Valle Catholic

[Bill_Shakespeare]

Wait . What?

You seriously cannot be crying about that after you've been doing the same thing to class 1 for decade

Of course I'm not serious. Nobody cares about that population argument you've been pedaling for a decade. I just need to get in here and mix it up a little bit to make it feel like football season.

On that note: The aforementioned juggernaut of Blair Oaks went into Ste Gen and came out with an L that year, while that St. Mary's squad came in and coasted to a win.. I don't think it's out of line or garbage to point out facts

 

[MidMissouri_Football]

You mean the same St. Mary's that lost to Lutheran North that year, and the same Lutheran North that lost to Blair Oaks that year 44-9 in the playoffs. Also the same Blair Oaks team that beat Cardinal Ritter, the same Cardinal Ritter that most people in the Stl area said was the best small school Stl team that year with all their D1 players and stud Luther Burden.

Look you can play the hypothetical all you want, some people do it with Odessa that year as well even though Blair Oaks beat two of same opponents Odessa did, but beat them by more than Odessa. At the end of the year Blair Oaks was the state champs and beat teams that plenty of people said they wouldn't (even many Blair Oaks fans said they wouldn't) as in the Stl all-star teams Lutheran North and Cardinal Ritter. Every time they have played the Stl teams there are always people that say they won't beat them, but since LePage got there in 2018 they haven't lost to them. Now they may lose to Lutheran North tomorrow night, but for goodness sakes, Blair Oaks has won 3 state titles in the last 5 years. They also have the best record of any team in the state in the same 5 years, and also beat several teams they weren't supposed to beat. At some point just give credit where credit is due.

 

[503_Maple]

They were a juggernaught playing the schedule that they had in front of them. For anyone to say that they wouldn't beat or let alone play within 3 tds against a school that folded due to the bug that costed many teams that season is just garbage. Several years ago I would have said the same thing that it would be rough for them to do that but I learned my lesson. LN, St Marys, CR, Lift for life, over the past 6 years have had numerous chances to beat BO both in Wardsville as well in St Louis. It has yet to happen.
Luthernan North (0-3) against BO lately gets the 4th chance tomorrow night. Good Luck.

Why anyone doubts BO especially the past few years is beyond me. I bet they will be in the thick of things this year too.

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

You mean the same St. Mary's that lost to Lutheran North that year, and the same Lutheran North that lost to Blair Oaks that year 44-9 in the playoffs. Also the same Blair Oaks team that beat Cardinal Ritter, the same Cardinal Ritter that most people in the Stl area said was the best small school Stl team that year with all their D1 players and stud Luther Burden.

Look you can play the hypothetical all you want, some people do it with Odessa that year as well even though Blair Oaks beat two of same opponents Odessa did, but beat them by more than Odessa. At the end of the year Blair Oaks was the state champs and beat teams that plenty of people said they wouldn't (even many Blair Oaks fans said they wouldn't) as in the Stl all-star teams Lutheran North and Cardinal Ritter. Every time they have played the Stl teams there are always people that say they won't beat them, but since LePage got there in 2018 they haven't lost to them. Now they may lose to Lutheran North tomorrow night, but for goodness sakes, Blair Oaks has won 3 state titles in the last 5 years. They also have the best record of any team in the state in the same 5 years, and also beat several teams they weren't supposed to beat. At some point just give credit where credit is due.

Are we talking about a 4-4 Ritter team here or are my years mixed up

 

[MidMissouri_Football]

Are we talking about a 4-4 Ritter team here or are my years mixed up

Yeah that was them, stl guys were talking about Cardinal Ritter being the best stl small school team. Of course this was after Lutheran North lost to Blair Oaks. Not sure who truly was the best stl team that year, but I do know that Cardinal Ritter seemed to be better than Lutheran North based on the games I watched, which was against Helias and Blair Oaks.

 

[bman_turbo2000]

Cardinal Ritter's losses were to Jackson Class 5 Champion, Francis howell Class 6, Helias Class 4 Champion, and Blair Oaks Class 3 Champion. I don't know about you but that is pretty darn good SOS. Don't give me that 4-4 garbage.
Their wins that season (all in postseason play) were quite convincing to say the least.

 

[Trim78]

Another trivia question: name one head coach from valle that then went to a public school to coach and won state.

Bob Weiler OC at Ste. Gen. they won class 3 state title in 1992. They beat Boliver 22-15, Bob was the Head coach at Valle and won the 1988 class 1 state title over Rock Port.

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

Cardinal Ritter's losses were to Jackson Class 5 Champion, Francis howell Class 6, Helias Class 4 Champion, and Blair Oaks Class 3 Champion. I don't know about you but that is pretty darn good SOS. Don't give me that 4-4 garbage.
Their wins that season (all in postseason play) were quite convincing to say the least.

