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[bullitpdq68]

I'm not saying what we did was Just or Right, but we conquered the Native Americans. Just like Rome Conquered half the known world etc. etc. And my Great Grandma Came off a Okie reservation. And my Grandma First Husband was a Native American. I told them the same darn thing. They couldn't really say much cause it was truth.

And No Conquered people is ever going to like those who where victories. I don't know how being upfront and saying we simply conquered them and took from them what we wanted is White Washing anything. In fact it's brutally honest. We didn't do it to bring civilization to the savages which was the BS white washing of that time...we did it because we needed land and resources and a lot of money was to be made. And that was pretty much what I was taught in High school and college

And as I said I am 100% for making sure Native Americans are getting what was promised to them through their deals with the Federal and State gov. But not reparations.

First nobody is asking for reparations besides you and your girlfriend with your demand for $100,000 and a mule so first take a long hard look in the mirror before you go projecting onto anybody else....Mine is more about the history of it.

However you want to talk conquered people then well unfortunately many of those enslaved were conquered and enslaved by thier own people and sold to the Portuguese as a form of trade.. So going by what you said and your thought process about conquered people... Sorry you too don't deserve $100,000 wouldn't you say?

Second many Native Americans fought side by side with the colonist because treaties were signed. However later they would then be forced off the land they were given because of those treaties and such, how many times you hear white man speak with forked tongue.....which really is a stretch of the word given...how can you give something to somebody who already owned it? If it wasn't for the native's helping early settlers America might not have even been here, but what did they get for helping?

And yes as for talking white history let's look at thanksgiving....the truth is far from what is taught in the history books today. And that is just one example. The white man in me wants it to be the truth It is how I hoped we would have treated the Native Americans...however the Native American in me who has studied history knows it is white washed...Honestly it is a hard thing for me to think about. So yeah I do understand also why descendants of slaves might also think long and hard about what is taught in our history books...

Many Native Americans are still stuck on reservations...while I am never going to pretend to know what the answer is and that I know it all (like you WINK WINK) I don't know that reparations' is the answer either? I look at myself my grandmother decided to leave the reservation...I don't know what drove her to that decision love family or a desire to better herself.. but because she did I am where I am today not facing the same fate as those of my family who didn't? But I am also not saying they are not happy...Our nation is different than others.

I know we cannot dwell on our past but we also cannot forget it...what that means I don't know....But I do believe to many are stuck in the past be it the way it is taught to the way we honor it...

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I have proof my ancestors arrived in 1840 and never owned slaves. Why should I pay anybody anything????????/

 

[bullitpdq68]

I have proof my ancestors were already here.... And then I also have proof some of my others fought in the revolutionary war....the indian wars and so on. We all have a complicated history...if we take a deep dive into it.

To say our ancestors never did this or that is an estimated guess. I worry more about myself today and how I treat others and how I am raising my kids to respect others. I also don't believe in this cancel culture, people digging up pictures of somebody who might have participated in some pageantry back as a teenager doesn't define who that person might be today. We all learn everyday and hopefully become a better person because of that.

I find myself ever evolving and growing I am not the same person I was last year and I sure am not the same I was 15 to 20 years ago. I hope everyday to become a better person. That is all I can do.

 

[3Rfan]

If you want some $$ just prove you are a descendent of a American Slave. Sure some people will want the cash and not get it. And yes you will never satisfy everyone and someone will feel cheated. But less so than now.

Of course the best case scenario would be for everyone to be a adult and look at this logically and say nobody alive today was a slave, and nobody alive today owned a slave. And in truth almost all the wealth accumulated from the Old South was Carpetbagged and redistributed to White Yankee's.

But in this day and age we seem to have to satisfy every emotional burr, and again a promise was made. And it was broken big time....

