Blair Oaks literally moved up this year.....the Webb situation is a very special one that I haven't seen in other areas of the state
What are these schools doing different
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Maryville just won their 100th game behind the coaching of Matt Webb in I think 108 tries. Since 2012 when he took over the program! As he always said, Tradition Never Graduates! Go Spoofhounds!
with the way the teams are this year, that might actually be easier lol
Hmmm things I've heard for the last 20 years....
Webb City is unique in that they’re a town that has for the most part expanded to maximum extent they can, but hasn’t seen a population decline because of that. That being true, combined with the rate of small schools dropping to 8-man and dropping football altogether, I don’t think Webb City will ever move up from class 4 under the current classification standards.
I think next year you are going to see a few more schools moving to 8-man. There are also probable a few larger schools who might consider 8-man if it weren't for the enrollment cutoff. Wonder if MSHSAA might have to consider going to a small school, large school 8-man classification in the future?
And I could see us going back to 5 classifications if they keep the cut offs at 64, because I think next year you won't see a combined total between class 5 and 6 reaching 64, we are barely over that this year, and if you take the schools that have dropped out in the lower classes we might be under.
Would have been 6 years ago if teams in lower classes hadn’t dropped football or gone to 8-man. There were about 55 Class 5 teams 6 years ago. Now it is what, 37? Hard to move up when everyone is backing up.
If trend continues might make more sense to go back to 5 classes.
OK its because the players and coaches at most high schools are just lazy and would rather watch Netflix or Hulu or whatever than work.
Webb City and Lamar have a gigantic amount of PRIDE
Valle just cheats
Most coaches are lazy? Come to a coaching clinic this winter and repeat that.
I was going to say the same thing... I don't a 'lazy' coach that keeps their job. Coaches have to take kids home cause parents don't make sure there is a ride for their child, they watch film for hours every week trying to put a game plan together, they coach said game plan all week and tweak what needs to be tweaked. If you think you can be lazy and coach at the high school level why not try it. I am sure you would do better then any of the coaches out there.
Boys it looks to me like he was being facetious,,,,read his previous post, then Bullit says "Lay off the Sauce",,,,,and he responds "OK then...…..
Seems you boys are short on ears and long on mouth,,,,to quote the Duke
Boys it looks to me like he was being facetious,,,,read his previous post, then Bullit says "Lay off the Sauce",,,,,and he responds "OK then...…..
Seems you boys are short on ears and long on mouth,,,,to quote the Duke
Riiiiight. Someone stuck their foot in it and is now using the “Trump was just joking” technique.
LOL, I've meet a few Webbies that would say the same thing to your face and are dead serious. So hard to know who is joking on here and who is not. Yes not all believe that way, but there are a few who have the attitude that nobody works harder than those wearing the Cardinal and are not afraid to voice it.
Here were your words:
OK its because the players and coaches at most high schools are just lazy and would rather watch Netflix or Hulu or whatever than work.
Seems pretty clear there, genius.
Maryville was in the bottom quartile in size in Class 3 for many years. Still successful. But they are the exception for sure.
Well honestly not that others don’t work as hard, but I don’t know how you could expect a bunch of guys to work any harder at what they do than the guys at Webb
Yes. I do think WC is growing faster now than they have in the past 20 years.
Most moves to Webb City happen when a couple buys their first home or when kids are starting school. I know a ton of families who did just that. From Joplin, Carthage, CJ, Riverton, Diamond, Seneca, you name it. WC also gets a disproportionate amount of the families new to the area entirely, at least from my observations.
People say there is something in the WC water that just grows athletes but it’s not the water that ensures there is never a class void of quantity and quality of players - it’s the lure of football championships or little league world series that brings in a steady stream of young future athletes with parents that live and breathe their kids sports with ridiculously high rates of participation and buy-in. It’s a result of being good but it’s also a component in staying good.
Various factors can aid the implementation and sustainment of a program….
People say there is something in the WC water that just grows athletes but it’s not the water that ensures there is never a class void of quantity and quality of players - it’s the lure of football championships or little league world series that brings in a steady stream of young future athletes with parents that live and breathe their kids sports with ridiculously high rates of participation and buy-in. It’s a result of being good but it’s also a component in staying good.
