Impact of the class 1 cap

[thesnowflakegazette]

First, I think Mshsaa got the numbers for class 2-5 wrong. I removed all schools moving to 8 man, added the Clayton/Brentwood co-op and add Pleasant Hope and KC Kipp, who appear to have varsity schedules. That equaled 308 schools. With class 6 at 42, class 1 at 36, class 2-5 averages out to 57/58 per class. So either Mshsaa is flat out lying or they know of 10 schools not playing 11 man next season.

Second, you'll notice enrollment #s are different for public and charter schools. I pulled those from DESE. They are the current 9th thru 11th grade classes currently being reported.

Third, you will also notice it will cause private schools to bump in classes as well. For example, you will find Lutheran North in class 4.

 

[thesnowflakegazette]

	Class 6
1	Blue Springs	1852
2	Blue Springs South	1764
3	Liberty North	1760
4	Joplin	1725
5	Lindbergh	1691
6	Troy Buchanan	1675
7	Raymore-Peculiar	1599
8	Hickman	1574
9	Marquette	1563
10	Hazelwood West	1551
11	Lee's Summit North	1531
12	Rock Bridge	1530
13	Kickapoo	1517
14	Pattonville	1517
15	Nixa	1491
16	Ritenour	1477
17	Liberty	1470
18	Park Hill	1460
19	Staley	1460
20	Lee's Summit West	1454
21	SLUH	1440
22	Lee's Summit	1435
23	Northwest (Cedar Hill)	1435
24	Park Hill South	1428
25	Rockhurst	1416	up 1
26	Central (St. Joseph)	1413
27	Francis Howell	1400
28	Ozark	1392
29	Jackson	1384
30	Oakville	1359
31	Oak Park	1348
32	Francis Howell Central	1345
33	Hazelwood Central	1334
34	Seckman	1325
35	Waynesville	1323
36	Kirkwood	1321
37	Truman	1310
38	Christian Brothers College	1292	up 2
39	Ft. Zumwalt West	1292
40	Francis Howell North	1280
41	DeSmet	950	up 1
42	Chaminade College Prep	826	up 1
	Class 5
1	North Kansas City	1274
2	Battle/Columbia Independent HS	1267
3	Fox	1255
4	Timberland	1255
5	Eureka	1250
6	Lafayette (Wildwood)	1246
7	Carthage	1244
8	Liberty (Wentzville)	1233
9	Poplar Bluff	1207
10	Republic	1189
11	Parkway South	1181
12	Fort Osage	1175
13	Neosho	1166
14	Lebanon	1148
15	Smith-Cotton	1141
16	Central (Springfield)	1126
17	Ft. Zumwalt North	1116
18	Willard	1113
19	Glendale	1111
20	Raytown	1108
21	William Chrisman	1101
22	Grain Valley	1096
23	Mehlville	1080
24	Parkview	1080
25	Branson	1075
26	Riverview Gardens	1072
27	Parkway West	1068
28	Ruskin	1046
29	Central (Cape Girardeau)	1045
30	Rolla	1039
31	Webb City	1039
32	Belton	1030
33	Hazelwood East	1022
34	Capital City	1021
35	Jefferson City	1021
36	Camdenton	1005
37	Webster Groves	1005
38	Platte County	1000
39	Winnetonka	994
40	Ft. Zumwalt South	988
41	Washington	987
42	Farmington	975
43	Ladue Horton Watkins	970
44	Parkway Central	959
45	Raytown South	958
46	North Point HS	940
47	Ft. Zumwalt East	934
48	Grandview	934
49	McCluer	918
50	Rockwood Summit	915
51	East (Kansas City)	914
52	West Plains	895
53	McCluer North	884
54	St. Mary's (St. Louis)	374	up 2
55	MICDS	481	up 2
56	Helias Catholic	553	up 1
57	St. Dominic	722	up 1
58	Vianney	782	up 1

