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Well this is going to be a close one. Final NBC poll tied at 49% apiece

i've already explained it in the terms I thought you might understand.

your rahrah for your team keeps your vision focused on your colon.
The economy continued to improve under Trump until COVID happened. I don't care who was president during that, the economy was going to get worse. Every economy in the world was effected by COVID and you act like the US was just going to carry on like normal not effect them. Did the GDP go up under Trump?
 
It's not even his logic. It's the consensus of just about every economist. This is not difficult information to find.
So you're confirming the economy improved under Biden because of Trump. That's good to know.
 
The economy continued to improve under Trump until COVID happened. I don't care who was president during that, the economy was going to get worse. Every economy in the world was effected by COVID and you act like the US was just going to carry on like normal not effect them. Did the GDP go up under Trump?
What happened under trump was massive deficit spending (even before covid).

Remember when his idiotic tariffs made it so American farmers made more from welfare than they did from selling crops?

You probably don't.
 
So you're confirming the economy improved under Biden because of Trump. That's good to know.

There is no one-to-one ratio of presidential policy to economic performance. It is a factor, of course, but, as anyone who has done even a first year undergraduate class on economics would tell you, it's not a significant factor in the short-term and even then it's only indirect in the long-term. I know that this doesn't fit a simple worldview, but not much actually does.
 
What happened under trump was massive deficit spending (even before covid).

Remember when his idiotic tariffs made it so American farmers made more from welfare than they did from selling crops?

You probably don't.
I don't necessarily agree with his stance on Tariffs. They are a complicated topic because the the intent is good, keeping jobs in America, but also not realistic. People vote to raise minimum wage and companies have to pay workers more just to get applicants that they can't afford the labor compared to other countries. Like most other things, there are trickle down effects from one thing to the other.

In our industry the cost for American made fittings are substantially more than foreign made. Therefore most people use foreign unless we have to be BAA or BABA compliant. Which BABA is getting pushed more and more.
 
What happened under trump was massive deficit spending (even before covid).
Remember when his idiotic tariffs made it so American farmers made more from welfare than they did from selling crops?

You probably don't.



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That is an almost exact quote from a Democratic pundit. He used the term air head I chose bubble the rest was spot on west coast elite who parroted her role in Biden’s economy.

And really when has a Dem supporter ever been classy calling Trump and his supporters fascist and Hitler like racists.

So why would anyone give a darn about the opinion of Lefist Marxists Democrats?
"But on other skills."?
 
No. It showed what many Americans think of politicians on the left. Americans love many of their policies though, as evidenced by all the passed ballot measures not to mention the vast majority of polls on the subject. When you don't put the word "Democrat" or "liberal" or "Republican" or "conservative" on a question/policy, it turns out that people are surprisingly rational about what they actually believe/want.
Besides abortion what other ballot measures are you talking about? And if it’s abortion your referencing it is a topic that is female driven and crosses the aisle.

All people tend to like to gamble on sports or at casinos. Those ballots issues are bi-partisan.
 
Besides abortion what other ballot measures are you talking about? And if it’s abortion your referencing it is a topic that is female driven and crosses the aisle.

All people tend to like to gamble on sports or at casinos. Those ballots issues are bi-partisan.
What does a person from BFE/MG know about what others like?

Hint: we don't marry our cousins round here.
 
So if the economy gets better under Trump, it's because of Biden? But you all have stated how great the economy is currently doing, so by that logic it is because of Trumps previous tenure? Got it.

And yes, I got back on here to watch you and Toots cry your tears of doom and gloom. It's been a bad year for Tootsie, Chiefs win the Super Bowl and currently undefeated, Trump wins the election. There's no reason to argue with either you or Toots. Your minds are made up and you won't listen to any other opinion. That is why I got off of here.

It doesn't matter what Trump does in the next 4 years, you all will never say it was good or if it was good you will say it was someone else. Why not just hope that our country improves regardless of who is in office.
Ditto they don’t have the ability to engage in debate. They tend to just hurl insults and hateful remarks about what ever they dislike. It is very repetitive.

But it is very enjoyable to watch them implode when things don’t go their way.
 
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What does a person from BFE/MG know about what others like?

Hint: we don't marry our cousins round here.
Exhibit A of a person with limited intellect who has not the ability to reason let alone formulate a credible counter argument.

But he sure can demean and dehumanize a whole group of people who simply live in a geographical region.
 
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Exhibit A of a person with limited intellect who has not the ability to reason let alone formulate a credible counter argument.