As far as the amount well the estimate is between 640 billion for the 40 acres and mule to 16.4 trillion if you are going with lost wages etc. model. There are some variables to be worked out. Depends on how many of the 42 million Blacks in America are descendants of slaves as well. Good records where kept. They rated slaves Al Prime hand and then reduced down one quarter scale...Slaves where gifted, mortgaged, deeded and sold. Itemized and insured the way people manage assets today. I've read anywhere from 13 million to a little over 25 million of blacks today in America are descendants of slaves. Some of the leaders want payment for all because they say it's not fair that those blacks who came after and also endured systemic racism.

I would not be for payment to non-descendants of slaves. Those who came after came voluntarily. And never endured slavery. Many ethnic groups from the Irish to the Jews of endured bigotry and systemic hardships in the past.... so nope you can't pay everyone for every injustices.

And you say there is plenty of moony to do all that? Dems and pubs can't even agree on a 1 or 2 trillion dollar infrastructure deal.

 

[MGHS]

First nobody is asking for reparations besides you and your girlfriend with your demand for $100,000 and a mule so first take a long hard look in the mirror before you go projecting onto anybody else....Mine is more about the history of it.

However you want to talk conquered people then well unfortunately many of those enslaved were conquered and enslaved by thier own people and sold to the Portuguese as a form of trade.. So going by what you said and your thought process about conquered people... Sorry you too don't deserve $100,000 wouldn't you say?

Second many Native Americans fought side by side with the colonist because treaties were signed. However later they would then be forced off the land they were given because of those treaties and such, how many times you hear white man speak with forked tongue.....which really is a stretch of the word given...how can you give something to somebody who already owned it? If it wasn't for the native's helping early settlers America might not have even been here, but what did they get for helping?

And yes as for talking white history let's look at thanksgiving....the truth is far from what is taught in the history books today. And that is just one example. The white man in me wants it to be the truth It is how I hoped we would have treated the Native Americans...however the Native American in me who has studied history knows it is white washed...Honestly it is a hard thing for me to think about. So yeah I do understand also why descendants of slaves might also think long and hard about what is taught in our history books...

Many Native Americans are still stuck on reservations...while I am never going to pretend to know what the answer is and that I know it all (like you WINK WINK) I don't know that reparations' is the answer either? I look at myself my grandmother decided to leave the reservation...I don't know what drove her to that decision love family or a desire to better herself.. but because she did I am where I am today not facing the same fate as those of my family who didn't? But I am also not saying they are not happy...Our nation is different than others.

I know we cannot dwell on our past but we also cannot forget it...what that means I don't know....But I do believe to many are stuck in the past be it the way it is taught to the way we honor it...

First off the Thing about reparations for my GF was a Joke...she is against it. And she thinks it's beyond the stupid.
Second if you don't realize a lot of people and organizations are for reparations then you are not looking hard enough. And I'm not even going to paste the MSM articles in this regard......And clearly you did not understand what I wrote I clearly said I wish we where all adults and this wasn't a issue....But it is. So let's pay it off and be done with it. And I mean done with it. The payment is made so now the whining, crying will fall on death ears and the White Guilt is over. To me that is worth the payment....to you I guess not.

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And as far as the Native Americans go....nobody really cares, sorry they don't, and I'm not sure why but I have my theories. White people don't care and other Minorities don't. Almost Every white person I know claims some Indian Heritage or blood. So they all feel they are in the club. But in reality nothing is ever going to be done other than the occasional virtue signaling. No Tomahawk chop, no Wash. Redskins and No Cleveland Indians.

But in the current climate I think payments are coming....the issue is will it be on going.....which I 100% am against. It needs to be a one and done. It's over.

 

[MGHS]

And you say there is plenty of moony to do all that? Dems and pubs can't even agree on a 1 or 2 trillion dollar infrastructure deal.

They can find the money.....you've seen the Pork they spend money on. That clearly isn't a issue.

 

[3Rfan]

They can find the money.....you've seen the Pork they spend money on. That clearly isn't a issue.