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

	Class 4
1	Holt	873
2	Hillcrest	866
3	Hillsboro	858
4	Hannibal	833
5	Kearney	829
6	McDonald County	825
7	Van Horn	812
8	Union	789
9	Warrensburg	789
10	Parkway North	786
11	Clayton/Brentwood	778
12	Festus	774
13	Sikeston	772
14	Marshfield	771
15	Warrenton	764
16	Pacific	752
17	Carl Junction	747
18	Lincoln College Prep	694
19	Smithville	680
20	Windsor (Imperial)	680
21	North County	677
22	Confluence Prep/ Grand Center Arts	672
23	DeSoto	671
24	Vashon/Miller Career Academy	653
25	Excelsior Springs	647
26	Bolivar	636
27	Gateway Tech	632
28	Kirksville	625
29	Normandy Collaborative	615
30	Nevada	608
31	St. Charles	606
32	Soldan International Studies/Sumner	598
33	Marshall	594
34	Mexico	592
35	Winfield/Elsberry	584
36	Perryville	578
37	Harrisonville	577
38	Monett	575
39	Jennings	574
40	University City	567
41	Center	566
42	Affton	564
43	Logan-Rogersville	561
44	Benton	559
45	Lafayette (St. Joseph)	555
46	Savannah	548
47	Sullivan	546
48	Pleasant Hill	545
49	Northeast KC	543
50	Moberly	542
51	Potosi	538
52	Fulton	536
53	Osage	514
54	St. Clair	514
55	Westminster Christian Academy	505
56	Lutheran North	191	up 2
57	Cardinal Ritter	282	up 2
58	Lutheran St. Charles	321	up 1
	Class 3
1	Odessa	506
2	Central (Park Hills)	504
3	Cassville	500
4	Salem	498
5	St. Charles West	486
6	Orchard Farm	485
7	University Academy/Ewing Kauffman	479
8	Clinton	478
9	Bishop DuBourg/Hancock	475
10	Chillicothe	468
11	Dexter	466
12	Fredericktown	462
13	Roosevelt/Carnahan	458
14	Boonville	457
15	Eldon	457
16	Aurora	452
17	Owensville	449
18	Reeds Spring	449
19	Central (Kansas City) HS	447
20	Buffalo	444
21	Bayless	437
22	Oak Grove	434
23	St. James	434
24	Wright City	427
25	Ste. Genevieve	410
26	Southern Boone	406
27	Maryville	396
28	Cameron	382
29	Seneca	381
30	Doniphan	380
31	Herculaneum	375
32	Kennett	375
33	Southeast	375
34	Lutheran South	371
35	Richmond	371
36	Mt. Vernon	366
37	Principia/Whitfield	365
38	East Newton	353
39	Knob Noster	351
40	Blair Oaks	350
41	Cuba	350
42	Mountain Grove	349
43	Hallsville	345
44	Ava	344
45	Hollister	340
46	John Burroughs	339
47	California	334
48	Macon	328
49	Priory	326
50	Warsaw	326
51	Versailles	322
52	Hogan Prep Academy Charter	321
53	St. Francis Borgia	320
54	Willow Springs	316
55	Forsyth	315
56	Summit Christian Academy	216	up 1
57	St. Pius X (Kansas City)	264	up 1

 

[thesnowflakegazette]

