I thought coaching doesn’t matter?
At least Veer as said that. As well as someone mentioning that their wife could win 9 games at LN.
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At least Veer as said that. As well as someone mentioning that their wife could win 9 games at LN.
Coaching does matter. Especially if you don't have 15-20 D-1 kids playing Class 2 competition.
If you DO somehow manage to wrangle 20 D-1 kids and have the opportunity to play tiny rural schools, then yeah coaching becomes less of a factor.
How's that?
In a metro area of over 3 million you're going to be able to find at least 30 kids who can run incredibly fast and/or are at least 6'5" 290 lbs.
If you're in say, Chaffee, New Madrid, or Scott City, where the largest population center is 2,500 people and of that half are kids, the odds of having one, much less 30 of those genetic marvel go down significantly.
In that scenario it doesn't matter if Bill Walsh is your head coach, if your biggest kid is 6'2" 230 and your fastest kid runs a 4.8 40, no amount of coaching will make them a D-1 kid.
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Apparently you missed my earlier posts. I clearly said that I would be sitting this one out! Seems like my fellow Doc Guys have chosen to do the same. Although they did manage to slip a few 'Bosko is fat' posts in here.
I didn't say coaching didnt matter.
Have we come up with coaches that had same success at a public school after leaving private?
You act like these kids have one school to choose from in St. Louis. Sure there are more kids...there is also MANY more schools. If you keep talking it through you will soon expose your entire argument.
Well apparently all the best athletes in the city are too scared for their safety to go to any of the public options and have decided to go to one of three tiny private schools.
But please, do explain it to me how coaching is the reason Chaffee isn't pumping out D-1 kids.
We really need to introduce you to the Mox!!
Bob Weiler did well at Ste. Gen. John Bacon brought Farmington back from the dead. And Brandon Gregory did pretty well at Maplewood before going to CR.
I'm sure I could dig a little deeper to find more on the west side of the state.
I know this example isn't a private to public example but Coach Eckley down at Jackson has been pretty dominant since his first year in 2012.
He came from Union HS where he was 68-12 there in his 7 seasons. Jackson was 6-24 in the 3 seasons prior to Eckley taking over.
Gasp! Is that Gerry!? The guy @Duck_walk is so upset over for not making the Doc Guys??We really need to introduce you to the Mox!!
No there isn't. But there are a lot in the "exurbs," within a half hour or so of the metro areas. I just think the urban vs rural mentions cloud (and possibly weaken) the argument of public vs private. It also begs for the appearance that cultural differences are the commenter's real issue, whether that is the case or not.
Pretty much everyone BUT you has seen those things being brought up about those schools many times. If you didnt see it then you may not have been in those threads. Im not about to dig through 50 pages for something that everyone is certain has been brought up many times.
They don't have a choice for public schools, they only have one option. Unless their family is willing to move to a different school district. But, they do have a choice of several private schools.
Are you talking about being one of the largest schools in that Class or simply talking about their success, as to why they don't belong?
So...that has what to do with private school coaches having later success at public schools?
Nothing. Nothing at all. I clearly said it wasn't a private to public scenario in the first sentence. I'm assuming you didn't catch that one?
I used it as an example to show you that coaching is a lot more important than some of you may think.
There's TONS I mean many many examples of everything I mentioned. Most people like you choose to ignore. Like I said I cant help that you're blind.
Program/facilities
Example Maryville. I would compare them more to Harrisonville/Platte County then I would traditional class 2 programs
Just seen that you joined August 2019 lol you havent been here long at all so of course you wouldnt know. Makes sense now.
I wouldn't. Definitely not facilities-wise.
But way to try to interject Maryville into the conversation.
Facilities? Certainly you are not suggesting a school should have to move up a class because they have nice facilities...
If there are "tons", surely you can find one specific example?
If not, I'll just assume you're one of those people who like to yell "racist" to shut down a conversation or claim some kind of "internet victory".
If you want to level as serious an accusation at racism, surely you're man enough to call out the "racists" on this board and show specific examples.
They have 6 in 2020, 1 in 2021, and 2 in 2022. Its of course hard to do underclassmen because most offers will come after the season. They may have about 14 potential division 1 players in the school and maybe another 5-10 who can play D2/FCS.
You guys think its cheating but if you're a kid who has the options to play at the 4/5 St Louis schools who are sending this many kids to college you would wanna play there too. Its not recruiting once you get this much recruting success. Kids are begging to to there to play football.
Florida State came to LN and offered 7 guys in March including the 2 guys in 2022 after their freshman seasons. That stuff gets put on social media/news/newspapers etc.
Kids see it and want that to happen to them. Its simple. Not fair for the rest of Class 2 but the success Multiplier should fix it.
I call it out every time I see it, most of us do on here.
Like I said if you never seen discussion on here about assuming Crime, Bad Grades, Fathers Not being Around to cut the grass at lutheran North (this really happened), If the CR/Trinity kids will end up in prison, saying that they arent intelligent, undiciplined etc etc etc then you really just havent been around very long. Im 1000000% not making anything up I advise you to look for yourself.
This topic has already been covered to the point of nausea, but schools in the bottom 1/3 in size for each class literally almost never play for the state championship. So whether it is private or public, population/drawing area has a huge impact. Even those teams you guys claim have the greatest coaching staffs and programs do not have teams from the smaller schools in their class. Period.
