MSHSAA BALLOT Separate pub/priv state Tourn.
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Not as big of a factor for small schools obviously, but I think it would be a good thing. Would probably have to go down to 2 or 3 divisions on private side to have enough schools? Would we lose a class in public probably? Ideas?
Let's just start out giving every kid a medal, their parents can take pictures and brag to their friends that little Johnny got a medal for playing basketball. We can quit keeping score, because all kids are winners.
The idea of splitting the schools apart is ridiculous. Why water down the championships? Yes, I came from a private school background, we lost to many public schools. It is what it is, we did not complain we dealt with it, worked out harder in the off season. I doubt most kids complain about this issue, it is mommy and daddy that is worried about not getting the trophy for their kids.
The idea of splitting the schools apart is ridiculous. Why water down the championships? Yes, I came from a private school background, we lost to many public schools. It is what it is, we did not complain we dealt with it, worked out harder in the off season. I doubt most kids complain about this issue, it is mommy and daddy that is worried about not getting the trophy for their kids.
Or maybe public schools aren't wanting to compete against schools that recruit? It's obvious schools have an advantage. How did you feel about the multiplier?
My take on private schools has always been this: If you can afford to send your child to a private school, then you are probably doing decent financially. Which means you can also likely afford to send your child to athletic camps in the off season, you can afford to pay for the better, top notch summer leagues, you can afford private tennis and golf lessons from top not professionals. All of which helps a child become a better athlete. If your child likes a certain sport, you send him/her to the private school that excels in that sport every year.
Is there a certain degree of recruiting? Possibly, by a few schools, but not by all private schools.
Is there a certain degree of recruiting? Possibly, by a few schools, but not by all private schools.
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I am for private being separate from public because how can you compete for a Missouri state championship if most of your players are not from Missouri.
Other states don't even allow you to compete for a state championship if you recruit or most of your players are not from your state.
So why does Missouri allow private & religion schools to compete for a state championship or better yet why don't the private & religion schools have there own championship? It seems like it would make more since & be more fair.
Or if private & religion schools can recruit then allow all schools to recruit.
A level playing field makes much more since for the state of Missouri.
The reason it gets voted down is very simple. Very few schools in the state are affected by the private school issue. There's only a small handful of private schools in Class 1 and Class 2 and rarely are any of those schools a true threat to make any noise in the basketball playoffs. In the other three classes, there are several that are strong contenders most years (Barstow, Tolton, Borgia, Chaminade, CBC, etc). And while these are the schools the get the focus, it's still a small sample. How many schools even care if Barstow wins state in Class 3? Does East Prairie, Twin Rivers, Doniphan, Fredericktown even care? They have very little chance of ever playing a private school unless they made it out of district play. So right there you've got another handful of schools that have no reason or interest to vote yes on a private/public separation. The ones that care are the ones that get hit by the private school roadblock. A team like Strafford, which has had strong teams recently but run into the Barstow juggernaut that has most of its lineup from the state of Kansas. Is that fair? From that perspective I can definitely see why they would need to separate them. Although that still wouldn't deal with the public school fiasco that happens in St. Louis with all these players transferring to Vashon. That's a whole other issue.
At least they're not allowed to host state title games at their own stadium. Not that would be an unfair advantage!
East Prairie, Twin Rivers, Doniphan, Fredericktown...etc, etc. SE Missouri- private schools aren't their problem. SCC and Charleston are. And they're as public as it gets. So they have to find other excuses.
That's my point. Which is why the public/private issue always gets voted down.
My take is this as a former HS coach. Keep the 2 together. Compete at the highest levels. Multipliers are in place to control to an extent. Recruiting happens at both public and private schools. Stop the whining. Focus on the life lessons that are suppose to be learned in sports and NOT the state championships! Biggest reason I would send my child to a private school, I will have to make that decision in the next few months too, is the lack of discipline and more distractions in the public schools. It would be the stricter rules in private schools, not athletics. Like it or not, rather it is athletically or academically, private schools play by different rules. Personally, I wanted to compete against the best teams no matter if it was playing up or playing against the good private schools.
Following this line of logic, the NCAA should just have one division of sports then? and MSHSAA should just have one class? You can still play these other schools, but they are playing a different game, as you said. Being more of a patron of small schools, this really doesn't affect me much, but I am obviously still in favor of distinction.
I am all for 1 division. I've seen lower classes not win their state titles but beat the upper class state champion before. MSHSAA would lose a lot of money if that happens. If MSHSAA does separate private and public, what keeps the private schools from dropping out of MSHSAA all together and doing their own association?
At least we all know how unreasonable your view is now. We don't have 12 divisions like Nebraska (or whatever it is) but why should an orange have to compete in a best apple contest?
So you were asking for people's opinions so that you could assail them? Lovely. So glad you're here.
Fair counter. I personally can't see how someone would think that a school with 120 enrollment should compete with 1400. (and I'm coming from the opposite perspective...small and public background)
I also neglected to catch that was someone new to the thread, and not the first poster who talked about giving medals to everyone..etc. My mistake.
I also neglected to catch that was someone new to the thread, and not the first poster who talked about giving medals to everyone..etc. My mistake.