	Class 2
1	Centralia	313
2	Clever	312
3	Holden	312
4	Strafford	312
5	Pembroke Hill	303
6	Lamar	300
7	Palmyra	299
8	Central (New Madrid County)	296
9	Fair Grove	293
10	St. Michael the Archangel	289
11	Houston	285
12	Springfield Catholic	283
13	Montgomery County	282
14	El Dorado Springs	280
15	Bowling Green	278
16	North Callaway HS	276
17	Lawson	274
18	Lift for Life Academy Charter	269
19	Lexington	268
20	Liberty (Mountain View)	262
21	Trenton	256
22	Stockton/Sheldon	251
23	Jefferson (Festus)	247
24	East Prairie	246
25	Hermann	244
26	Clark County	243
27	Kelly	241
28	Missouri Military Academy	238
29	Father Tolton Regional Catholic	235
30	Lafayette County	235
31	Skyline/Macks Creek	233
32	Lathrop	231
33	Pleasant Hope	228
34	Butler	226
35	St. Pius X (Festus)	220
36	South Harrison	213
37	Mid-Buchanan	212
38	Duchesne	207
39	Scott City	206
40	East Buchanan	205
41	Brookfield	204
42	Caruthersville	203
43	Sherwood	199
44	KIPP KC	198
45	Mark Twain	198
46	Charleston	196
47	Carrollton	194
48	Lone Jack	193
49	Monroe City	193
50	South Callaway	192
51	Highland	191
52	Diamond	190
53	Grandview (Hillsboro) HS	187
54	Cole Camp	185
55	South Shelby	183
56	Malden	181
57	Valle Catholic	116	up 1
	Class 1
1	Adrian	178
2	Sarcoxie	178
3	Crest Ridge/Chilhowee	175
4	Louisiana	174
5	Thayer	173
6	Windsor	172
7	Russellville	169
8	Portageville	168
9	Cabool	164
10	Marionville	164
11	Maysville/Winston	164
12	Gallatin/Tri-County	163
13	North Platte	158
14	Marceline	156
15	Ash Grove	155
16	Chaffee	155
17	Pierce City	155
18	West Platte	155
19	Harrisburg	152
20	Putnam County	152
21	Milan	149
22	Penney	149
23	Fayette	145
24	Tipton	145
25	Van-Far	142
26	Lincoln	139
27	Miller	139
28	Westran	137
29	Salisbury	134
30	Scotland County	124
31	Crystal City	117
32	Polo	113
33	St. Vincent	112
34	Midway	102
35	Hayti	96
36	Wellington-Napoleon	81

 

[HBL Pirates fan_1990]

they're is Probably 7 Schools won't be in 11-Man this year. The 4 that Went to 8-man the Clayton/Brentwood Co-op and the 2 Closing KC schools Central and Northeast if they do.

 

[kaching]

FWIW - the 2 KC schools seem not to be closing

 

[AC100]

This seems tremendous.

 

[AC100]

The COC will have 3 class 6 schools and 2 more who could get there within 5 years. Republic is much more likely than Carthage.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

	Class 2
1	Centralia	313
2	Clever	312
3	Holden	312
4	Strafford	312
5	Pembroke Hill	303
6	Lamar	300
7	Palmyra	299
8	Central (New Madrid County)	296
9	Fair Grove	293
10	St. Michael the Archangel	289
11	Houston	285
12	Springfield Catholic	283
13	Montgomery County	282
14	El Dorado Springs	280
15	Bowling Green	278
16	North Callaway HS	276
17	Lawson	274
18	Lift for Life Academy Charter	269
19	Lexington	268
20	Liberty (Mountain View)	262
21	Trenton	256
22	Stockton/Sheldon	251
23	Jefferson (Festus)	247
24	East Prairie	246
25	Hermann	244
26	Clark County	243
27	Kelly	241
28	Missouri Military Academy	238
29	Father Tolton Regional Catholic	235
30	Lafayette County	235
31	Skyline/Macks Creek	233
32	Lathrop	231
33	Pleasant Hope	228
34	Butler	226
35	St. Pius X (Festus)	220
36	South Harrison	213
37	Mid-Buchanan	212
38	Duchesne	207
39	Scott City	206
40	East Buchanan	205
41	Brookfield	204
42	Caruthersville	203
43	Sherwood	199
44	KIPP KC	198
45	Mark Twain	198
46	Charleston	196
47	Carrollton	194
48	Lone Jack	193
49	Monroe City	193
50	South Callaway	192
51	Highland	191
52	Diamond	190
53	Grandview (Hillsboro) HS	187
54	Cole Camp	185
55	South Shelby	183
56	Malden	181
57	Valle Catholic	116	up 1
	Class 1
1	Adrian	178
2	Sarcoxie	178
3	Crest Ridge/Chilhowee	175
4	Louisiana	174
5	Thayer	173
6	Windsor	172
7	Russellville	169
8	Portageville	168
9	Cabool	164
10	Marionville	164
11	Maysville/Winston	164
12	Gallatin/Tri-County	163
13	North Platte	158
14	Marceline	156
15	Ash Grove	155
16	Chaffee	155
17	Pierce City	155
18	West Platte	155
19	Harrisburg	152
20	Putnam County	152
21	Milan	149
22	Penney	149
23	Fayette	145
24	Tipton	145
25	Van-Far	142
26	Lincoln	139
27	Miller	139
28	Westran	137
29	Salisbury	134
30	Scotland County	124
31	Crystal City	117
32	Polo	113
33	St. Vincent	112
34	Midway	102
35	Hayti	96
36	Wellington-Napoleon	81

