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Gubbba Bump Shrimp

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1. Reagan Supplied Weapons to America's Enemies
He armed Saddam Hussein's Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war despite the fact that it was widely known Iraq was using chemical weapons against civilian populations in violation of international law.

2. Reagan Ignored the Atrocities Committed by Saddam Hussein
Even after the whole world condemned Saddam Hussein for using chemical weapons to kill over 5,000 Kurdish civilians in Iraq, the Reagan administration continued to provide weapons and tactical information to Iraq. Iraq used this information to target its enemies with chemical weapons. Reagan even vetoed a UN resolution condemning Iraq.

3. Reagan Illegally Supplied Arms to Both Sides of the Iran-Iraq War
While he was supplying Iraq with weapons, Reagan also armed Iran during the Iran-Iraq War in direct violation of a U.S. law that he had signed.

4. Reagan Caved in to the Demands of Terrorists
After several Americans were taken hostage by terrorists in Lebanon, Reagan provided weapons to Iran in exchange for their release. Despite this concession, ultimately more hostages were taken.

5. Reagan Caved in to the Demands of Terrorists Again

After Reagan sent Marines to Beirut for a peacekeeping mission, a terrorist’s truck bomb killed 241 U.S. Marines. Reagan responded by immediately doing exactly what the terrorists wanted, pulling all the troops out of Beirut.

6. Reagan Was Weak in the War on Terrorism
After the bombing of the US Marine Corps barracks in Beirut, Reagan promised to track down and punish the terrorists who committed that horrible act. He never followed up on that promise.

7. Reagan Didn't Obey His Own Laws
He illegally supplied weapons to Nicaraguan rebels in violation of a law that he himself had signed.

8. Reagan Supported the Violent Overthrow of a Democratically Elected Government
He illegally supported the Nicaraguan Contras, whom he called “Freedom Fighters,” despite the fact that they killed civilians and wanted to overthrow the democratically elected government to restore the dictatorship that previously existed in Nicaragua.

9. Reagan Started an Unnecessary War to Divert Attention From His Failure in Beirut
Just days after the bombing that killed 241 Marines in Beirut, Reagan launched an attack on the island of Grenada to remove Cuban soldiers there. This successfully took attention away from the devastating loss of those Marines in Beirut.

10. Reagan Failed to Defend US From Saddam Hussein
When an Iraqi fighter jet fired a missile into a U.S. Navy ship in 1987, killing 37 men, Reagan did nothing in response to the attack. Iraq is still the only non-allied country to attack a U.S. warship without retaliation.

11. Reagan Helped Create Al Qaeda
The Reagan administration armed and supported the Mujahideen rebels in Afghanistan. Many members of the Mujahideen, like Osama bin Laden, used their experience in Afghanistan to help them form the terrorist organization Al Qaeda.

12. Reagan Supported the Racist Apartheid Government in South Africa
When the white minority in South Africa (just 10% of the population) brutally repressed the black majority, even denying them the right to vote, the U.S. Congress overwhelmingly passed the Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986 to apply pressure to South Africa to end Apartheid. But President Reagan opposed any sanctions on South Africa and vetoed that bill. Congress was forced to override his veto.

13. Reagan Supported the Most Brutal Dictators in the World as Long as He Didn't Consider Them “Communists”
  • He supported Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega. Later, when Noriega became too close with Fidel Castro, we suddenly considered him an enemy and removed him from power.
  • He supported Saddam Hussein when he committed the most brutal atrocities on Earth, killing thousands of his own people. Years later, when Saddam threatened our oil supply, we used these same atrocities as reasons to go to war with him.
  • He supported Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos even after Marcos killed his political rival and rigged his own reelection.
  • He supported the brutal regime in El Salvador when it was widely known that they were killing civilians, including Americans. After four American nuns were murdered by Salvadorian soldiers, Reagan’s Secretary of State defended the Salvadorians, suggesting that the nuns might have been shot while trying to run a military roadblock—but this wouldn't explain why they were also raped before they were killed.
14. Reagan’s Administration Had More Documented Corruption Than Any President in U.S. History
At least 138 Reagan administration officials, including several cabinet members, were investigated for, indicted for, or convicted of crimes. This is the largest number of any U.S. President. Many of them were pardoned by Reagan or President Bush before they could even stand trial.