Yes and they could 'find' the money to fix roadsand bridges along with water and sewer lines and make sure everybody has access to a decent internet service. That should have become clear to everyone during the work or go to school from home era of the pandemic. You're talking about many trillions off dollars to give to people that didn't experience ANY issues with slavery and others were not around for any massacres. Biden asked for a couple of trillion and you don't want that to happen. I'll bet they could come up with that right out of some of the goofy stuff they want to do in the space program. Somehow you haven't noticed our debt and deficit has doubled a few times lately and the bigger it is the harder it is to double the last one.

 

[bullitpdq68]

First off the Thing about reparations for my GF was a Joke...she is against it. And she thinks it's beyond the stupid.
Second if you don't realize a lot of people and organizations are for reparations then you are not looking hard enough. And I'm not even going to paste the MSM articles in this regard......And clearly you did not understand what I wrote I clearly said I wish we where all adults and this wasn't a issue....But it is. So let's pay it off and be done with it. And I mean done with it. The payment is made so now the whining, crying will fall on death ears and the White Guilt is over. To me that is worth the payment....to you I guess not.

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And as far as the Native Americans go....nobody really cares, sorry they don't, and I'm not sure why but I have my theories. White people don't care and other Minorities don't. Almost Every white person I know claims some Indian Heritage or blood. So they all feel they are in the club. But in reality nothing is ever going to be done other than the occasional virtue signaling. No Tomahawk chop, no Wash. Redskins and No Cleveland Indians.

But in the current climate I think payments are coming....the issue is will it be on going.....which I 100% am against. It needs to be a one and done. It's over.

You want to know why Native Americans are not considered a minority....The truth is there is not enough left that can make a difference... we cannot change the outcome of an election we cannot band together enough to make the political stage and honestly if you cannot change the outcome of an election help somebody get voted in, or voted out nobody cares and nobody is going to care about your issues!!! That is a true sign of a minority!!!!! Honestly that is why Dems pander to minorities they want the votes but they don't offer any long term solutions. It is all about votes. Native Americans don't offer enough of that to make a political party care about our issues.... That is the truth!! We are the true minority!!

If Native Americans could change the outcome of an election say even a presidential election more would be done I promise you!!!....The issue is we are such a minority that politicians don't cater or pander to us they don't care about the issues that plague the native Americans.

That is a true sign of a minority population is when your numbers are so small nobody cares what you think.

As for reparations, no I don't think that is the long term answer, it is a short term answer it is a right now. We need solutions that will help future Generation change lives for the better. I believe you start with education, and build from there. It can be in the form of college or even trades.

 

[MGHS]

Yes and they could 'find' the money to fix roadsand bridges along with water and sewer lines and make sure everybody has access to a decent internet service. That should have become clear to everyone during the work or go to school from home era of the pandemic. You're talking about many trillions off dollars to give to people that didn't experience ANY issues with slavery and others were not around for any massacres. Biden asked for a couple of trillion and you don't want that to happen. I'll bet they could come up with that right out of some of the goofy stuff they want to do in the space program. Somehow you haven't noticed our debt and deficit has doubled a few times lately and the bigger it is the harder it is to double the last one.

LOL yes I noticed the debt and deficit and NOBODY in Wash. on either side gives a darn. All the knuckle heads in Wash. want to do is Spend and Spend some more. It just is a matter of if you agree with what they are spending it on at this point a Balanced budget and debt reduction is never ever going to happen.

And yes I'd rather see the money go to fixing the infrastructure than reparations. But they always layer those bills with a lot of Pork almost as much as shovel ready job money. Just cover stories to bait and switch the public. So if we can maybe do a bit of racial healing and forever be rid of the issue of Slavery and Systemic racism I'd gladly be in favor of paying the money.

 

[MGHS]

You want to know why Native Americans are not considered a minority....The truth is there is not enough left that can make a difference... we cannot change the outcome of an election we cannot band together enough to make the political stage and honestly if you cannot change the outcome of an election help somebody get voted in, or voted out nobody cares and nobody is going to care about your issues!!! That is a true sign of a minority!!!!! Honestly that is why Dems pander to minorities they want the votes but they don't offer any long term solutions. It is all about votes. Native Americans don't offer enough of that to make a political party care about our issues.... That is the truth!! We are the true minority!!