I like your version better than mine

 

[r14veer]

I just wonder how in the world Kearney’s high school population is on a shrinking trend since the city itself has done nothing but grow. Maybe it’s all just old people moving in?

 

[freezeoption]

The hot moms are getting old.

 

[BearsCountry]

I have heard Versailles and Stover are going to be a co-op.

 

[kaching]

I’m glad it was decided to protect class one. Maybe fewer schools will opt to 8-man because of it.
I know there’s a dislike about adding a class but I think it would have been beneficial to have two sections of 32 team in class one.
What has happened has ticked off 50ish teams that have moved up a class.
So things were better for 36 teams and worse for the 50ish teams that moved up

 

[Veer2Eternity]

I’m glad it was decided to protect class one. Maybe fewer schools will opt to to 8-man because of it.
I know there’s a dislike about adding a class but I think it would have been beneficial to have two sections of 32 team in class one.
What has happened has ticked off 50ish teams that have moved up a class.
So things were better for 36 teams and worse for the 50ish teams that moved up

Should just divide the total by 6 .
But then the big schools would whine

 

[Graphic Edge Guy]

Should just divide the total by 6 .
But then the big schools would whine

Looks like they are "coddling" Class 1 now...right, Veer?

Somebody has to be the smallest school in each class...and likewise somebody has to be the biggest in each class.

Just like "There IS no Perfect playoff format" that will suit every single school...there IS no perfect way to divide all the schools into their respective classes and districts.

If your school is one of the largest in your class...you probably like the way the classes fall.

If you are one of the smallest schools in your class...you probably hate it.

The lines have to be drawn somewhere...unless we want to revert to Indiana Hoosier Basketball format and just put everybody in one class.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Looks like they are "coddling" Class 1 now...right, Veer?

Somebody has to be the smallest school in each class...and likewise somebody has to be the biggest in each class.

Just like "There IS no Perfect playoff format" that will suit every single school...there IS no perfect way to divide all the schools into their respective classes and districts.

If your school is one of the largest in your class...you probably like the way the classes fall.

If you are one of the smallest schools in your class...you probably hate it.

The lines have to be drawn somewhere...unless we want to revert to Indiana Hoosier Basketball format and just put everybody in one class.

What could be unfair about 6 equal classes

 

[Depth of Knowledge]

What month's enrollment numbers does mshsaa use to decide the classes?

 

[Depth of Knowledge]

If 36 is ok for Class 1 and 42 for Class 6 then what is wrong with 7 classes of roughly 44 teams? Basically ends the concerns about enrollment disparity.

 

[thesnowflakegazette]

If 36 is ok for Class 1 and 42 for Class 6 then what is wrong with 7 classes of roughly 44 teams? Basically ends the concerns about enrollment disparity.

This is what I believe should happen.

 

[thesnowflakegazette]

they're is Probably 7 Schools won't be in 11-Man this year. The 4 that Went to 8-man the Clayton/Brentwood Co-op and the 2 Closing KC schools Central and Northeast if they do.

Yes I removed those schools with the exception of the KC schools and the schools district seems to have modified their decision and closed a few elementary schools

 

[panther72]

What month's enrollment numbers does mshsaa use to decide the classes?

Last Wednesday of March.

 

[thetophat2021]

I just wonder how in the world Kearney’s high school population is on a shrinking trend since the city itself has done nothing but grow. Maybe it’s all just old people moving in?

