30%?? There is no way a competitive athlete, at any level, doesn't go all in once the juices start flowing. That said, this is embarrassing for MSHSAA and just a stupid "rule"
Houston Volleyball got MSHSAA'ed
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Licking plays at Stover at 7 PM tonight.
If it is the case that Licking turned in Houston to win a game they otherwise lost, then the Houston community should show up tonight and boo them off the court.
I'm betting nobody cares that much lol
If it is the case that Licking turned in Houston to win a game they otherwise lost, then the Houston community should show up tonight and boo them off the court.
I'm betting nobody cares that much lol
Assuming this is from a parent of a Houston player on FB.
When your child calls home sobbing so hard you fear the worst... it breaks your heart.
The three girls did indeed go to a charity event Saturday where they played in a CO-ED volleyball tournament. But this in no way was a real competition..there were no real referees or trained officials.. the nets weren't regulation. There was no roster.The score flipper sometimes gave one team some points and sometimes the other team points.. it was laughed about and no one cared.. you know why.. because it wasnt a competition.. there was no coach, no prior practices, they did not have uniforms or numbers, nobody kept track of rotations... this WAS NOT A REAL COMPETITION. It was joyful and fun and a way for them to give back.. and they have now been robbed of this on top of the title.
When your child calls home sobbing so hard you fear the worst... it breaks your heart.
The three girls did indeed go to a charity event Saturday where they played in a CO-ED volleyball tournament. But this in no way was a real competition..there were no real referees or trained officials.. the nets weren't regulation. There was no roster.The score flipper sometimes gave one team some points and sometimes the other team points.. it was laughed about and no one cared.. you know why.. because it wasnt a competition.. there was no coach, no prior practices, they did not have uniforms or numbers, nobody kept track of rotations... this WAS NOT A REAL COMPETITION. It was joyful and fun and a way for them to give back.. and they have now been robbed of this on top of the title.
Yep. I love state athletic governing boards. And private schools. Always have.
Standard issue troll who went straight to my ignore list back in August.
So lets say some players go to a backyard BBQ on Saturday, and there is a net up, and some kids and adults start playing. If someone starts keeping score, would this same rule apply to this situation??
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but MSHSAA comes in on brand as usual. The rule itself is dumb in the first place, and then on top of that the things that MSHSAA let constantly slide that actually effect outcomes of games compared to this instance is pathetic.
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but MSHSAA comes in on brand as usual. The rule itself is dumb in the first place, and then on top of that the things that MSHSAA let constantly slide that actually effect outcomes of games compared to this instance is pathetic.
I would assume that people would post pictures and videos of the event to show it was just that. If it was a school function, did the coaches play?
seems pretty easy to me... if you disqualify Houston, which I don't think they should have been, then that district title should be vacated. Licking shouldn't get to advance.
MSHSAA may be the most 'tone deaf' organization I've seen in my life. This is just another example.
Forgive a private school that has a history of blatantly ignoring rules then turn right around and do this.
Shameful.
Who makes these decisions?
They need to at least hire some ol' boy with common sense so their PR isn't a complete and utter disaster 99.9% of the time.
Houston to Stover is quite the drive over some crappy roads. 17 up to 7 to 5 to 135. Yikes.
This is a great example of why people hate MSHSAA. They excel at doing stupid things that agitate fans like this, digital ticketing, the district game streaming money grab thing and more. But they make sure to keep their bloated roster of six figure staff taken care of.
I happen to know of a get together where many kids including some HS players from several schools in this area were at one point playing an informal "competition". No refs, no roster, no rotation, not even a correct net but they were in fact "playing" a game. Sounds like they were lucky that no one turned them into MSHSAA. Good lord.
I happen to know of a get together where many kids including some HS players from several schools in this area were at one point playing an informal "competition". No refs, no roster, no rotation, not even a correct net but they were in fact "playing" a game. Sounds like they were lucky that no one turned them into MSHSAA. Good lord.
My contacts are saying it was 2 JV players and 1 varsity player. And that varsity player wasn’t even a starter.
That just makes this whole thing even more crappy.
That just makes this whole thing even more crappy.
SECTION 32023-24 MSHSAA OFFICIAL HANDBOOK Page 71
a. Same Season/Same Sport: A student shall neither practice nor compete as a member of a non-school team or as an individual participant in organized non-school competition in that same sport
Please show evidence they competed in the sport, as defined by MSHSAA: Girls Volleyball.