In HSFB I’m not sure you can lose a game and still call yourself a juggernaut, so I don’t know how to qualify the rest of these opinions to say the least

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Bob Weiler OC at Ste. Gen. they won class 3 state title in 1992. They beat Boliver 22-15, Bob was the Head coach at Valle and won the 1988 class 1 state title over Rock Port.

Head coach

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Nobody cares about that population argument you've been pedaling for a decade.

Well, just the people that think schools competing for the same championship might actually play by even similar rules. They're the only people that really care.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Bob Weiler OC at Ste. Gen. they won class 3 state title in 1992. They beat Boliver 22-15, Bob was the Head coach at Valle and won the 1988 class 1 state title over Rock Port.

Dude was an offensive genius. But also wasn't the HC at Ste Gen.

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

Well, just the people that think schools competing for the same championship might actually play by even similar rules. They're the only people that really care.

Sounds like you should really be mad at your Superintendents & AD's. They're the ones that have collectively accepted(Over multiple voting opportunities in the last two decades) that these schools actually are playing by similar enough rules to not force them into a Privates only class.

 

[Veer_left]

Ya know i once had a cat that complained a lot.........i unalived it.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Sounds like you should really be mad at your Superintendents & AD's. They're the ones that have collectively accepted(Over multiple voting opportunities in the last two decades) that these schools actually are playing by similar enough rules to not force them into a Privates only class.

They typically fall into the category in your previous post. The majority don't care much about anything except making sure the direct deposit hits and making sure to keep appearances up.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Sounds like you should really be mad at your Superintendents & AD's. They're the ones that have collectively accepted(Over multiple voting opportunities in the last two decades) that these schools actually are playing by similar enough rules to not force them into a Privates only class.

It's starting.
Moving some of them up classes will open some eyes

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

It's starting.
Moving some of them up classes will open some eyes

JMO but moving them up isn't really much of a equalizer. When you have St Marys, LN, Ritter, etc. with that many high level players, it shouldn't really matter if they are class 3 or 5 or whatever. When you have Ronnie Perkins, Kevin Coleman, Zeke Elliot type players, with a few other D1, 1AA, D2 players, it has little effect.

 

[NEMOFball]

JMO but moving them up isn't really much of a equalizer. When you have St Marys, LN, Ritter, etc. with that many high level players, it shouldn't really matter if they are class 3 or 5 or whatever. When you have Ronnie Perkins, Kevin Coleman, Zeke Elliot type players, with a few other D1, 1AA, D2 players, it has little effect.

I think that the championship factor is about as close as we are going to get to equalizing the playing field without splitting them off in their own division. All 3 of the schools you mentioned are now bumped up 2 classes. It will be interesting to see how they fare being bumped up 2 classes. It certainly slowed down Valle's success.

 

[NEMOFball]

I don't think this will happen, but Valle could end up back in the tiny Class 1 in 2026.

If they do not make it to the semifinals or beyond and win 2 or less district championships in the next 3 years, they will be in Class 1 again.

What are the odds?

 

[Cards1968]

I don't think this will happen, but Valle could end up back in the tiny Class 1 in 2026.

If they do not make it to the semifinals or beyond and win 2 or less district championships in the next 3 years, they will be in Class 1 again.

What are the odds?

 

[thetophat2021]

Why anyone doubts BO especially the past few years is beyond me. I bet they will be in the thick of things this year too.

Maryville is extremely good so YES Blair will be a very serious threat to repeat even moving up in class.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

I don't think this will happen, but Valle could end up back in the tiny Class 1 in 2026.

If they do not make it to the semifinals or beyond and win 2 or less district championships in the next 3 years, they will be in Class 1 again.

What are the odds?

Who in their district can beat them?

 

[NEMOFball]

Who in their district can beat them?

Probably no one. But too early to know for sure.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Anybody wondering how Valle does it, stop by their weight room at 8am any weekday in the summer. You would see nearly 100% attendance every day. Even when football season is over and during winter and spring sports, the majority of their kids find the time to get in the weight room. They lift weights "religiously"!!!

For the past 40 years, I have seen how the Valle boys transform their bodies from freshman to senior year. By the time they are seniors, it doesn't matter if they are only 5'8" and 175, they are ripped!!

 

[kaskaskiakid]

BTW Veer. laugh if you want, I live in SG County, I'm a SG public school alum and would have no problem sharing any info about Valle using "undo influence" to get athletes. but there is none.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Hell boys, public school "move ins" who happen to be good athletes are definitely becoming so common you would think MO has a transfer portal. One Mineral Area school in particular seems to be picking up a half dozen boys and girls starting athletes every year from surrounding schools, and have done it again this year.

 

[mugriswold]

Anybody wondering how Valle does it, stop by their weight room at 8am any weekday in the summer. You would see nearly 100% attendance every day.

8 AM start time you better have 100% participation.

 

[Veer_left]

Hell boys, public school "move ins" who happen to be good athletes are definitely becoming so common you would think MO has a transfer portal. One Mineral Area school in particular seems to be picking up a half dozen boys and girls starting athletes every year from surrounding schools, and have done it again this year.

