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If this was a final exam this coaching staff failed.
Congrats to that young man! My nephew QBd the 2010 Cardinals, he also played baseball for MU and now in the Diamondbacks farm system. Not sure what playing college baseball has to do with stopping someone in high school football from doing something but whatever floats your boat. I seem to remember a #1 FOOTBALL PLAYER in Missouri High School DGB, he played FOOTBALL from day one at Misery that got pounded by the CARDS, kinda mutes your point about Mr baseball...
WEEBB ran 31 more offensive plays.
Kearney had a whopping 67 yards recieving and 173 rushing yards. WEBB CITY had 130 recieving yards and 190 rushing yards. Yes sorry WEBBs three turnovers cost them the game..not saying forced or unforced regardless of which to say that they didn't affect the outcome is ridiculous..
He said MLB - Mike linebacker. nobody said anything about baseball except you.
I don't think he was referring to the MLB. I believe he was referring to Cale Garrett who is the starting middle linebacker at Mizzou who was on that championship Kearney team. Kid is a beast no doubt.
After watching this game, Smithville is better... in pretty much every position. I don't think thats on the coaches. Hard to blame them when they are losing the battle on the line of scrimmage so badly.
LMAO!! Touche'.. listening to WEBB game on the phone, got hockey on the TV and Basketball on the laptop with my draft kings board up and read "MLB", duh that's "baseball" who's pitching?? In full gamble mode my bad!!
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Without a doubt. Defense and special teams were outstanding tonight and all season long EXCEPT for the way they played off WRs. That was unreal. Offense was a real shame because Connery was a very special HSFB player who was on an island from about week 5 on............
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Except that the best players on the O Line were not playing...............gonna leave it at that.
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Except that the best players on the O Line were not playing...............gonna leave it at that.
That seems to be the theme of the Gray era...He finds positions for (senior) kids to play, rather than finding kids to play positions. That's why the secondary was so bad last year...I feel pretty confident that he could have made a couple substitutions on D and shut that running game down in the 2nd half. Of course the loss of 33 really showed up tonight. Losing 2x to Smithville in a season, that's a tough one.
15 & 11 had great second halves of the season on the offense side as well (as 34.) I just can't believe that they played 8 quarters vs Smithville and never really made an effort to stop that pass in the flat. Heck, I couldn't believe Smithville went away from it on a few drives.
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Long ago in my mangement career I found my best friend became the MIRROR. I am just a fan in the stands but noticed (and said so again tonight) the kids just don't look like they are having fun. Far be it for me to question anyone in the profession but I think letting go of control and doing what is best for the entire team instead of just the outgoing class may be an answer.
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Jones was a big kid. Top grade managers/coaches have (usually comes from experience coupled with their nature) the ability to get their teams to focus while still keeping them loose i.e. having fun. Kids just seem tighter/more serious the past couple of seasons................
Haha Kearney had 1.5yards per carry more. What were the net turnovevers? Fumbles that were forced. Bahaha. Damn making excuses again.
That had better change fast or the program will be on a downhill spiral.
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Let's hope this SECOND round of 32 out teaches some real good lessons. Time, as it always does, will tell.
I would think we'll know rather quickly how important football is with the Ktown administration. I think you were a fan of the hire, but I didn't like it (no the coach, but the decision to go with an unproven HC.) From my perspective if Gray aspired to be a HC, he would have jumped at one of the many opportunities that have been there over the last decade. Great LB coach, good DC, but I just don't see it as a HC.
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Actually I wanted them to go after Lathrop's HC. I was not really a fan of the hire but, once he was announced, wanted him of course to succeed. The dilemma is how do you fire a guy who has gone 16-6...................
I guess we'll see whether the goal is to become a basketball school with that new gym....
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Funny you bring that up. Waaaay back when I attended KHS hoops (girls especially) was our identity. Basketball both sexes has been extremely good the past few years...........
