crossing the border, looks to me like we have a "radical left".

And people wonder why the R's and D's are so far apart? They both suck from different ends.

 

[MORock]

Funny how everyone is up in arms about Carson's comment, but it wasn't nearly as big of an issue in the press when Romney's Mormon faith was roundly noted as a point of concern. Must have been the Mormon focus on family, aversion to alcohol, and vices such as swearing that put people off.

I don't believe that a person's religion should be a qualifier or dis-qualifier, however whether we want it to be or not there are prejudices around religion. It wasn't too long ago that the Roman Catholic religion of one of the most popular Presidents of the last 100 years was generally made to be a huge negative.

Personally as much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Carson. Maybe it is my lack of knowledge about Islam, but I have large concerns that the actions and speech of the so-called "not real adherents" isn't more roundly criticized by those within the faith. As well I respect Carson for his honesty. I'm not sure that he has my support, but he seems to be a man of integrity which makes him rare as a politician (in either party).

 

[thegoldenboy55]

Ag, would you agree that it wasn't wise for him to answer the question? Maybe I'm way off on this but during campaign season it seems like 99% of press is bad press. I think most Carson supporters probably winced a little when he made the comment (whether they agree or not). Unfortunately, I don't think that people vote for who they want to win, but vote for the person most likely to win vs. the opposing party, and that does suck.

MORock, I would agree that I don't think that it should be a qualifier or dis-qualifier, but would like to see somebody that is strong in their faith.... As long as it's my faith. Lol.

 

[ag-man]

Ag, would you agree that it wasn't wise for him to answer the question? Maybe I'm way off on this but during campaign season it seems like 99% of press is bad press. I think most Carson supporters probably winced a little when he made the comment (whether they agree or not). Unfortunately, I don't think that people vote for who they want to win, but vote for the person most likely to win vs. the opposing party, and that does suck.

MORock, I would agree that I don't think that it should be a qualifier or dis-qualifier, but would like to see somebody that is strong in their faith.... As long as it's my faith. Lol.

I am not saying he helped himself with his answer, and that says a lot more about the citizens of this country than it does about him, unfortunately.

 

[vbsideout]

Bottom line all these guys and gals claim to want to honor the constitution, but throw it out the window when it doesn't meet their needs or beliefs. This goes for both parties.

 

[Duck_walk]

Sorry youngsters but there were many who questioned whether Kennedy should be Pres. as a scary Catholic.

The real question is what the hell has Carson ever done to show he can be president. What is wrong with the repub party?

 

[MORock]

The same question should have been asked of Obama. Seriously, what were his qualifications? Never ran anything of any consequence, gave a good speech or two... what else?

 

[wcowherd]

The same question should have been asked of Obama. Seriously, what were his qualifications? Never ran anything of any consequence, gave a good speech or two... what else?

Went to Columbia and Harvard, editor of the Harvard law review, law professor at Chicago, and a legislator and the state, and national level. All more relevant to government than being a surgeon.

 

[Duck_walk]

Went to Columbia and Harvard, editor of the Harvard law review, law professor at Chicago, and a legislator and the state, and national level. All more relevant to government than being a surgeon.

What he said.

 

[MORock]

Went to Columbia and Harvard, editor of the Harvard law review, law professor at Chicago, and a legislator and the state, and national level. All more relevant to government than being a surgeon.

Yes, because lawyers are more capable than doctors... Sounds like an advertisement for Obamacare.

Bottom line is that like Dr. Carson, Obama had never run anything. Further, he is a product of arguably the most corrupt district in the U.S., and basically got elected as a step and fetch it for Jesse Jackson and his ilk. You might want to educate yourself on Chicago politics. That's the place were they re-elect convicted embezzlers to another term (Jesse Jackson Jr.). He was a junior legislator with little to no foreign policy experience. Gee, that's working out well for us.

