Lamar is playing up a class and sometimes two every week in conference play. Did Cassville do that? Or Seneca? Cassville was the Class 3 State Champion. Did they also defeat the Class 4 State Champion in the same year? Did they turbo the State Runnerup team in the next larger class twice in their dominating run? Did Seneca? Both were very good teams and dominated teams their own size and smaller in conference play. But did they dominate teams larger than them? To say that Lamar's run does not compare to those two is a joke.
Undefeated Lamar at Undeafted Cassville.
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Bullitt, I don't think Lamar is too worried about how many "conference" championships they have won. We would be more than glad to win another State Championship while finishing 2nd in the conference. If that means that Lamar is not "dominating", then I think Lamar would be fine with that.
Don’t really think you can fault the smallest team in the conference for not winning the conference before Bailey regime got things rolling. Not to mention there was a class 4 school in Carl who was one of the walls.
Hey I totally agree. You were the one that started complaining.
I would take 7 state titles over any conference championship. But that also says a lot about how tuff our conference is.
Yeah I’m sorry that’s just not true guys
Bullit was there a year in the early 2000’s or late 90’s where 3 big 8 teams made it to the semis or a deep playoff run? Or is my memory wrong. I want to say East Newton, Aurora, and Seneca/CJ?
#1 Seneca beat #1 Webb City in 1994. That’s a 2 class swing, so yes they did. He’s not insulting Lamar they are an amazing dynasty but it’s insulting to put them on the same level as Hodges Seneca teams. Lamar is on there way to being that but you just can’t forget history.
I bet Coach Hodge wouldn't find Lamar to be insulting company!
You fellas are sounding a little Uncle Rico.
You fellas are sounding a little Uncle Rico.
From the Mid 70’s to the early 2000’s they won 4 and I believe went to 6 or 7 championship games and too many semi final games to count. I’m not exactly sure but I believe those are the numbers. Most of those in class 3.
I without a doubt put them above Cassvilles run, a huge reason they ripped off those titles was because Harrisonville moved up to class 4. But if you aren’t victims of the moment and know your history then I’d say Lamar has just a little further they need to go to be the outright Big 8 king of all time or whatever you guys are fighting for. Bullit I give you immense respect for keeping history alive.
I can tell you this though, Lamar had a winless season 10 or 11 years ago. Go thirty years + dominating or always being in the picture for a conference championship and a deep playoff run and they will be talked about for years and years and years.
And for the record I believe Lamar’s win over the Trinity team stacked with D1 players is the greatest win in the history of the Big 8. But you guys are kind of Uncle Ricoing your own legacy and starting to sound like the Debbie’s. Pretty sure your shit still stinks. The Big 8 has an incredible history and the people who care about that are going to tell it how it is. You don’t see Bullit telling everyone Monetts state winning team is this or that. Yeah Lamar is an incredible dynasty but they don’t erase history.
Again I am not trying to down play anything Lamar has done, 7 straight class 2 titles is incredible. But the big 8 has a proud history and during that run 2 other teams beat Lamar to win the conference that is cold hard facts. But I also believe the Big 8 has made Lamar as good as they are, steel sharpens steel.
How this started out is a guy came on here and said cAssville is going to have a hard time beating Lamar because just like Webb, Lamar has been dominating the conference opponents for ever, so they are in their head and all I said was during this run that is just not true as other teams have won the conference. Lamar has had a great run of state titles, but they have not been as dominating in the big 8 as Webb was in the old Big 6/SWC and now the COC. To put in perspective for you, Webb at one time won their conference championship 17 years in a row, from 1999-2015. So yeah if Lamar had won the conference 7 times, I think it might be in some peoples heads. Lamar wins the title again this year then next year all those in high school will have never seen anybody but Lamar win the conference while they were in High school, and I think that will start to get into kids heads because of their perception of time.
I can tell you there was one of those Seneca teams, don't remember the year, But if I remember correctly not one conference opponent scored a point against them, not even the JV they turbo-ed everybody. I think for the regular season they maybe gave up 6 points. That was by far the best team I have ever seen play, and it seems the Big 8 was far more balanced back then, not as many teams down as there is now. Trying to remember if that is the team that beat Webb City 21-0 in the regular season, maybe a Seneca fan can say? But I am older and my memory fails me at times and years run together. I still remember Bailey and Roderique playing back when I was in school.
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Seems to be, I wish I had kept more scores from those years. I use to have newspaper clippings and then some web pages bookmarked that had that stuff. But those web pages went away and my wife did a spring cleaning a few years ago and got rid of my newspaper clippings, so alot of my history I had been keeping is gone and I just have not had time to go out and research it again.
30 year and something window, compared to a 7 year window? That’s something completely different no? I think YOU are downplaying Lamar to be brutually honest. That’s a longer window of at least solid football. But fails in compression. Not to mention to turn around Lamar’s dreadful program into what it is today. Please. Senaca has kept a solid program for years now. But the more impressive feat is Lamar’s. I’m not downplaying Senaca’s accomplishments. Just sayin in comparasion it’s quite different. That’s something they got Lamar doesn’t. But the end results of season Lamar has a noticeable edge. 7-4
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Seneca beat Webb 21-15 the first game of the 1995 season. Webb went 6-3 and didn't make the playoffs that year
Not at all. Just a realist. And these comparasions are not the same. And if we are going to judge success. This 7 year window is more impressive than winning 4 times in a 30 something year window.
What Lamar is doing right now again is incredible and something as a Lamar fan you should be very proud of, I truly wish it was something Monett could do it, but we just don't have all the pieces in place yet to make that sort of run.