15. Reagan Frequently Repeated Bald-Faced Lies Even After They Were Publicly Revealed to Be Untrue
  • He often told a story about a “Chicago Welfare Queen” who had 80 aliases and gotten $150,000 in welfare. She never existed but investigators did find one woman who had two aliases and received $8,000. Still, Reagan continued to tell the false version of the story.
  • He claimed that trees create more pollution than automobiles, an absurdly untrue statement that he literally pulled out of thin air.
16. Reagan Set Records for Budget Deficits
After criticizing President Carter for having a $50 billion deficit, Reagan’s own deficits exceeded $200 billion. He tripled the national debt in only eight years. Although Republicans blamed Congress for the deficits, all eight of the budgets Congress passed had less spending and smaller deficits than the budgets proposed by Reagan.

17. Reagan's Economic Policies Put Millions of Americans out of Work
When he took office in 1981, unemployment was at 7.5% and dropping. A few months after his economic policies took effect, unemployment began to rise again. Millions of people continued to lose their jobs for the next two years until unemployment exceeded 10%. It stayed above 10% for nearly a year, peaking at 10.8%. Three years after he was elected, unemployment was still higher than when he was sworn in.

18. Reagan’s Policies Allowed Hundreds of Thousands of Family Farms to Go out of Business or Declare Bankruptcy
By some accounts, nearly one third of all farms were at risk of being foreclosed during the 1980s. Reagan vetoed a farm credit bill that would have given farmers some relief. His popularity among farmers dropped so low that at one point when discussing the exportation of grain to other countries, Reagan joked that he would like to “keep the grain and export the farmers."

19. Reagan’s Financial Policies Caused the Savings and Loan Industry to Collapse
The financial deregulation and changes to the tax code that President Reagan enacted ultimately caused nearly 750 different financial institutions to fail. This cost taxpayers about $150 billion.

20. Reagan Robbed the Social Security Trust Fund to Pay for His Budget Shortfalls
After Reagan cut taxes for the rich, the tax revenue to fund the government was so small that the budget deficit grew to four times what it had been under Jimmy Carter. So Reagan “borrowed” hundreds of billions of dollars from the Social Security trust fund to pay the country’s bills. That money has never been paid back.

21. Reagan Largely Ignored the AIDS Epidemic while Tens of Thousands of People Were Dying of the Disease
Many conservatives in the 1980s believed that AIDS was God’s punishment for being gay. Ronald Reagan did not publicly talk about AIDS until the 6th year of his presidency. In 1986, when AIDS fatalities were doubling every year, Reagan proposed cuts in funding for AIDS research.
 
Amazing anyone like that could win two LANDSLIDE elections. Maybe your opinion and description of his actions are jaded.
 
Or maybe the American voter is even more uninformed than I thought...

All those things happened...yes or no?

Since Reagan was so awful, no sense having a 10 page re-living of the 80s.
Trump and Reagan likely have only one thing in common.....huge electoral college victories.
 
You left off he pretty much single handily destroyed the Soviet Union and brought a peacefull end to the cold war

A conservative fairy tale. The Soviet Union was rotting from within, would have dissolved with or without Reagan. He just happened to be in charge at the time.
 
Yes, Reagan and Trump both had huge electoral college victories. Or were you talking about Reagan winning the cold war?

I'd be coy too if I supported a conservative fairy tale that has been re-imagined into something impressive.

I had as much to do with the fall of the Soviet Union as Reagan did.
 
Did those things happen or not?

As I thought from the beginning you were not a Conservative.

A. SDI somehow missed your list

B. Pan Am 103 somehow missed your list

C. Omar Qaddafi somehow missed your list

D. Iran that used "WMD's" inside of Iraq killing at least 250,000, sponsored Commercial Jet Airliner Highjackings, backed terror attacks in Israel, Helped Fund the PLO, spread terroism into Lebanon, took American Hostages for 444 days, refused to give information that could have stopped the 1972 Olympic Terror Attack, Gave Saddam Hussein's insurgency in the Iraq War the IED technology to destroy M1 Abrams Tanks and kill American soldiers for over a "decade", moved forward with Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Testing even though it breaks "The Iran Agreement" set perimeters , continues to obtain a nuclear device that can set atop an ICBM to reach Southern California ....

Somehow missed your list.
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Like all decisions made by presidents, "History" will be the ultimate"decider"of just how well they did their job over time.

It is obvious by your slanted assessment of Reagons presidency that you would like to rewrite History.

Your blowing over the Strategic Defense Initiative as something that never happened was foolish.

The Patriot Missile Defense used in the Gulf War for the first time was a huge success as was the new ARROW Missile Defense that protects Israel today.

Both programs as well as many others would never had happened without the STAR WARS initiative.

Yes I get it that you hate Conservatives and you think "every" war is always "our" fault.

The reality though is...
We Won and You Lost.

