Do you know how many quarters a high school kid can play in one week? Do you know anything about that rule?
Do Private Schools Have Any Business Playing Class 1 Football?
- Thread starter Gubba Bump Shrimp
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Do you know how many quarters a high school kid can play in one week? Do you know anything about that rule?
6 for the week or 60 quarters for the season. Those freshmen would have been fine if they really have 15
We have only had 4 JV games in the past 3 season because of smaller numbers, and that rule. Valle really does not have Freshman only games right??
Ok do I really h ave to spread it out for you. You expect them to be able to field a fresh, jv and varsity team with 45 kids, and 15 being freshman? Id be interested to know how many class 2 and class one and class 3 teams have 3 teams.
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Ok Bubba I am going to throw this back at you.
Class 4: 732-1314
Class 5: 1316-1778
Class 6: 1779-2803
Please tell me.
Does a public school who has 1314 kids have inherent statistic advantages to field a better team over a public school who has only 732.
Does a public school who has 1778 kids have inherent statistic advantages to field a better team over a public school who has only 1316, and so on to class 6.
Class 4: 732-1314
Class 5: 1316-1778
Class 6: 1779-2803
Please tell me.
Does a public school who has 1314 kids have inherent statistic advantages to field a better team over a public school who has only 732.
Does a public school who has 1778 kids have inherent statistic advantages to field a better team over a public school who has only 1316, and so on to class 6.
Majost - No we don't expect them to field a freshman, jv and varsity they are class one
Dude take a chill pill, valle is still the best
Dude take a chill pill, valle is still the best
They have a numbers advantage, but those PUBLIC schools are on the same footing in that they abide by district boundaries.
A school of 1300 can EASILY find 11 to 22 kids who can play ball, they just may not have as much depth as the school of 1700.
The difference being, a PUBLIC school of 109 to 220 had a much harder time finding 11 good players, much less having quality depth. Meanwhile the 2 PRIVATE schools in Class 1 can trot out between 35 and 60 kids on a yearly basis. They have inherent competitive advantages, how do you not get this?
Ok move Valle up, then you will have to move Brentwood down with their 245 enrollment. Hate to break it to you but your not going to beat them either.
Maybe move to 8 man or try practicing harder.
Tell us what school you are trying to help and I will tell you if it will even matter. Probably a 2 win team that loses in the first round of districts.
Maybe move to 8 man or try practicing harder.
Tell us what school you are trying to help and I will tell you if it will even matter. Probably a 2 win team that loses in the first round of districts.
The inherent biggest advantage to all is about numbers. Hence why they have different class's of football. One of the arguments on here was that private schools have such a big advantage because they can draw from a bigger area and population. Well the same can be said for a public vs public school. The argument is that private schools can pick and choose their better athletes who come into their school, which is laughable by the way. Well a bigger public school in that class has that advantage over the lower ones also. So no it isn't fair. And there will never be a true fair system for all.
Interesting fact here. Out of class 6, 5, and 4, and I pretty sure i have this right. Of the 26 out of 36 times a public schools made the state championship game since 2010, only 4 of them came from the lower half of enrollment number in that specific class.
If you add the 10 private schools who made it to the championship game out of those 36 teams, which they only won 2 of those 18 championships game, none of those private schools came from the lower half of the enrollment figures.
Yes I know the figures might be different in the lower classes for the public schools, but as far as private schools winning championships in class 3, 2 and 1 of the 18 championships games since 2010 privates schools won 6 of them, and 5 of those were by valle. So theres one private school that has success winning championships like Webb and Lamar. But I guess that is even to many.
I actually believe the Indiana points system which moves you up if you achieve a high number of points within a given years is more fair than this one. There it moves up public and private and those who have that distinct advantage of having a bigger numbers to draw from. But people say that penalizes success. I don't think so, I think it equalizes competition, plus it moves you back down to your original class if you don't accumulate enough points to stay at that class.
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Funny how Valle supporters avoid the topic of moving out of their cupcake conference and finding better competition. Wonder why that always gets swept under the rug? Any great program (which they are) looks to improve their schedule when they have talent. Go independent, or join a conference that suits their competition level. Why stay in that conference and embarrass teams every week. What good did it do Valle or Vincent with that 70 point drubbing? Going to happen every other conference game this season too. Have some class; either call off the dogs at 42 or get out of that conference!!!
Ok, and Brentwood plays by the exact same rules as every other PUBLIC school in the state of Missouri.
I have no dog in the fight, not trying to "help" anyone, just asking a question.
With the inherent competitive advantages that private schools have, should they be allowed to play in the smallest classification? I say no.
Name a Class 1 public school who's town has a larger population than Ste Genevieve or Perryville.
Population
Perryville - 8,334
Ste Genevieve - 5,018
And that's JUST the town, not the county or surrounding areas they service. Name a Class 1 public who potentially services more kids.
And according to you they have the pick of kids from Jefferson County to Perryville. Yet are hurting for numbers at the lower level. Seems odd a team that does nothing but win the past decade, can't recruit enough kids to sustain a freshmen football team.
Wasn't there talk of changing the multiplier to a "secret" multiplier? Valle could just be ensuring they stay under and in Class 1 no matter what the multiplier is.