What school dis?

 

[kaskaskiakid]

8 AM start time you better have 100% participation.

Not if your parents don't have much money and many kids work 40 hr a week full time jobs in summer, and many kids that don't have a car or a parent at home to drop them off at 8am and pick them up afterwards.

 

[mugriswold]

Not sure about this past summer but Lamar would start at 4:30 AM because they wanted it over so kids could work summer jobs.

 

[Stag101]

Valle benefits from the upper middle class of Ste. Gen.

Kaskie, I don’t think anybody is saying they don’t work hard. Obviously that’s not the case with any successful program. What everybody is saying is that they get to skim the cream off the top of a very good football community. How many kids attend Valle that would be on free/reduced lunch?

A lot of Ste. Gen grads have been sending their kids to Valle as of late. I have also heard of a good freshmen QB who transferred there this summer? Apparently attended Ste. Gen.’s camp for a few weeks, then transferred down the hill?(unless I was sold a hill of beans)

They are not comparable to the Lutheran North’s of the world, but to think they don’t have an advantage is silly. You mix that in with good coaching and you get what you get.

Park Hills Central is a whole other deal…..

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Valle benefits from the upper middle class of Ste. Gen.

Kaskie, I don’t think anybody is saying they don’t work hard. Obviously that’s not the case with any successful program. What everybody is saying is that they get to skim the cream off the top of a very good football community. How many kids attend Valle that would be on free/reduced lunch?

A lot of Ste. Gen grads have been sending their kids to Valle as of late. I have also heard of a good freshmen QB who transferred there this summer? Apparently attended Ste. Gen.’s camp for a few weeks, then transferred down the hill?(unless I was sold a hill of beans)

They are not comparable to the Lutheran North’s of the world, but to think they don’t have an advantage is silly. You mix that in with good coaching and you get what you get.

Park Hills Central is a whole other deal…..

Agree!! It makes a big difference if all your team comes from a financially stable, two parent home that are involved in their kids lives.

And yes, a lot of SG grads are sending their kids to Valle so they have a better chance to play for a state championship in a smaller class than SG public. I always looked at it like if my kid was a stud, I would want them to face stiffer competition at SG instead of waltzing thru Possum Flats and Doe Run high schools to a state championship every year. But then they couldn't go around pounding their chests with their Big Blue shirts on. That's why I like the new system, it forces schools like Valle to play stiffer competition and see what the SG kids are up against every year.

Another point I want to make - someone posted on this thread that Valle purposely keeps their attendance low so they could play in lower classes. Nothing could be farther from the truth. As you know Stag, Valle will take any student's money they can get.

Miss you on the political board Stag, if you are who I think you are. It's gotten boring without the cult backers!! LOL

 

[Graphic Edge Guy]

Are those names exclusive to Valle? Thanks.

No...but their parents are mostly Valke grads.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

My guess is Valle has the lowest tuition of any private school in the state. I would think if their enrollment gets much lower, they will have a hard time paying the bills.

 

[Stagolee]

Anybody wondering how Valle does it, stop by their weight room at 8am any weekday in the summer. You would see nearly 100% attendance every day. Even when football season is over and during winter and spring sports, the majority of their kids find the time to get in the weight room. They lift weights "religiously"!!!

For the past 40 years, I have seen how the Valle boys transform their bodies from freshman to senior year. By the time they are seniors, it doesn't matter if they are only 5'8" and 175, they are ripped!!

We don't need to lift weights, we buck bales all summer!
Then in the fall get pounded by those cheaters.

 

[panther72]

We don't need to lift weights, we buck bales all summer!
Then in the fall get pounded by those cheaters.

You are about 40 years late. Not many bales to buck anymore.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

8 AM start time you better have 100% participation.

That's what i was thinking. Seems like kids around here all work.

 

[HoopsTournament]

@HoopsTournament might have known the answer as well.

Yeah, he is my uncle.

 

[RawMeat_III]

Bob Weiler OC at Ste. Gen. they won class 3 state title in 1992. They beat Boliver 22-15, Bob was the Head coach at Valle and won the 1988 class 1 state title over Rock Port.

He was a wily one.

 

[Stag101]

Kaski don’t think I’m the one you’re thinking of. I had a name on here years ago, but lost it when they switched platforms.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

OK Stag. I'm under a different name too.

I believe under the new system Valle will settled in at Class 2 eventually. Back when the multiplier was used which didn't move Valle out of Class 1 and Valle was dominating Class 1, most Valle fans I know agreed they should be in Class 2 from a competitive standpoint.

I understand the fact that under the new system it penalizes highly successful programs, but I do think it is the fairest system MSHSAA has used to date. I didn't agree with Valle or anybody else being bumped up 2 classes when the new system went in effect. One bump would have put them in Class 2 and there is good competition for them in Class 2.