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I read something that speculated Sturgis has been the largest public gathering in the USA, and possibly the world, since the pandemic started. Which could easily make this years Sturgis a "super spreader" event. Only compounded by the fact that most people attending probably think COVID is a hoax and masks are INFRINGING ON MY RIGHTS!!

Are you saying they should be more worried about YOUR rights?
 
I don really care what they think of my rights. I just get a kick out of those people who think wearing a mask is the start of some slippery slope. Literally no other country has thrown a stink about masks except the US.
Maybe that's why we are the worst at dealing with covid. Brazil is close but they have basically a mini-Trump in command there.
 
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Maybe that's why we are the worst at dealing with covid. Brazil is close but they have basically a mini-Trump in command there.

based on what? Number of positive tests, number of deaths, hospitalizations? All numbers proven to be grossly inaccurate. While it may seem that I'm arguing with you, I'm only expressing the fact that there are sooo many opinions (which are fine) and, more importantly, measures that have been taken, all based on ever changing metrics and frankly, it's maddening. Even the scientific community is divided... Who do you believe or better yet, who's professional opinion do you align with?
 
based on us having the greatest resources of any country on earth and losing 170,000+ citizens and thousands more sick. It’s an embarrassment that we didn’t have the leadership nor discipline to do what needed to be done to keep people safe. Other countries did much better.

You use the same flawed numbers as justification for your claim AND point to "what needed to be done" when "what needed to be done" has never been confirmed and is also a source of contention. Other countries... like Sweden?
 
sweden has had more people die per capita than all but five countries. You are like a baseball player blaming his bad average on the official scorer. “Flawed numbers” Bahahahahaha Bahahahahaha

Rather than enforcing a hard lockdown, the Swedish government only closed universities and other schools with pupils aged 15 and older. It also recommended that everyone older than 70 and anyone with symptoms typical of COVID-19 self-isolate.
Still, the death rate in Sweden was lower than those in other countries in Europe, including the United Kingdom, Spain, and Italy, which had respective rates of 51, 58, and 52. -Medical News Today

You are like a typical Liberal, puking out the numbers you are told.
 
based on us having the greatest resources of any country on earth and losing 170,000+ citizens and thousands more sick. It’s an embarrassment that we didn’t have the leadership nor discipline to do what needed to be done to keep people safe. Other countries did much better.
I would challenge you to step back and look at the situation through your eyes and not what you are being told or you may want to believe bases on political beliefs.

Comparing other countries to the US is worthless due to varying size, population density, and government type. Do you believe the numbers out of Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, etc. are complete and accurate? Do think comparing countries the size of Florida to the US is an accurate representation of our current situation?

The data everyone keeps regurgitating is also worthless. Regardless of the fact that it has been proven to be widely inaccurate and could potentially be grossly over or understated it is also irrelevant because it is incomplete. Did more people have Covid in Jan or July? We have no idea because we didnt test anyone in January, there could have been 100M people walking around with covid in January. We could potentially have our lowest infection rate sense November. We could be a couple thousand people away from having heard immunity.

I get this is serious virus and some of the more vulnerable members of our society are at great risk. At some point we have to step back and put the entire situation in context. My Grandma, like thousands of other every year, died from the flu, she was old and vulnerable. My other Grandma is also old and vulnerable, she stays home more than usual and takes great precaution when she does have to leave the house. She also understands the risk and chooses to continue doing some other things she enjoys regardless because as she says "dying from covid doing the things I love is better that dying from anything else locked in my house".
 
I would challenge you to step back and look at the situation through your eyes and not what you are being told or you may want to believe bases on political beliefs.

Comparing other countries to the US is worthless due to varying size, population density, and government type. Do you believe the numbers out of Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, etc. are complete and accurate? Do think comparing countries the size of Florida to the US is an accurate representation of our current situation?

The data everyone keeps regurgitating is also worthless. Regardless of the fact that it has been proven to be widely inaccurate and could potentially be grossly over or understated it is also irrelevant because it is incomplete. Did more people have Covid in Jan or July? We have no idea because we didnt test anyone in January, there could have been 100M people walking around with covid in January. We could potentially have our lowest infection rate sense November. We could be a couple thousand people away from having heard immunity.

I get this is serious virus and some of the more vulnerable members of our society are at great risk. At some point we have to step back and put the entire situation in context. My Grandma, like thousands of other every year, died from the flu, she was old and vulnerable. My other Grandma is also old and vulnerable, she stays home more than usual and takes great precaution when she does have to leave the house. She also understands the risk and chooses to continue doing some other things she enjoys regardless because as she says "dying from covid doing the things I love is better that dying from anything else locked in my house".

Covid deaths:

Spain: 24
France: 17
Japan: 16
Canada: 13
UK: 12
Germany: 9

United States: 1,358

Population of countries above: 426 million
Population of United States: 328 million

Any questions?
 
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Ya I have one. How long before you realize nobody(majority) cares? For better or worse it’s just where we’re at
It is what it is ?
No sorry i dont accept that. The boss screwed up. Bigly!
We dont get to test everyone that comes near us. We dont get tested twice daily. He is part of the elite that is clueless about what you and i go through.
It saddens me that so many are dying and some just shrug it off.

We went to war for 3k on 9 11.
The 'patriots' care not one bit about 170k and rising at 1k a day.

Media manipulation is real but not like the trumpers think.
 
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Here is all the “context” we need.
4% of the worlds population. 23% of the deaths.
For a lot of different reasons, we haven’t done well.

Still clinging to the "deaths" number that has been proven, over and over, to be severely over reported. You can't make a valid argument using erroneous data.
 
According to Dr Robert Redfield, president Trump's appointee to head the CDC, the number of COVID deaths is underreported by at least 30%.
 
Still clinging to the "deaths" number that has been proven, over and over, to be severely over reported. You can't make a valid argument using erroneous data.
Well if everyone is overreporting then i guess we are still the worst.
Jeez you guys need to quit listening to the whackos
 
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It is what it is ?
No sorry i dont accept that. The boss screwed up. Bigly!
We dont get to test everyone that comes near us. We dont get tested twice daily. He is part of the elite that is clueless about what you and i go through.
It saddens me that so many are dying and some just shrug it off.

We went to war for 3k on 9 11.
The 'patriots' care not one bit about 170k and rising at 1k a day.

Media manipulation is real but not like the trumpers think.
I agree 100% that Trump is an idiot and would love to have a different president but, what exactly did he screw up and what would you have done different then and now?
 
Gosh damn, please stop this crap. It's Biden supporters vs Trump supporters and neither one will give an inch. Can we agree that Alabama is going to lay a beatdown on the Tigers?
 
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