I don't dislike Dr. Carson, but agree that he does not have the experience I desire. He does say things with which I agree, but he is not electable at this time.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Anybody take issue with what Carson said about a Muslim as President? Are you a fan of his comment, hate his comment, or indifferent because you don't think he is going to win anyways?

Personally, I can see where he is coming from, but wouldn't suggest publicly claiming that if I were running for President. Right or wrong, I just don't think it is good for a campaign. Interested on hearing your take.

It was a gift to the Democrats - another reminder to voters that the R Party stands for white Christians and no one else.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Well, I think that is an example of what is wrong with politics today. You see where he is coming from, but do not think it was a good idea to answer the question. So John Q Public wants to be lied to, that is what we are telling are politicians.

I personally think it is ironic when the dems talk about the "far right" or "radical right".

To me, when they indicate they want a muslim in the white house, a police officer cannot defend themselves against attack and are demonized for being racist, and have no problem with illegals crossing the border, looks to me like we have a "radical left".

And people wonder why the R's and D's are so far apart? They both suck from different ends.

What's really remarkable is he answered a question he wasn't even asked. I saw the clip again yesterday. Chuck Todd did not ask him if he was ok with a Muslim being President. Dr. Carson went there on his own.

It's an example of why the R Party establishment is terrified of Carson winning the nomination - he'll say things like this that torpedo his chances.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I am not saying he helped himself with his answer, and that says a lot more about the citizens of this country than it does about him, unfortunately.

I think it says something poor about him - he is unable to consider that someone with a different belief system could possibly be a good President. That shows a narrowness in thought that is concerning.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Sorry youngsters but there were many who questioned whether Kennedy should be Pres. as a scary Catholic.

The real question is what the hell has Carson ever done to show he can be president. What is wrong with the repub party?

The whole Carson for President thing is a joke. It says a lot about a subset of the R base that they would even consider him. He's not running for Surgeon General.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Yes, because lawyers are more capable than doctors... Sounds like an advertisement for Obamacare.

Bottom line is that like Dr. Carson, Obama had never run anything. Further, he is a product of arguably the most corrupt district in the U.S., and basically got elected as a step and fetch it for Jesse Jackson and his ilk. You might want to educate yourself on Chicago politics. That's the place were they re-elect convicted embezzlers to another term (Jesse Jackson Jr.). He was a junior legislator with little to no foreign policy experience. Gee, that's working out well for us.

I don't dislike Dr. Carson, but agree that he does not have the experience I desire. He does say things with which I agree, but he is not electable at this time.

Someone with training in the law is more qualified to help craft and interpret legislation. It's not the be-all, end-all, but it's a more relevant skill than brain surgery. There are other skills that matter a lot - you're the leader of a team and a decision maker, for example, but legal knowledge is important, too.

You might want to educate yourself on Chicago politics if you think Obama was in the tank for Jackson - they were notable for disliking each other in the run up to 2008. Jackson did not enable Obama.

 

[ag-man]

The whole Carson for President thing is a joke. It says a lot about a subset of the R base that they would even consider him. He's not running for Surgeon General.

And what does it say for the D base for even considering hillary.

Why when a good, honest, intelligent person runs for president, it is a joke?

 

[Neutron Monster]

And what does it say for the D base for even considering hillary.

Why when a good, honest, intelligent person runs for president, it is a joke?

That they have a known quantity whom they think can win, and also that the Ds don't have a lot of name brand candidates right now.

 

[ag-man]

I think it says something poor about him - he is unable to consider that someone with a different belief system could possibly be a good President. That shows a narrowness in thought that is concerning.

So you would have no problem with a devil worshiper, a skinhead, or a Nazi being elected president.
They have different beliefs than you, but you wouldnt judge them?

 

[Duck_walk]

So you would have no problem with a devil worshiper, a skinhead, or a Nazi being elected president.
They have different beliefs than you, but you wouldnt judge them?

What?, Leave VB, me , and Expect out of this discussion.