Lamar wins the conference this year then they will have tied the longest streak and me personally I think this will go down as one of the greatest runs in the conference. But again I only said what I did based on the cold hard facts. The Big 8 is not a one team conference "yet" and I hope it never becomes that, because who would want that, is that any fun to see that? Take the COC that conference race was basically over before it ever gets started, so what fun was that. Everybody knows Webb was going to win it, they were just wonder who was going to play them the closes. And to be honest I think the COC race for next several years is over, you look at that conference and Webb is always the clear winner you might have a few surprises but the cold hard facts is every year it is Webb's conference to win, there is no fun in that unless you are a Cardinal fan. Even the Cardinal fans are disappointed if they don't put the running clock on the other teams, it is almost expected each week now.
I respect Lamar. I’m a Cassville fan. I just dont show loyalty to the point of not seeing what I think is going to happen. I just don’t think Lamar has forgotten the past. They respect every opportunity and opponent they play. They don’t expect to turbo everyone.
You must be a young fan then? And you confuse me, so you believe Lamar has not forgotten the past yet cAssville has? Trying to just sort out what you are trying to state.
I take your previous comment to be comparing Webb and Lamar. And what you precieve as Webb taking opponents lightly and Lamar does the same. No. I’m a older fan sir.
No sir I am not saying that at all, I don't think teams or coaches take anybody lightly. My comments are more directed at the fans and our perception. Papa T is the one that got bent out of shape by my comments of not crowning Lamar yet as the greatest team ever in the Big 8, and I sort of take it you are that way. Don't you remember watching those teams in the early 70's and 80's and just having fun not knowing who was going to win!!
So as a fan you would have to admit seeing other teams compete for the conference title makes the race just that much more exciting and fun, then having a clear winner already. That is what is making the Lamar Cassville game so much fun, we as fans are predicting the winner but I don't think there is a clear favorite. But maybe you do from the sounds of it you believe cAssville might as well not show up as Lamar is just that much better?
7 titles in a row. And a win streak of not losing a conference game in 3 years if they win tomorrow? Justifies it to me in a way. We don’t have to agree. It’s the most stand out thing from a small school in a bigger school conference I’ve seen. I don’t think either of us are wrong per say. I doubt we will ever see a winning streak and champion streak like this from this conference ever. Besides Bailey’s tigers
No I agree their size and what they have done is incredible. I mean Lamar had no industry they are losing population and students each year so how they have been able to accomplish is impressive.
But back in the 90's Seneca was the same way, smaller school, Heck even back then Lamar was larger than Seneca, they were in class 3 while Seneca was flipping between class 2 and 3.
Be interesting for sure, I just hope for all the fans it is a great game. Be a huge let down if one team runs away with it. Never know with high school kids what will happen in a high school game.
Cassville beat Lamar hands down both times. However in 2012, it was a week 3 game. During week 2 Lamar had several players get hurt in a rainy game against Seneca and Dan Scheible in Lamar. When Lamar and Cassville played, Lamar was playing without several starters.
Im not taking anything away from Cassville, because they have always been a class program under coaches Gosch, Large and Parnell and even Wells.
Say whatever you want. These are 2 very good teams. They are both far and away the best teams in the Big 8. I havent seen any other Big 8 team that could give either one of them a game. Wish I could make it to Cassville to watch.
Since we’re on the history bug I’m pretty sure East Newton had a dynasty level program in the late 90’s and early 00’s that was the smallest team in the conference and also won state I believe
Wasn't it something about a trick play that wasn't a trick play called the DIVE and a very well executed offense that some people accused of being a trick play offense that wasn't.
Haha I think they call it the Wing T
No state thought, they made it to the final 4 in 2001 with a sophomore quarterback. Quarters on 02 if I remember right.
Lawson drubbed EN in 07 on its way to their State Title.
Sure. Had some good teams. I don’t think a dynasty is a dynasty without accomplishing the goal. Lamar has to this point.
2015 Lamar - 38-6. .... 2016 Lamar 50-0, .... 2017 Lamar 28-0 (116-6) That is a lot to get over mentally.
2019 ??? . . I can see Lamar by 2 plus TD's. Most teams have tendencies, Veer, counter, passing, something where both teams coaches know what is coming but can you stop it. Rarely, but sometimes to attack a tendency one must get in bad positioning elsewhere. for example vs a Run heavy team you add a guy in the box, (opposite vs a passing team that does not run well-these do exist in some parts ;-) teams that can also pass then win. Teams that can not then get defeated. One of the beauties of Lamar's Off. (or nightmares) is that they are essentially NINE wide. you match that width then you are either "thin" with LB's DB's or only have 2 layers (6-5 or 7-4) to your Defense. If you maintain Layers (4-3-4, 4-4-3) Then you easily get outflanked. The teams that have played with Lamar had either; 1. awesome D line (or cut like crazy) Or 2. they had enough speed to not get outflanked. Does Cassville have both the horses up front and the speed ?
2019 ??? . . I can see Lamar by 2 plus TD's. Most teams have tendencies, Veer, counter, passing, something where both teams coaches know what is coming but can you stop it. Rarely, but sometimes to attack a tendency one must get in bad positioning elsewhere. for example vs a Run heavy team you add a guy in the box, (opposite vs a passing team that does not run well-these do exist in some parts ;-) teams that can also pass then win. Teams that can not then get defeated. One of the beauties of Lamar's Off. (or nightmares) is that they are essentially NINE wide. you match that width then you are either "thin" with LB's DB's or only have 2 layers (6-5 or 7-4) to your Defense. If you maintain Layers (4-3-4, 4-4-3) Then you easily get outflanked. The teams that have played with Lamar had either; 1. awesome D line (or cut like crazy) Or 2. they had enough speed to not get outflanked. Does Cassville have both the horses up front and the speed ?
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