Not saying that's what's happening, but if they continue having 15 kids per class (and given the admission interviews and ability to be selective) who can all play ball, in 4 years they'll have 60 kids out while still maintaining their ultra-low enrollment.
The school was built back in the early 50's and enrollment was around 300 give or take for many years.
Back in the those early days, tuition was free for Ste. Genevieve parish families and about $100 a year for kids from other parishes in Ste. Genevieve County. At the time teachers were all Sisters of St. Joseph. Today there are no religious teachers and tuition is out of reach for a lot of people. Eventually, Valle dropped down to class 2 in the late 80's. Today the enrollment hovers around 130 without the multiplier.
Anyone who thinks that they limit enrollment to stay in class 1 is not being reasonable. There are a lot of fixed costs associated with operating the school and the school would love to see 300 kids there again but that will never happen again.
The school continues today because of a group of dedicated believers in the mission of the school.
Valle's schedule show's 2 class 1 opponents, 6 class 2 opponents and 1 class 3 opponent. They have added Class 2 Lamar this year as a non conference game. A lot of people looking forward to that 1. Over the past couple of years they played Westran in Washington Missouri. It costs a lot of money to travel to games far away from home in addition to the kids missing school to travel.
Do either veer or you actually read out loud some of these posts?
Was there not talk of a "secret multiplier" just a year or two ago?
What would be the point of having one? Coincidentally Valle's enrollment dropped precipitously at the same time.
Not saying the two are connected, but it's a heck of a coincidence...
Again Valle will do what Valle does... wow...yes they are in a bigger metropolis...but they have been beaten, twice by Penney, it might have been 3x but Penney was moved up to class 2 the year after they beat Valle and then won the class 2 title as well so...do the research. Penney plays class 2 possibly class 3 teams during regular season play. Hamilton is a town of 1800 or so people....what I am trying to say is it doesn't matter what you do to stack your program, if that is what they are doing. They can be beat. Penney played them last year, granted the score wasn't the best, but I did hear that that was the most points a team scored on them in a game and there were things done in that state game that even Valle players couldn't pull off (since this discussion is about Valle it seems) So...there are great athletes all throughout. Great coaching all throughout. Do the research. Wow...people quit riding the Valle bandwagon and ride the football bandwagon. Talk about the good players and what these teams are bringing to the table...until mshsaa changes something nothing will change and every class has to deal with it.
How many Class 1 public schools have been to more than one or two state championships in a row?
How many have been to 7 in a row?
That's the thing with Class 1 public schools, they cycle talent, Valle just constantly reloads.
Also, Penney has 1,800 people in the town? Great. Valle pulls from a town of 5,500, a county of 19,000, and an area including Festus and Farmington of over 50,000.
Not saying they pull a lot, or even any on a typical year, but they CAN, pull from Farmington and Festus, and they DO pull from all of Ste Genevieve county.
Which has a larger population to choose from? Ste Genevieve County or Hamilton, Missouri?
Caldwell county has about 9500 residents, Ste. Genevieve County has about 18000.
Ste. Genevieve has a public school with about 80% of the eligible students.
In all my years of association with Valle there has never been anyone from Festus or Farmington at the school that I am aware of. Can you name any or is this another conspiracy theory?
I find it interesting that the new school in Jefferson County has drawn kids from Crystal City to the extent that Crystal City is now 1A. And I have cousins who lived in Festus but attended Crystal City. What's up with that? I thought each public school had boundaries?
Excuses satisfy the maker!
And I really would like to have you answer this one for us, Veer. Pretty sure it will end your day of fishing.
1. Does Penney school district service ALL of Caldwell county? If not, moot point.
2. District boundaries are what they are. Crystal City has a weird district to begin with in that it isn't contiguous, there is a small island that exists in Festus. Valle has no district and CAN of they so choose service kids from Festus or Farmington.
3. The "new school" has always existed, only until the last 5 or 6 years there was no high school. Now Jefferson is keeping their own kids instead of shipping them to Festus, Crystal, Herculaneum, and Ste Genevieve. That is the main cause of Crystal City's drop in enrollment. They need to just combine with Herculaneum and get it over with.
You should ask taco . He knows the dna profile of every valle player since 1874.
You seem to think you know a lot as well. Why don't ya man up and supply the answer.
Kenny must be mad. You coaching line somewhere now?
Nah too busy with my other ventures. Or I'm waiting for the Valle job to open.
You talking D1 or just NAIA and up?
Don't act like NONE of them have gone on to play college ball in some capacity.
WAHHHHHHHHH, you are mister know it all. Same to ya but more of it! My dad wears bigger shoes than your dad! WAAAAHHHHHHH, you big baby that's infatuated with high school boys from Ste. Genevieve. TROLL SOME OTHER TOWN YOU STALKER
Either comment on the original topic - should private schools be allowed to play in Class 1 - or don't bother posting.
This isn't a Valle p|ss|ng contest.
This year 1 of the line men got a scholarship to a small Catholic college up around KC. Conner Basler got a baseball scholarship to SEMO. All the Festus and Farmington players didn't pan out again
Lecture Veer, he's the one throw darts first, I'm not going to change anyone's mind on this subject nor will you change mine. If he bashed your school as much as he's bashed ours, I doubt your patience be much different than mine
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