But he sure can demean and dehumanize a whole group of people who simply live in a geographical region.
You should cry about it or disappear again cuz your widdul feewings get hurt.
 
You should cry about it or disappear again cuz your widdul feewings get hurt.
My feelings are not hurt I’m just point out Dems are racist and bigoted and that they call others that to shield their vile and disgusting personality traits.


Just read a few responses on this board and it is obvious for all to see. From toots to Veer2E to Joe Scarborough in the MSM calling Black and Hispanic men unintellectual and easily manipulated by Trump or that a whole area of people are not intuitive or educated.

You all label and categorize like no other group of people in the modern era. It is sad and pitiful.
 


Just pulling the Toots and posting a bunch of funny tweets. What in the world is wrong with these people?! You control 95% of everything that happens to you. Why do these lunatics act like the president has total control over their lives??
 
they probably deserve a massive punishment but I don’t think killing anyone is the best choice. Just wait until Trump mishandles another pandemic, that will thin out the MAGA herd again.

What’s really going to be funny is when a number of Hispanic men who overwhelmingly favored Trump by more than double digits get caught up in Trump’s concentration camps because they brown. Then we will see how much they like Donnie’s immigration policies.

You geniuses who think tariffs and shipping out immigrants won’t blow inflation up like a hot air balloon are going to be crying like toddlers. I’ll be here for all of it.

I won’t disappear when things don’t go my way like the panty wastes who suddenly came back the last two days.
 
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they probably deserve a massive punishment but I don’t think killing anyone is the best choice. Just wait until Trump mishandles another pandemic, that will thin out the MAGA herd again.

What’s really going to be funny is when a number of Hispanic men who overwhelmingly favored Trump by more than double digits get caught up in Trump’s concentration camps because they brown. Then we will see how much they like Donnie’s immigration policies.

You geniuses who think tariffs and shipping out immigrants won’t blow inflation up like a hot air balloon are going to be crying like toddlers. I’ll be here for all of it.

I won’t disappear when things don’t go my way like the panty wastes who suddenly came back the last two days.
Did you really just say “I don’t think killing anyone is the best choice?” How should that be a choice at all?! But you are the party of love and peace and the Pubs are the party of hate. Yea makes a lot of sense. It’s deranged people like you why I got off this board before and why I am again. There’s no reasoning with you. You think people should be punished for who they vote for. There is nothing of substance to be discussed here. It’s just you and a few others crying about Trump.

But I will wait for these concentration camps. You’re just like the 3 percenters that told me they were putting up concentration camps in 2020. Lunatics on both sides that always fear the doom and gloom and none of it happens.
 
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Did you really just say “I don’t think killing anyone is the best choice?” How should that be a choice at all?! But you are the party of love and peace and the Pubs are the party of hate. Yea makes a lot of sense. It’s deranged people like you why I got off this board before and why I am again. There’s no reasoning with you. You think people should be punished for who they vote for. There is nothing of substance to be discussed here. It’s just you and a few others crying about Trump.

But I will wait for these concentration camps. You’re just like the 3 percenters that told me they were putting up concentration camps in 2020. Lunatics on both sides that always fear the doom and gloom and none of it happens.
What you are proving is that you don’t pay attention. They can’t round up millions of illegals without housing them somewhere. It won’t be at the Holiday Inn, Junior. And how are the “authorities” going to know if a Latino is a citizen or not? People are going to be arrested for nothing.
 
The economy continued to improve under Trump until COVID happened. I don't care who was president during that, the economy was going to get worse. Every economy in the world was effected by COVID and you act like the US was just going to carry on like normal not effect them. Did the GDP go up under Trump?
When Trump inherited Obama’s economy which had grown moderately and steadily for years, Conservatives in Congress and many economists advised him not to cut taxes during that time of prosperity. They told him it would lead to inflationary pressures.

With all the giveaways during Covid by Trump and Biden, especially the PPP forgiveness it drove inflation up during Biden’s first two years. Anyone with any knowledge knows that.

They advised him to either pay down the debt or pass an infrastructure bill. He didn’t.

Biden did everything he said he would do to help the economy recover and set us up for more prosperity. Inflation is now down to acceptable levels. Prices are not going to return to 2020 levels. That would require deflation and lead to job losses.

This stuff isn’t that complicated.
 
you guys are proving my point. Generally (in lieu of a major event worldwide) a presidents policy really only goes into effect the last year of his first term.
So your saying the Chair of the Federal Reserve and the 12 board members with 2 appointed by the new President have minimal effect on the economy..... Most economic studies show that Presidents greatly effect the GDP growth in their first two years. I'd say deregulation will go into effect by his 2nd year in as will some of the tax cuts and breaks.