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At the average program/school would agree. Kearney is NOT that. The community support (again what an amazing crowd drove over to SVille last night!) is second to none in all NWMO at the least and continues to churn out great FB talent thus I would assume there are MANY area/regional HCs who would jump at the opportunity to be employed here.
Again the overall record is probably going to let the current HC keep his job for one more year but it will definitely be a high pressure situation UNLESS I am reading school admin wrong and they are happy just to compete.
Don't know about the admin, but i think you're reading the talent wrong (slightly). They were a very good team this year with losses to two teams that were clearly better. Obviously, winning is the goal, but is losing to a should be title game representative really reason to question his job? If that game happened to be in the semi's would that change your opinion? Unfortunately for Kearney, they are in the overall best district in class 4 and they didn't make it out. They are still a top 6 (at least) team in the state. I don't know Coach Gray super well, but I know him well enough to know that the players that give him the best chance to win are going to play. Regardless of class. Like most coaches, the senior probably gets the first shot, but eventually the cream rises and the best play.
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that there are better underclassmen that should be playing? I probably disagree, but don't discount the counter argument at all.
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OK (deep breath)..............although I thought it was a bit too emotional OABAAB, a KTown poster here, hit the nail on the head. Giving SRs the first shot at a starting position is nothing new BUT my understanding is they are given preference regardless of talent. If you have noticed my post-game thoughts this season I have consistently pointed to one unit as the key to the now ended K season: O Line. I am just a fan but have (this happened during last night's game again) been told at games via text/verbal this unit's JR class is much better. Now I grant that could be "parent talk" but I am telling you
Sorry, O Line, not going there just suffice to say this has been an ongoing complaint I hear from KTown folks the past two seasons. OABAAB, who I thought was a tad bit more emotional than I would be about this subject, pretty much hit the nail on the head earlier this week. That is all.............
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On another point (this could come across as harsh so apologize in advance if anyone takes it that way) I consistently use two phrases, one of which is now passe due to the Rams leaving for LA, when describing my annual goals: 1) Go to the Dome or go home and 2) Losing is not an option. Sound familiar? Webb City is definitely the #1 C4 program in MO (probably regardless of class frankly) and KTown has been the only other one able to compete with them on a consistent basis thus we Dogs fans have exactly the same annual expectations the Webbies do.
Again that may seem a bit unfair but it is what it is..............
No worries, I knew you said you wouldn't on another thread, just thought I'd try to get it out of you one more time lol
OL is the obvious the position I love. It's also my least favorite position to make midseason changes. Not saying it shouldn't be done if necessary, but it's a lot less likely to be plug and play. I get the concerns, but like I said earlier, I don't think that staff is going to put anything but the best chance for success on the field. Especially given the pressure that is on them in year 2. There could be an argument that one OL is better than another, but it may not be the best individual for the unit as a whole.
KTown is a top shelf program ....I doubt anyone could make an argument that they arent the second best program in class 4 over the last 16 years. As a Webb fan I spend way too much time keeping an eye on them on a yearly basis . I get some serious satisfaction when they lose but that's 100% because of Joey ....I respect the hell out of Kearney . It's unfair for teams to get compared to the likes of Webb or Lamar because that level of success isn't realistically obtainable. It shouldn't even be obtainable for them . What they do is an ignama . About 99% of teams in Missouri would kill for the level of success Kearney has on a yearly basis
I sometimes think about what will happen when Roderique retires from Webb or when Bailey retires from Lamar. Will those jobs the most highly sought after jobs in Missouri? Or will canidates not have the balls to apply because the level of success id almost impossible to duplicate . Imagine you take one of those jobs and you go 12-1 and lose in the quarterfinals. That's a great year by almost anyones standards but in those towns ...the fans would be pissed about it . I wouldn't want that challenge and headache. I think the same thing is happening to Grey. He's doing a great job but the bar is set at a unrealistic level. Just my opinion
No disrespect meant towards Lamar at all but? Lamar never won hardly at all before Bailey. And that youth program they have built in Lamar. Webb has always been great. (Of course not every season. But for the majority part.) the level of play for both teams for the majority of the past decade sure. But Lamar may not be quite the same without a coach with a certain vision for the program. And can keep these things up. I feel both jobs would be hard.... but I can’t help but to feel Webb would be easier to fill than Lamar. Lamar is such a certain niche kind of program. Webb kinda has your typical powerhouse program. Get a big name who gets kids ready to play and the Webb job is filled. I’m not sure Lamar is that easy. Lamar may have to start over if things don’t seem to work with a different coach. I hope everyone can take this well. lol There’s no disrespect meant towards either program. Both are excellent.