Actually it is the opposite. Very young families are moving here. Once these kids all reach HS age things will change fast here.

 

[ugaboz]

man blue springs use to be up over 2000
weird

 

[quadzilla200]

man blue springs use to be up over 2000
weird

That is just Fresh-Juniors. I think they are over 2500 still.

 

[r14veer]

Actually it is the opposite. Very young families are moving here. Once these kids all reach HS age things will change fast here.

I didn’t a actually think old folks were moving in. I’m just amazed that the HS numbers have declined over the last several cycles. It doesn’t seem logical.

 

[thetophat2021]

I didn’t a actually think old folks were moving in. I’m just amazed that the HS numbers have declined over the last several cycles. It doesn’t seem logical.

It is a weird anomaly in my opinion. The upper middle class neighborhood across 33 continues to build like crazy and most of the move ins are 20-something families with little kids. The swimming pool went from adult friendly to pre-teen frenzy the past five years.

 

[bendo2938]

wouldn't it be comical for Archie to move back to 11 man and see Adrian get pushed to class 2 because of it...

 

[NEMOFball]

wouldn't it be comical for Archie to move back to 11 man and see Adrian get pushed to class 2 because of it...

I am pretty sure under that scenario Adrian would remain 11 man. The way I read it, they will let class 1 go to 42 if 8 man teams go back to 11.

 

[r14veer]

It is a weird anomaly in my opinion. The upper middle class neighborhood across 33 continues to build like crazy and most of the move ins are 20-something families with little kids. The swimming pool went from adult friendly to pre-teen frenzy the past five years.

That sounds horrible.

 

[NEMOFball]

The more I look at this the more I don't like it. 36 teams in class 1 is a really low number. I keep leaning towards the idea of splitting all 6 classes evenly.

 

[thetophat2021]

That sounds horrible.

Haha the water color change..............

 

[thetophat2021]

The more I look at this the more I don't like it. 36 teams in class 1 is a really low number. I keep leaning towards the idea of splitting all 6 classes evenly.

Split them evenly below leaving the current number in Class 6.

 

[AC100]

The decision has been made but maybe they will split 6 classes evenly when this is redone in 5 to 7 years.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

wouldn't it be comical for Archie to move back to 11 man and see Adrian get pushed to class 2 because of it...

Almost as comical as watching them scurry back to 8-man after the current sophomores graduate

 

[Wheels 1]

The more I look at this the more I don't like it. 36 teams in class 1 is a really low number. I keep leaning towards the idea of splitting all 6 classes evenly.

Class 1 should be no less than 48. 8 districts with 6 per district and bye's for seed's 1 and 2.

 

[CaptainMullet]

Almost as comical as watching them scurry back to 8-man after the current sophomores graduate

Juniors

 

[CaptainMullet]

Curious what the difference in the DESE numbers and MSHAA numbers are. Because like you i'm seeing some wild variations (Carrollton for example)

 

[panther72]

Curious what the difference in the DESE numbers and MSHAA numbers are. Because like you i'm seeing some wild variations (Carrollton for example)

For public schools, MSHSAA numbers are DESE numbers.

 

[TheRealJoey]

It is a weird anomaly in my opinion. The upper middle class neighborhood across 33 continues to build like crazy and most of the move ins are 20-something families with little kids. The swimming pool went from adult friendly to pre-teen frenzy the past five years.

Young families can't afford the price spiked on new housing. That has flattened out the families with children from moving in. Starter homes in Kearney/Smithville are $350,000-850,000. New housing, but double income with three school-aged kids not moving there.

https://www.movoto.com/kearney-mo/

 

[thetophat2021]

Young families can't afford the price spiked on new housing. That has flattened out the families with children from moving in. Starter homes in Kearney/Smithville are $350,000-430,000

Have you been to my sister's neighborhood to which I am referring (west side of 33 coming into town from the south)? Little kids and young families all over the place. Getting ready to head home from work will do the Roosterville "country" drive totally shocking all the huge home construction ongoing in that area! Where are people getting all this money?