What are these schools doing different
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Or Maryville--in the bottom quartile in size in C3 for years. None of the above are in the bottom quartile in size. Webb is always in the top 10% in size in Class4:
2009 C2 State Champs
2010 C3 #4 Rank
2011 C3 #5 Rank
2012 C3 State Champs
2013 C3 State Champs
2014 C3 #2 Rank
2015 C3 #3 Rank
2016 C3 State Runner-Up
2017 C3 State Champs
2018 C3 #3 Rank
2009 C2 State Champs
2010 C3 #4 Rank
2011 C3 #5 Rank
2012 C3 State Champs
2013 C3 State Champs
2014 C3 #2 Rank
2015 C3 #3 Rank
2016 C3 State Runner-Up
2017 C3 State Champs
2018 C3 #3 Rank
I remember first game we played at Jeff City an old man shook my hand after the game and said "Your boys play like ours used to"
Many years ago after winning a state title the question was asked of our starting tailback " From the time you are in grade school you want to be one of those guys coming down that hill on Friday night wearing those baby blue pants"
This to me is absolutely a large reason why Webb seems to always reload. If you go ask a set of 3rd or 4th graders on the youth football teams what they want to be when they grow up I'm sure a few of them at least will tell you "I want to be a Cardinal". That combined with the fact that all the teams from HS down to 3rd grade are running some version of the same schemes and plays makes it so that by the time these guys are playing on Friday nights they have mastered how to run the option on offense and how to buy into the "do your job" team defense mentality. Obviously when you're in grade school they are running very watered down version of this style and trying to teach the fundamentals of the game, but by the time they get to middle school and jr high they are starting to settle into concepts that look very similar to what will be run at the high school level.
Then there are the little things that I'm sure basically everyone does at this point; focus on film breakdown, game planning by coaches, etc. One of the other things that I think gets overlooked a lot is how much a good scout team for practicing during the week plays into it. There are tons of underclassmen that don't really get to play on Friday nights, but they know that they need to emulate the team they are playing that week as well as possible to prep the starters for that week's game. I know when I played the scout team guys took a lot of pride in really trying to push the starters and do whatever we could to get them ready. Having players who can watch film on an opposing team and closely imitate what they are doing is invaluable to a teams' success.
GMO food and deer antler spray IMO.
Progam:
- Strong Youth Program tied into Varsity program (kids learning the systems used at the high school, terminology from K to 7th)
- Booster Bosko people. Strong boosters that help with fundraising.
- Parental buy-in to Summer being 100% football training.
- Good promotion and encouragement to get ALL the best athletes to not specialize in their other sports--and still come out for football.
- Excellent coaching staff.
- Charismatic head coach.(doesn't hurt)
- Buy-in from the administration.
Key factor that is often overlooked: LET THE COACH COACH.
Players need to be respectful, and listen to the staff. They have to put the team before the individual, and play for each other. They also can't be afraid of hard work. The amount of time and effort to achieve sustained success today is mind-boggling and some kids just aren't willing.
Parents need to back the staff and the school, and by all means support the program monetarily, emotionally, spiritually, and have their butts in the stands. They need to make the kids communicate with staff, not hover around and speak for them. They need to stay calm when things get tough, and support, not criticize.
All of this is easy to do when you are winning, it gets tougher when you are not.
Players need to be respectful, and listen to the staff. They have to put the team before the individual, and play for each other. They also can't be afraid of hard work. The amount of time and effort to achieve sustained success today is mind-boggling and some kids just aren't willing.
Parents need to back the staff and the school, and by all means support the program monetarily, emotionally, spiritually, and have their butts in the stands. They need to make the kids communicate with staff, not hover around and speak for them. They need to stay calm when things get tough, and support, not criticize.
All of this is easy to do when you are winning, it gets tougher when you are not.
So, let me see...100% buy-in to football training, but also not specialize--and still come out for football? Sounds like specializing to me
Football training, I think he meant weight training, which helps all sports and not just football. Someone said it best, the great teams are great programs. The young kids are involved in the program and are expected to carry the tradition on each year from the time they hit 4th grade. Not only expected, but they want to carry that tradition on. That is the biggest difference (IMO) in great programs and great teams in certain years.
If that does not work, recruit better kids!
In Webb's case, their location has a lot to do with it. being sandwiched between joplin and carl junction school districts, they won't ever go up in class and as long as the kids move a short distance before high school, it isnt illegal. Plus they're well coached obviously
Wrong topic.....nobody said anything about specializing....most of the best kids in the successful programs are multi-sport athletes.......
Things that really help:
1. Coaches who are great teachers
2. Football people on the school board
Who don’t think they know more than the HC.
3. Administrators who value football
4. Parents who value football
5. A run of great athletes at the beginning to get the whole thing started.
6. A Chinese buffet in town.
1. Coaches who are great teachers
2. Football people on the school board
Who don’t think they know more than the HC.
3. Administrators who value football
4. Parents who value football
5. A run of great athletes at the beginning to get the whole thing started.
6. A Chinese buffet in town.
You could break that down to, be in the weight room and working hard when you're there. Yeah you can go play summer baseball, but be in the weight room when it's required.