 

[Neutron Monster]

So you would have no problem with a devil worshiper, a skinhead, or a Nazi being elected president.
They have different beliefs than you, but you wouldnt judge them?

I see a distinction - someone can be Muslim and have political beliefs that are reasonably aligned with mine (or yours, or that of the R or D party.)

Skinheads/neo-Nazism isn't a religion; it is a political belief system. There's a profound difference between that and a religion in terms of how that affects your vote. I think it would be nearly impossible for a true skinhead or neo-nazi to have political views that were within distance of mine; the core of those philosophies involves supporting discrimination to a degree not found in how many Americans practice major religions like Christianity or Islam.

I care less about someone's religion than how that religion influences decision making and policy. It's one thing to be faithful; it's another to believe that it is your job to impose those beliefs on the country. I'd rather have a moderate Muslim be my President than Mike Huckabee, because the Muslim is less likely to cram their religion down my throat.

 

[3Rfan]

I see a distinction - someone can be Muslim and have political beliefs that are reasonably aligned with mine (or yours, or that of the R or D party.)

Skinheads/neo-Nazism isn't a religion; it is a political belief system. There's a profound difference between that and a religion in terms of how that affects your vote. I think it would be nearly impossible for a true skinhead or neo-nazi to have political views that were within distance of mine; the core of those philosophies involves supporting discrimination to a degree not found in how many Americans practice major religions like Christianity or Islam.

I care less about someone's religion than how that religion influences decision making and policy. It's one thing to be faithful; it's another to believe that it is your job to impose those beliefs on the country. I'd rather have a moderate Muslim be my President than Mike Huckabee, because the Muslim is less likely to cram their religion down my throat.

I would have a very hard time wanting a Muslim to become our president. The Muslim faction that hates our way of life are a VERY patient people and would have NO problem trying to get a radical muslim that was born here to do whatever he had to do for many years to get to a point to be a presidential candidate. I don't know what it would take for him to do great damage to our way of life, or immediate safety, with the checks and balances that are in place but I have NO doubt they would love to give it a try.

 

[millerbleach]

1st, Carson didn't sat a Muslim couldn't be President. He said he wouldn't advocate it I agree.
2nd, Carson didn't say the Constitution didn't allow a Muslim to be President. He said Islams beliefs were at odds with the Constitution. I agree
3rd, Carson didn't dodge the question and even elaborated on it. That is a quality I appreciate.
4th, With our main enemies being Muslims, it would be foolish to elect anyone with sympathies for our enemies.
5th, The left should realize Islam is anti homosexuality to the point of killing known homosexuals, anti freedom of speech, anti womens rights (even basic human rights), and many more things that would be harmful to freedom. That is what Carson was saying when he said he didn't think a Muslim should be President.

 

[Expect2Win]

What?, Leave VB, me , and Expect out of this discussion.

Which one of us, is which?

 

[The Rumor]

I would have a very hard time wanting a Muslim to become our president. The Muslim faction that hates our way of life are a VERY patient people and would have NO problem trying to get a radical muslim that was born here to do whatever he had to do for many years to get to a point to be a presidential candidate. I don't know what it would take for him to do great damage to our way of life, or immediate safety, with the checks and balances that are in place but I have NO doubt they would love to give it a try.

That's one heck of a sleeper plan. You should write a movie.

 

[The Rumor]

1st, Carson didn't sat a Muslim couldn't be President. He said he wouldn't advocate it I agree.
2nd, Carson didn't say the Constitution didn't allow a Muslim to be President. He said Islams beliefs were at odds with the Constitution. I agree
3rd, Carson didn't dodge the question and even elaborated on it. That is a quality I appreciate.
4th, With our main enemies being Muslims, it would be foolish to elect anyone with sympathies for our enemies.
5th, The left should realize Islam is anti homosexuality to the point of killing known homosexuals, anti freedom of speech, anti womens rights (even basic human rights), and many more things that would be harmful to freedom. That is what Carson was saying when he said he didn't think a Muslim should be President.