While Trump won't turn things around in 100 days or even 365..... by his 2nd year he can make a difference.
 
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It's not even his logic. It's the consensus of just about every economist. This is not difficult information to find.
A long term UC Berkeley study found that economist where correct about 23% of the time and can barely predict economic developments past 1 quarter.

Economist are horrible at their job because.... well they are just guessing using outdated and biased models and view points. Often view points that are politically motivated...On both sides

A Psychic chicken could hit at a 23% rate. But people keep touting up those experts as EXPERTS. That is part of the issue we have in large part people getting a economic degree and controlling things is really laughable and worthless. 23% prediction rate is insane and that people give them any credence is even more mind boggling. .
 


Just pulling the Toots and posting a bunch of funny tweets. What in the world is wrong with these people?! You control 95% of everything that happens to you. Why do these lunatics act like the president has total control over their lives??
Let's be blunt all those folks are very histrionic and fall on the narcistic side of the axis it is trait that has infected the tik tok generation and those folks tend to gravitate to the Democratic party.

What is Ironic is that they actually have such a over inflated self worth they believe their hate and opinions have value and actually harm those who watch their video's. What those video's do is expose their mental and emotional unbalance for the populace to see.
 
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they probably deserve a massive punishment but I don’t think killing anyone is the best choice. Just wait until Trump mishandles another pandemic, that will thin out the MAGA herd again.

What’s really going to be funny is when a number of Hispanic men who overwhelmingly favored Trump by more than double digits get caught up in Trump’s concentration camps because they brown. Then we will see how much they like Donnie’s immigration policies.

You geniuses who think tariffs and shipping out immigrants won’t blow inflation up like a hot air balloon are going to be crying like toddlers. I’ll be here for all of it.

I won’t disappear when things don’t go my way like the panty wastes who suddenly came back the last two days.
So you are already predicting another Pandemic while Trump is in office?

So Trump and ICE is going to just randomly round up Hispanic Citizens and put them in Concentration Camps..... Do you know how insane that sounds. No Citizen is getting rounded up and put in a Concentration camp. We have NO Concentration camps.

Targeted Tariffs can have a positive effect..... Blanket Tariffs are bad. We will see how they are implemented.

Toots the reason people don't post on here all day and every day like you and a few others is because we are not Unbalanced and we don't Have a deep seated need and desire for constant attention and Validation from those with a like mind. Literally you start threads and nobody responds to them but yourself.

Once Trump lost and Biden was in office and he was passing insane stimulus packages with money being funneled to Lawyers and tax breaks for bogus EV's ... F'n up the Afghanistan withdrawal, sending Billions and Billions to Ukraine without oversite, failing to secure the border, making appointments not based on merit but other Skills. And you defending his every move and Blaming the Former President ad nauseum what more is their to debate or discuss? You are Blue no Matter who and in the Cult no doubt.

What more is there really to discuss? Coming on and reading your post with minimal responses or interaction was very very enjoyable.



I will give you your credit though you do almost always end with some personal insult to make yourself feel superior.
 
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When Trump inherited Obama’s economy which had grown moderately and steadily for years, Conservatives in Congress and many economists advised him not to cut taxes during that time of prosperity. They told him it would lead to inflationary pressures.

With all the giveaways during Covid by Trump and Biden, especially the PPP forgiveness it drove inflation up during Biden’s first two years. Anyone with any knowledge knows that.

They advised him to either pay down the debt or pass an infrastructure bill. He didn’t.

Biden did everything he said he would do to help the economy recover and set us up for more prosperity. Inflation is now down to acceptable levels. Prices are not going to return to 2020 levels. That would require deflation and lead to job losses.

This stuff isn’t that complicated.
..... the Swiss had a period of Deflation and the economy was just fine. You can have periods of deflation that don't lead to massive job loss as long as the Deflation is driven by supply. If it is driven by supply prices are decreased but income and GDP increases.

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So now deflation is going to happen and it’s going to be ok because one time the Swiss survived it. Got it. And you criticizing Biden’s appointments after they saved our country from his Covid disaster is really priceless.

Once again he is inheriting a strong economy. Let’s see how he does.

 
I never said Deflation was going to happen I pointed out that times was tough and people are going to spend less and demand less goods and services I have no idea if the levels reach deflation and neither do you. My point was that the ever vaunted economist did a study after the Swiss went through deflation between 2015-2017 if I recall correctly the dates so they studied deflation and determined that there is two ways Deflation comes about and one is good and beneficial, the other not so good.
 
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