Go home and take a nap, come back and see US in ( 4 ) long years...:cool:

Goodnight

 
As I thought from the beginning you were not a Conservative.

A. SDI somehow missed your list

B. Pan Am 103 somehow missed your list

C. Omar Qaddafi somehow missed your list

D. Iran that used "WMD's" inside of Iraq killing at least 250,000, sponsored Commercial Jet Airliner Highjackings, backed terror attacks in Israel, Helped Fund the PLO, spread terroism into Lebanon, took American Hostages for 444 days, refused to give information that could have stopped the 1972 Olympic Terror Attack, Gave Saddam Hussein's insurgency in the Iraq War the IED technology to destroy M1 Abrams Tanks and kill American soldiers for over a "decade", moved forward with Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Testing even though it breaks "The Iran Agreement" set perimeters , continues to obtain a nuclear device that can set atop an ICBM to reach Southern California ....

Somehow missed your list.
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Like all decisions made by presidents, "History" will be the ultimate"decider"of just how well they did their job over time.

It is obvious by your slanted assessment of Reagons presidency that you would like to rewrite History.

Your blowing over the Strategic Defense Initiative as something that never happened was foolish.

The Patriot Missile Defense used in the Gulf War for the first time was a huge success as was the new ARROW Missile Defense that protects Israel today.

Both programs as well as many others would never had happened without the STAR WARS initiative.

Yes I get it that you hate Conservatives and you think "every" war is always "our" fault.

The reality though is...
We Won and You Lost.

Go home and take a nap, come back and see US in ( 4 ) long years...:cool:

Goodnight

Economically we all lost. Unless you're part of the top 1% of earners.

And you aren't, so guess what idiot, YOU lost too.
 
Economically we all lost. Unless you're part of the top 1% of earners.

And you aren't, so guess what idiot, YOU lost too.

Silly liberal, True Conservatives are not jealous of the .001%
Perhaps you should have been a Bernie Supporter?:cool:

Once again...
This time for real, Goodnight!
 
Silly liberal, True Conservatives are not jealous of the .001%
Perhaps you should have been a Bernie Supporter?:cool:

Once again...
This time for real, Goodnight!

Who's jealous? Perfectly comfortable in the middle class...unfortunately due to policies YOU support, soon there will only be rich and poor.

Guess which one you'll fall into while you hand Trump and his cronies obscene amounts of money.
 
Trump didn't win by a "landslide". But I will tell you one thing. The Democrats got booted out by a landslide... Pres., House, Senate, Governors, pretty much a landslide.
Trump won 85% of U.S. counties. That is a landslide and why we have an electoral college.
 
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Like how everyone is conveniently missing the point. Reagan was one of the worst politicians ever and you are all clamoring for round 2.
 
Trump didn't win by a "landslide". But I will tell you one thing. The Democrats got booted out by a landslide... Pres., House, Senate, Governors, pretty much a landslide.
Did I miss it when republicans gained seats in the house and senate? The results I saw said dems picked up seats in both. Not enough to be in the majority in either but they weren't before this election anyway. It's closer now so they don't need to flip as many republicans now as they did before to stop a bill or pass a bill and some of the republicans left don't think much of Trump.
 
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Did I miss it when republicans gained seat in the house and senate? the results I saw said gems picked least in both. Not enough to be in the majority in either but they weren't before this election anyway. It's closer now so they don't need to flip as many republicans now as they did before to stop a bill or pass a bill and some of the republicans left don't think much of Trump.
Please quit with the facts 3r
 
I'd be coy too if I supported a conservative fairy tale that has been re-imagined into something impressive.

I had as much to do with the fall of the Soviet Union as Reagan did.[/QUOTE
Like how everyone is conveniently missing the point. Reagan was one of the worst politicians ever and you are all clamoring for round 2.
who the hell wants politicians running our country??? That's how everything has got so screwed up
 
Sometimes you should just learn to quit.

I believe I was quite generous in agreeing with you that Trump was not a Conservative all his life.

Perhaps he has changed based on his Cabinet picks but it will take more than that to convince US.

Why is it that you guys get to do the slamming all the time and we're supposed to sit back and watch?

The World has changed.

No longer will the Left Wing Media and RINO Republicans be able to dictate the "NEWS" story of the day, nor will they be able to define who True Conservatives are.

We're here to stay.

Did I mention we just took control of 85% of the State Legislatures in the United States? :cool:
 
Kind of like Bill Clinton and Mr. Obama eh
I don't think anyone on here made (I mean stole) a list of the 21 worst things a President has ever done regarding either one of those 2. Gubbbbbbba claims Reagan was a stupid monster yet he won 2 actual landslide elections. The guys you named won 2 elections by no where near the same margins as Reagan.
 