No to so much in here.

 

[vbsideout]

Which one of us, is which?

I seem to be losing most of my hair so I will be the skinhead!!

 

[Duck_walk]

That's one heck of a sleeper plan. You should write a movie.

The Muslimchurian Candidate?

 

[ag-man]

I see a distinction - someone can be Muslim and have political beliefs that are reasonably aligned with mine (or yours, or that of the R or D party.)

Skinheads/neo-Nazism isn't a religion; it is a political belief system. There's a profound difference between that and a religion in terms of how that affects your vote. I think it would be nearly impossible for a true skinhead or neo-nazi to have political views that were within distance of mine; the core of those philosophies involves supporting discrimination to a degree not found in how many Americans practice major religions like Christianity or Islam.

I care less about someone's religion than how that religion influences decision making and policy. It's one thing to be faithful; it's another to believe that it is your job to impose those beliefs on the country. I'd rather have a moderate Muslim be my President than Mike Huckabee, because the Muslim is less likely to cram their religion down my throat.

You would rather have a Muslim be president than Mike Huckabee????

How many people has Mike Huckabee beheaded????

 

[3Rfan]

The Muslimchurian Candidate?

People try to say most Muslims are peaceful people and it's the radical Muslims that give them a bad name. In fact if they truly believe in the Koran there is no way to be peaceful. I don't know all the teachings of the Koran by any means, but from what I have read ISIS is living out the TRUE Islamic belief system. Those folks are destroying ancient artifacts they claim are blasphemy to their reglion. They don't care about anything or anyone but their beliefs, nor do they care about survival. Their end game IS the end of the world. I have NO doubt they would love to get someone in position of power in our country. Not sure if ISIS has the patience to do it that way but the Iranians do.

 

[ag-man]

Seriously, I like discussion, but if you guys are trying to have intelligent political discourse, and want me to see your point of view............ You are failing miserably.

 

[Duck_walk]

You would rather have a Muslim be president than Mike Huckabee????

How many people has Mike Huckabee beheaded????

Are you telling me no church going American Christians have molested children, killed their wife, had an abortion, lynched an African-American or gone postal at their workplace?
Stop it. Stereotyping a religion is stupid.

 

[ag-man]

Are you telling me no church going American Christians have molested children, killed their wife, had an abortion, lynched an African-American or gone postal at their workplace?
Stop it. Stereotyping a religion is stupid.

A true Christian has never done those things. Evidently you wouldn't know.

 

[3Rfan]

A true Christian has never done those things. Evidently you wouldn't know.

I guess there have been a lot of non Christian preachers and priests then.

 

[wcowherd]

You would rather have a Muslim be president than Mike Huckabee????

How many people has Mike Huckabee beheaded????

How many people has the average Muslim beheaded?

I would rather almost anyone besides huckabee in the Oval Office.

 

[wcowherd]

People try to say most Muslims are peaceful people and it's the radical Muslims that give them a bad name. In fact if they truly believe in the Koran there is no way to be peaceful. I don't know all the teachings of the Koran by any means, but from what I have read ISIS is living out the TRUE Islamic belief system. Those folks are destroying ancient artifacts they claim are blasphemy to their reglion. They don't care about anything or anyone but their beliefs, nor do they care about survival. Their end game IS the end of the world. I have NO doubt they would love to get someone in position of power in our country. Not sure if ISIS has the patience to do it that way but the Iranians do.

I very much doubt we'd ever elect a member of Isis as president of the United States.

 

[ag-man]

I guess there have been a lot of non Christian preachers and priests then.

Yep

 

[ag-man]

How many people has the average Muslim beheaded?

I would rather almost anyone besides huckabee in the Oval Office.

Suit yourself.

 

[ag-man]

I very much doubt we'd ever elect a member of Isis as president of the United States.

With people like you voting, I wouldn't doubt it

 

[Duck_walk]

Ag man. Seems you only stereotype chosen religious groups. You must be miserable.