I know a LOT of times at Webb the "Star" running back may only have 5-6 carries for the game then he is relegated to sideline duty as head cheerleader for the kid that went on the field to replace him. Makes every guy on the team know that if he puts the time and work in that eventually his time will come.
For many years we were very lucky at Webb to have Coaches Roderique, Smith, and Correll on the staff together. It was like having three excellent head coaches working together without an ego between them
I remember Coach Smith saying once "If the only thing our kids get out of our programs is winning a bunch of football games and a ring then we have failed them" ITs tough love at Webb coming up through the program but it seems to work
1. Have across the board community buy in, from the school board down.
2. Hire a coach, let him coach, and don't make unnecessary hurdles for the staff's success.
3. Promote a feeder system (little league, jr high) that runs the same offense and defense as the varsity and market being part of the varsity as a worthy goal to be achieved. Make sure the young kids know they ARE a part of the program.
4. Either be a great weight room guy or hire one.
5. Community outreach by the coach and players.
6. Promote integrity and personal responsibility. Avoid letting suspended players wear other kids jerseys to skirt the rules.
THe nuance being allow athletes doing training for other sports to do that. As long as they are training.
I can't vouch for every class that has ever come through Webb, but the teams that I played with I think there were 2 or maybe 3 people that came from other schools. Everyone else on the team was in the WC program from the 3rd grade. The guys in my senior class were the same guys I started playing with in the beginning more or less. I hear this a lot. That Webb pulls the talent from Joplin, CJ, and Carthage. But I would love to see people have some tangible evidence that this is happening. Unless they are pulling that talent in grade school I just don't see it.In Webb's case, their location has a lot to do with it. being sandwiched between joplin and carl junction school districts, they won't ever go up in class and as long as the kids move a short distance before high school, it isnt illegal. Plus they're well coached obviously
It's hard to believe, but Webb's teams aren't typically the most talented on the field. In fact, most of the time, I would argue that they aren't the fastest, or have the best football IQ, or superior athletically. What all players are, that go through that program though, is well disciplined, coached, and focused. The coaching staff there demand perfection, and most of the time they get damn near close. To say that they are simply stealing athletes from the area and writing off their success that way is a slap in the face to the amount of effort and time each of those coaches and the community put into the kids that go through that program.
The great programs not only Win the off season they turbo clock the field.
People want to say it culture and admin and community buying in. That's nonsense, is hard work. Liberty North has all kinds of community buy in now. Not so much 2 years ago.
so I guess the answer is coaches that are committed to the off season.
People want to say it culture and admin and community buying in. That's nonsense, is hard work. Liberty North has all kinds of community buy in now. Not so much 2 years ago.
so I guess the answer is coaches that are committed to the off season.
Bahah...what form has that NEW buy-in taken at Liberty North? Um, seems to me I saw some 8,500+ crowd games for those Lib/LN games the past four years, going back to when they played at WJC.
Wow, it took several years but someone finally figured it out. When I played, Lamar only had a crappy little takeout joint. When they moved to the bigger building and added the buffet it only took a few years for the State Championships to start rolling in. We did have a small amount of success when the Babe's was open but they closed and the success went with them.
Webb doesn't have down classes for some reason. Every other school has certain classes that no matter how much you coach them, they are just not athletic enough to do anything with. It is not statistically possible for them to never have a down class unless kids are moving there.
So when I said the coaches demand perfection I don't mean sometimes or kind of. They demand every player to strive towards perfection. Webb almost never out athletes people. They don't beat themselves, and the triple option they run, when executed properly, is very difficult to stop. That system is an equalizer for a lot of talent gaps.
But like I said, I have no insider information on who has or hasn't moved from or to anywhere. Just that if people have specific examples of it happening I would love to hear about it.
When they have 150 kids to choose from 9-12 ...they won't have down years . Some classes are better than others but they will always be pretty good . Cry foul all you want but it's just a way of life in Webb . They may get a few kids move in here and there ...maybe 1-2 a year but for the most part it's just kids that have worked for and dream of playing under Friday night lights with that cardinal logo on their helmet since they were in second grade . Untill they have a major dip in numbers ....that's not going to change
Just hard to believe all of those college kids they produce every year were all born within the WC school district when no other area school district produces anywhere near that.
All what college kids???? We have Castillo at MU and I think that’s it right now
its a widely accepted theory that at our rival (who was racking up state championships) some of their guys were on the juice..........................don't discount the 'roid and cheater way to win
Honest to god Webb probably has more girls in their weight room than most football teams do
....yep ...that's how Webb has won state 14 of the last 29 years . Straight up cheating. Steroids , illegal players , coaches who pay off refs , fake adresses , etc . It's a giant conspiracy. It had nothing to do with great coaching , Jerry Kill ? Cheater . Kurt Thompson ? Cheater . John Roderique ? Cheater . Webb has cheated for 3 decades and hasn't been caught . That's impressive......OR........they have kids that buy In and have triple the amount of players of like sized teams ...?
