First morning of practices in the books? Any class 1 schools rocking 15-20 players? Considering doing a JV only schedule?
Thank you in advance for your prompt responses.
Thank you in advance for your prompt responses.
Where are we numbers wise?
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Weird how teams used to go ahead and play.
Now if they don't have every spot on the 2 deep penciled in with a Jr or Sr they may just call the season
I remember in 2020 when carthage cancelled the game w webb bc half their starters were out. Rather have a bye than give the younger kids experience. All it takes is 11 thay want to play.
In theory yes but when you're talking about throwing in some under-skilled mostly underclassmen for an entire game in class 5 football and against Webb City nonetheless you're wading into potential player safety risks. You may underestimate how much quicker the talent pool falls off at Carthage once you're past the starting group than it does at Webb City. It wouldn't be a fair or necessarily even safe fight.
So call Jrod and say 'Hey. Bro. We down to the meat squad. Get your 35 and take the foot off the gas?"
I see it all the time.
Don't teach these young men to quit. That is a huge disservice.
Show up and go to work.
Perhaps but sometimes it pays off to be the smart guy rather than the tough guy.
That's bs.
That's not tough. That's honoring your commitments.
Just because you get your best players hurt and you're gonna get smoked doesn't mean you quit.
Some programs I've been around have faced teams with struggling talent and numbers, For some reason those kids showed up to play anyway.
We are raising a generation of sissies. And it's the adults fault.
Harmon from KCK played Rock last year... Rock could have beat them by 100... got a little lead, put in the backups.. may have even started the backups... won 41-0. Harmon coach called it one of the greatest experiences of his players lives.
As Veer will admit though.... if there are 3 or 4 class 1 schools struggling with numbers, he wont be mad if you take a year to go JV.
“We are going to learn to play football, and we are going to get up and go to class like our mamas and papas expect us to. And we are going to win. Ten years from now, you are going to be married with a family, your wife might be sick, your kids might be sick, you might be sick, but you will get your butt up and go to work. That's what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to teach you how to do things you don't feel like doing."
Bear Bryant on January 10, 1958 at his first team meeting after being named head coach at the University of Alabama
By that logic, The other 7 COC schools not named "Neosho" or "Ozark" owe Carthage a C Team/JV/Varsity soccer tripleheader every year. You can play 3 halves a night so you only need 17 kids on your entire roster to make this happen. Some of the schools only have 25-30 out and won't even play a full JV game without forfeiting.
My son sometimes has too much time to look this stuff up, but here are some numbers he found. Now they could still be adding players:
Higginsville-39
Concordia-2, 4 Seniors
Northeast-18, no freshmen
Lathrop-35, 7 Seniors
St.Michael's-74
KIPP-32, no Seniors
Braymer-21
EastPrairie-31
Doniphan-33
Salisbury-27
Ash Grove-17, no Freshmen
Westran-28
Fayette-32
Russellville-33
Diamond-33
Crystal City-27
Lone Jack-24
Wellington-21
South Harrison-30
Thayer-29
Monroe City-41
Brookfield-46
South Shelby-46
Orrick-20
Rich Hill-30
Osceola-16, no Freshamn
LeBlond-32
St.Paul-10, No Freshmen
Windsor-25, last I heard
Higginsville-39
Concordia-2, 4 Seniors
Northeast-18, no freshmen
Lathrop-35, 7 Seniors
St.Michael's-74
KIPP-32, no Seniors
Braymer-21
EastPrairie-31
Doniphan-33
Salisbury-27
Ash Grove-17, no Freshmen
Westran-28
Fayette-32
Russellville-33
Diamond-33
Crystal City-27
Lone Jack-24
Wellington-21
South Harrison-30
Thayer-29
Monroe City-41
Brookfield-46
South Shelby-46
Orrick-20
Rich Hill-30
Osceola-16, no Freshamn
LeBlond-32
St.Paul-10, No Freshmen
Windsor-25, last I heard
Is there a rule on 8-man, how many can dress out on game night? I thought it was 25, but I can't find that in the MSHSAA guide.
There's no rule on how many can dress out. Heck, Worth County has had teams of 50 plus.
Crest Ridge (33); Polo (24); Lexington (26); Marshall (54); Chillicothe (57); Summit Christian (35); Hogan Prep (38); Marceline (43); father Tolton (50); Mark Twain (29); South Callaway (35)
Stanberry (21)-no Freshman; Pattonsburg (18)-1 Freshman, 1 8th grader; Princeton (21); St. Joseph Christian (14); DeKalb (17)-no freshman; South Holt (22);Mound City (19); Worth County (7)-not all roster in; Platte Valley (13)
Stanberry (21)-no Freshman; Pattonsburg (18)-1 Freshman, 1 8th grader; Princeton (21); St. Joseph Christian (14); DeKalb (17)-no freshman; South Holt (22);Mound City (19); Worth County (7)-not all roster in; Platte Valley (13)
what in the world has happened to Lexington. I know it's been a long time but they were once a power.
Pattonsburg coop with Gilman City and North Harrison, I doubt Worth County just has 7 plus they coop with Jefferson
Worth County co-ops with NE Nodaway. Jefferson co-ops with South Nodaway and (in football) North Nodaway
Lex
Lexington now has an enrollment about 60% of what they were in the glory days.
I remember talking to their HC in 2020 and he (and most in Lexington) knew some lean years were coming.
Gradual process in my opinion that follows the downfall of business in that town when the new Hwy 13 opened.
Troy-Buchanan has 157 out...96 for 10th-12th grade...plus 61 freshmen.
My first year of helping there in 2018 we only had 78 total....34 freshmen and 44 sophomores through seniors.
There were some years just 15 years or so ago where they only had fifty something total...and one season (I believe it was 2008) they dressed out only 23 healthy players for a Class 5 District game at Jeff City...and that included a starting freshman QB.
The increased interest in football and the culture change over the past six years has been pretty incredible,
My first year of helping there in 2018 we only had 78 total....34 freshmen and 44 sophomores through seniors.
There were some years just 15 years or so ago where they only had fifty something total...and one season (I believe it was 2008) they dressed out only 23 healthy players for a Class 5 District game at Jeff City...and that included a starting freshman QB.
The increased interest in football and the culture change over the past six years has been pretty incredible,
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Somehow they will still find a way to beat Joplin.
How does that compare to average? Seems I remember reading a few years ago they had 98 and Guidie indicated that was a 'big' group for them. It was an article in the Globe about Joplin WC and Carthage bucking the trend of declining participation in FB. Joplin and Webb City were both around 150 kids, although I think it said that number was not actually an increase at WC. One thing I did learn recently is that Carthage freshmen do not dress out for varisity games - at some schools they do. That may explain at least part of why their sideline often looks so sparse in comparison to their opponent.
A kid in the incoming freshman class described their group as "pretty bad". Sounded like maybe they are athletic enough, just undersized compared to the other COC teams they've played so they get pushed around a lot. So we'll see. Maybe they were slow to hit growth spurts in Jr High.
You have to remove the 34 freshmen. They dont count on a varsity roster and a varsity roster in the 50s is going to really hurt against teams like webb that is around 100 on varisty. Not saying they wont win those games but depth will hurt late in games and season.
I was going to say that Freshman group in Youth was really solid. But kids all grow different
They had some promising pieces on last years freshmen team when we played them.
Better numbers than I would have guessed. Class of 2023 had 20+ seniors and went undefeated freshmen year. Current Class of Seniors went winless freshmen year. 91 is the 2nd highest roster total they've ever posted I believe, but they also may be looking at their highest enrollment in history and are on the verge of jumping to Class 6 in a few years
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