Various factors can aid the implementation and sustainment of a program….
- Good coach combined with a group of reasonably talented but most importantly - coachable kids.
- Parents that get involved but don’t get in the way.
- Parents and players that seem themselves as a small piece of a big puzzle no matter how good they think they are.
- A community that is willing to support and get excited about something.
- Youth program coaches that support the varsity system rather than trying to do their own thing and make a name for themselves.
- Numbers - more kids on the sidelines translates into better kids on the field and more/better options for backups and next year’s team.
- Geography can also help in some cases - a district in a location that is close to employment but also prime for cheap housing that is attractive to young families.
- Also in some cases I think it can help if a community doesn’t have a whole lot else going on to compete for attention and identity. Think back to WC in the 80s and it wasn’t known for much aside from poverty and toxic waste piles left behind from the mining era.
I agree about Lamar. That success has occurred with jobs leaving Lamar.
I’m not saying Lamar would tank if he lest now that they are established but Bailey is one hell of a good coach. I think if he went to East Newton they would probably compete for championships within s few years.
Where are other high school jobs you think he would take? What about COC jobs?
I don’t think he is going anywhere. I’m just saying that Lamar was a perennial doormat before he showed up and has been an elite program since. I don’t think Lamar just suddenly got some good athletes a few years ago. He tapped into and got the potential out of his players.
I was always impressed with Lamar's athletes even back when I was in school, they had potential. cAssville was the same way and look at them now always contending and back when I was in school they went two or three years without a win, and hadn't won conference in I don't know how long.
Webb was probable the same, and then a good coach like Kill comes along and just shows the town what they are capable of, and then Webb has been pretty lucky to hire some coaches who followed Kill who didn't mess with the formula he created that much along with administration.
So no matter what you have to have the athletes or potential first, before you can have any success.
It doesn't take many...it only takes a couple to make the difference between good and great.And I'm just arguing that it happens far less than people try to say it does. I'm clearly not going to change anyone's mind. If you think the sole reason that Webb is able to be as good as they are is by relying on recruiting talent from the area, then you enjoy your life.
A lot of people outside of the area probably don't understand the continuity we have actually had in our Coaches. When Coach Kill came to Webb City in 1988 he was the Defensive Coordinator at nearby Pitt State where he had two very good linebackers playing for him named Kurt Thompson and John Roderique. Thompson came to Webb with Coach Kill and after two short years when Jerry left Kurt stepped into the head coaching roll without changing much if anything. After two state championships he left to go back to Pitt State and coach and in 1997 John Roderique left Pitt State and came to Webb as head coach (they basically traded jobs)
So for 30 years Webb has had the same program and work attitude on and off of the field. I think it would be very hard to duplicate
Lamar has had great athletes come through there. They have a very good freshman class. We will see what kind of coach he is come playoffs and the next couple of years!
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The guy took Lamar from homecoming opponent to 7 Straight state championships and you are going to "See what kind of coach he is" LOL I hope you are kidding.
What I am trying to say is, he is a good coach, but IMO the kids don't get enough credit for what they accomplished. The timing was perfect, good coach and a bunch of good athletes coming through the system and they bought in. They don't have the athletes they have had in years past, is why I am saying we'll see what kind of coach he is. He will have to coach different then going and asking for Beshore, Ayers, Lucas and plenty of others to go make a play! YES I THINK HE'S A GOOD COACH, just going to be interesting how he coaches without having some great athletes on the field for him.
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Lamar has always had athletes; I remember some very athletic basketball teams. Bailey has received tremendous buy in and I remember reading an article a few years ago of him stating that he gets to coach his kids and the parents get to be parents. Parents buying is just as important as player buy-in. Also Lamar is just close enough to Joplin and Nevada, plus having a hospital, helps provide opportunities for commuting parents.
Last time I checked their enrollment has decreased. in the 80's and 90's they use to be in class 3, it has been awhile since they were close to those numbers.
I wasn't talking about enrollment...I was talking about them having athletes in the past and somehow Bailey is getting the best out of them right now. Winning as become their culture. Last year alone, they won several Boys' district titles. It is a cultural by-in across the board.