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The level of expectations in Lamar is established. It's championship or bust now . I have a hard time figuring out how they do it honestly just giving the economic situation they are in with most of their major industries closed now . I would think jobs are scarce there so there is little to no reason to move there ...how they have maintained this level of success for as long as they have is baffling to me. I keep thinking to myself that their party will end soon (been thinking that for years ) but it doesn't . Train just keeps on rolling and that's a major testimant to the Lamar staff . Webb has the luxury of having plenty of jobs and a town close by with even more jobs
I definitely get what you're saying, but I tend to disagree based on one premise.. I think the streak Lamar is on "ends" while Bailey is still at the helm. Not that they will be bad by any stretch, but I think they come back down to earth a little. When JRod hands over WC, it'll probably be after there 37th state championship, and they will still be in the big game damn near every year.
Lamar I think "falls" back to a pretty similar situation as Kearney. Still really good, quarters at least most years, always 7-3, 8-2, or better, but not on a string of championships like they currently are.
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Well I appreciate your comments in this thread and know a MAJOR point of conversation among KTown folks who either read or post here is JN and it is not positive at all. I would agree about the bar being unrealistic but we just lost in the district semifinals (round of THIRTY TWO) two years in a row. Now to replacing a legend that seemed to work out for you all when Kill left.............just saying.
True but some have eluded to the fact that even after kill left .... Thompson stepped in and won 2 state championships and a semifinal loss to Excelsior in 96. He went to several other schools had nothing of that success . Then Roderique steps in 1997 ...goes 14-0 and wins state ....next year they don't make the playoffs and people want him fired . I wanna say they we're something like 5-5 in 98' ....point is ...every coach that has been there since kill has had success and got a title two but you can't expect a coach to win 93% of their games like Roderique has ...even with a football factory like Webb City. So to expect Grey to go to the semifinals or state every year is probably unrealistic. Sometimes you just don't have the horses even in a great football town
Yes fan expectations are always over the top. For any program. You kinda got to sit back sometimes and look at what you think and see if it’s realistic to expect.
Isn’t that what I’m saying? Lol Lamar isn’t Bailey. Or at least not NOW becuase of the youth program they have built. But they definitely are still good. We have to realize Lamar could have went to the wire with anyone from class 1-4 in 2016. This is a level of play they don’t have the talent to compare with. Lamar will be fine as long as some common sense things happen (numbers and enthusiasm for the game) and kids get on board with a coach. I don’t think that’s as easy as people think. Parents stop good coaches from coaching as well. And of course good hires. I think Webb to my point is a easier thing to continue the course. Lamar is based on what happens.
I don't really remember if Jones was the coach in 02 and 03 but those teams were crazy stacked . That was my Jr and senior season at Webb. 02...we had a shot to beat them but had 7 turnovers and couldn't overcome it ....03... We returned 3 starters and k returned 20. We has zero chance of even keeping the game close let alone beating them. Crazy thing is I still have my scouting report from 03. Kearney had 33 players . 5 years later they had close to 100. Success just breeds success
Lamar falls off if a good coach and program isn’t kept up in a hurry. There’s no jobs in Lamar. And this winning to me is becuase of the numbers, and selfless behavior of the program. That’s all. Not that’s any of this is technically easy for either. Lamar is special right now. But it can stop. I don’t see Webb just being a average team for continuing years. regardless of who’s coaching.
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02-03 was current Odessa HC Mark Thomas. Jones arrived in KTown in 2006.
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