I don't think anyone on here made (I mean stole) a list of the 21 worst things a President has ever done regarding either one of those 2. Gubbbbbbba claims Reagan was a stupid monster yet he won 2 actual landslide elections. The guys you named won 2 elections by no where near the same margins as Reagan.

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Gubbbas list was based on the thinking that...

1) SDI was unnecessary and unproductive.
2) Reagon was an idiot.
3) Conservatism is only about money
4) The US Government does not use the CIA
5) Grenada was not worth saving
6) Saddam at the time was worse than Iran
7) WMD's matter...What about the RED LINE?
8) The Volkswagen size bombs that dropped on Beruit Lebanon from the USS IOWA would be over looked by those who do not know History or were simply not born then.

Unfortunately for Gubbba....
Some of us who lived during that point in time were older than ZERO.
 
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Gubbbas list was based on the thinking that...

1) SDI was unnecessary and unproductive.
2) Reagon was an idiot.
3) Conservatism is only about money
4) The US Government does not use the CIA
5) Grenada was not worth saving
6) Saddam at the time was worse than Iran
7) WMD's matter...What about the RED LINE?
8) The Volkswagen size bombs that dropped on Beruit Lebanon from the USS IOWA would be over looked by those who do not know History or were simply not born then.

Unfortunately for Gubbba....
Some of us who lived during that point in time were older than ZERO.

No, it's based on the thinking that global military interventionism has wide reaching and more often than not, negative long term affects.

You said yourself that interventionist strategy in the middle east has been cumulatively bad for western civilization in general and the United States specifically.

Why then do you insist that we continue to involve ourselves in affairs that don't directly concern us. Just further proof you're not a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
 
Gubbba wants Obama for another 8 years, a real Conservative. o_O

When did I say that? In a perfect world I want a more competent Gary Johnson.

I don't think anyone on here made (I mean stole) a list of the 21 worst things a President has ever done regarding either one of those 2. Gubbbbbbba claims Reagan was a stupid monster yet he won 2 actual landslide elections. The guys you named won 2 elections by no where near the same margins as Reagan.

I never claimed that I made this, and if you couldn't figure out by the embedded links that this wasn't my creation (which doesnt make it's content any less true) then you're a bigger idiot than I thought.

True or false, Reagan’s foreign policy has created most of the issues we're dealing with today either directly or indirectly.

And his fiscal policy had direct negative impacts the poor and middle class.
 
No, it's based on the thinking that global military interventionism has wide reaching and more often than not, negative long term affects.

You said yourself that interventionist strategy in the middle east has been cumulatively bad for western civilization in general and the United States specifically.

Why then do you insist that we continue to involve ourselves in affairs that don't directly concern us. Just further proof you're not a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
How the hell would you have a clue what a conservative is
 
Fiscally I'm more conservative that you and your party could possibly dream of being.

Face it, fiscally, you're a big, fat liberal.

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Gubbba why do have such a problem with "Conservatives" that do not share your fiscal conservatism?

You know going in that there are other Conservatives that do not share your views. Fiscal, Social, Neo, Cultural, Christian Right, Tea Party and a mix of all of the above.

I personally am a so called ...
"True Conservative" but a Neo, Christian Right, Cultural, Tea Party, Constitutionalist Conservative is probably more accurate.

I have no problem with your fiscal responsibilities and in fact I need to take them more seriously.

I believe we're both Republicans...
why not act like it and quit attacking each other?

Trump is the president so why not stand behind him?

If he turns out to be another mess like Bush then we will move on...

 
We're not. We're both AMERICANS, and yet that doesn't matter to any of you people.

Party before country is your motto, right Scout?

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Actually Party is way down my wish list Gubb.
How about God and family...
Do they count?
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Later
 
Did I miss it when republicans gained seat in the house and senate? the results I saw said gems picked least in both. Not enough to be in the majority in either but they weren't before this election anyway. It's closer now so they don't need to flip as many republicans now as they did before to stop a bill or pass a bill and some of the republicans left don't think much of Trump.
( it should read, a seat or the seat or some seats, IDK ) Poor grammar dude, it is hard to follow. I have no real party affiliation. Just pointing out the Democratic Party got creamed in a game they were supposed to win.
 
Fiscally I'm more conservative that you and your party could possibly dream of being.

Face it, fiscally, you're a big, fat liberal.
You can't separate fiscal issues from social issues. They're deeply intertwined. They affect each other. Economic issues often are social issues. And conservative fiscal policies do enormous social harm. Being poor is expensive.
 
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