Yep! Didn't happen.
a. Same Season/Same Sport: A student shall neither practice nor compete as a member of a non-school team or as an individual participant in organized non-school competition in that same sport
Please show evidence they competed in the sport, as defined by MSHSAA: Girls Volleyball.
Yep! Didn't happen.
I thought perhaps you were just trying to rile up Northland Joe, which I always support. But I can not support your other posts. (Unless I become rich enough to send my kids to private school, wherein I will once again need to reevaluate my stance.)
If Houston self-reported and was punished, it is just another reason to NEVER self-report. Those who do get punished. Those who never do will fight allegations and end up with no punishment.
My take is this... Worse case, suspend the 3 players for the next game or 2. Let the rest of the team play it out. But honestly, if it was a school functioned fund raiser, just let it be. It is not like they were playing on their AAU squad. MSHSA allows for a 1 time try-out for travel teams during the season correct? What is the difference there?
The difference is a horrendous misinterpretation of the rule.
Not really. You do not think they have games and scrimmages taking place at the try-outs to find the best kids? They are still participating same sport same season
Houston is fighting back.. asking for a temp restraining order... Going to be interesting
Just like a cop with no reasonable articulable suspicion that something illegal is afoot, asking questions.
Your response should be: "I DON'T answer QUESTIONS."
Or as Tony Soprano would say, "I DON"T know NOTHING"
I love how MSHSAA is fighting back saying "you are going to undermine our authority"
Meanwhile as mentioned by the guy above... no one should ever self report... "prove it"
Meanwhile as mentioned by the guy above... no one should ever self report... "prove it"
Soooo. Stover will have to lay tonight against Licking and tomorrow night against Houston (just in case judge rules in favor of Houston).
Undermining the authority of MSHSAA is a win for literally everyone except about a dozen people in Columbia.
Coed volleyball is not girls volleyball. I don't see that MSHSAA has any COED VOLLEYBALL teams. If they did, then it would be the "same sport, same season."
They get their 'authoritah' from the districts.
I posted about cleaning house in an earlier post. Sounds like they want the process expedited.
What a cluster.
After reading the Houston complaint and MSHSAA non-response I feel like everyone on here "Stagolee" giving MSHSAA a rub and tug look like complete idiots.
Help me understand what is going on here:
1. Houston beats Licking in district championship.
2. There is a charity fundraiser in Salem in which athletes from all over the region compete, including, apparently, Licking.
3. Houston admin discovers the "violation" and "self reports"
4. MSHSAA exacts retribution and, apparently without getting a complete picture of who participated at the event in Salem, declares Licking the winner of the district tournament.
Couple questions:
— Do we know who else participated at the charity event? Was there athletes from other schools in the playoffs besides Houston participating in the event?
— Did Licking have athletes participating in the event?
— Do we know if Licking made the initial complaint as others have surmized and Houston simply admitted to the allegation and met the definition "self reporting" a violation?
— What is the actual definition of same sport?
In my opinion, if you’re hell-bent on enforcing the rules for this infraction, then the first thing to do is figure out who participated in the charity event and make sure that you know who was there and apply punishment even-handedly.
If it is the case that Licking both reported the Houston violation, and committed the same offense at the same event as others have stated, then they should be banned from all postseason activities. That is way beyond unacceptable.
1. Houston beats Licking in district championship.
2. There is a charity fundraiser in Salem in which athletes from all over the region compete, including, apparently, Licking.
3. Houston admin discovers the "violation" and "self reports"
4. MSHSAA exacts retribution and, apparently without getting a complete picture of who participated at the event in Salem, declares Licking the winner of the district tournament.
Couple questions:
— Do we know who else participated at the charity event? Was there athletes from other schools in the playoffs besides Houston participating in the event?
— Did Licking have athletes participating in the event?
— Do we know if Licking made the initial complaint as others have surmized and Houston simply admitted to the allegation and met the definition "self reporting" a violation?
— What is the actual definition of same sport?
In my opinion, if you’re hell-bent on enforcing the rules for this infraction, then the first thing to do is figure out who participated in the charity event and make sure that you know who was there and apply punishment even-handedly.
If it is the case that Licking both reported the Houston violation, and committed the same offense at the same event as others have stated, then they should be banned from all postseason activities. That is way beyond unacceptable.
I wish MSHSAA cared as much about their referees determining the outcome of their playoff games as they do this nonsense.