If Native Americans could change the outcome of an election say even a presidential election more would be done I promise you!!!....The issue is we are such a minority that politicians don't cater or pander to us they don't care about the issues that plague the native Americans.

That is a true sign of a minority population is when your numbers are so small nobody cares what you think.

As for reparations, no I don't think that is the long term answer, it is a short term answer it is a right now. We need solutions that will help future Generation change lives for the better. I believe you start with education, and build from there. It can be in the form of college or even trades.

100% agree on the analysis of Native Americans you don't matter to D.C. because your to small of a group. I watched a Documentary on PBS years ago early 2000's if I recall on how Native Americans where getting ripped on Mineral/Oil Rights. Disgusting situation and two tribes put together a couple of hundred thousand dollars to get a meet and greet with Politicians in Wash. specifically Pres. Clinton. They got to glad hand them with photos and such but nothing was done at all, so the Tribes contacted them again about the situation and the answer from the aids was they needed another meeting and more money to make it happen.

That soured me on Clinton forever even more so than him lying under oath. I figured out right there that Native Americans had zero power. But they sure took the money that both tribes and their people had scraped together and then ignored how they where getting cheated. I'm 100% for a massive audit of all the rights and payment that all tribes have not received from Big Oil etc. and making them pay with interest. And jailing all those involved including the Politicians who have turned their heads for years over this issue.

As far as reparations again I am only for it to end all the BS about how the descendants of slaves have been robbed and cheated because of slavery. Make the payment and then it's over. There cries and whines shall now fall on deaf ears.

As far as future Generations go it is really technology that has made peoples lives better today and in the future it will as well and very few people have the intellect for science and math that is just how it breaks down. I mean Everyone and their dog goes to college now so that is pretty much covered. Access to education is easier now than ever before. So if you don't want to get education or go into the trades to get a job that is basically a character fault of that individual. The ways and means are not that complicated to be employed.

 

[3Rfan]

LOL yes I noticed the debt and deficit and NOBODY in Wash. on either side gives a darn. All the knuckle heads in Wash. want to do is Spend and Spend some more. It just is a matter of if you agree with what they are spending it on at this point a Balanced budget and debt reduction is never ever going to happen.

And yes I'd rather see the money go to fixing the infrastructure than reparations. But they always layer those bills with a lot of Pork almost as much as shovel ready job money. Just cover stories to bait and switch the public. So if we can maybe do a bit of racial healing and forever be rid of the issue of Slavery and Systemic racism I'd gladly be in favor of paying the money.

There would be so much fighting over who gets it and how much they get it wouldn't heal a damn thing!

 

[MGHS]

There would be so much fightin over gets it and how much they get it wouldn't heal a damn thing!

You could be right but why not try? You seem to have a huge issue with making the payments which makes little sense when you factor in all the waste the Gov. hands out to people who clearly don't deserve a cent.

 

[3Rfan]

You could be right but why not try? You seem to have a huge issue with making the payments which makes little sense when you factor in all the waste the Gov. hands out to people who clearly don't deserve a cent.

So you want to waste even more? I thought you are supposed to be a conservative, sounds to me like you don't give a rip about spending more money for something that ain't gonna fix ANYTHING in this country. At least the spending I think should be done would fix some stuff that is long overdue to be fixed. If someone can tell me who gets the reparations, how much they get and why they deserve it I might change my mind, but I doubt it. This would be right up there with all the goofy space stuff we're trying to do but at least the space program creates some good paying jobs. How many jobs will reparations create for anyone?

 

[MoSooner69]

I grew up in Oklahoma... It was taught as part of Oklahoma History as a freshman

 

[MGHS]

So you want to waste even more? I thought you are supposed to be a conservative, sounds to me like you don't give a rip about spending more money for something that ain't gonna fix ANYTHING in this country. At least the spending I think should be done would fix some stuff that is long overdue to be fixed. If someone can tell me who gets the reparations, how much they get and why they deserve it I might change my mind, but I doubt it. This would be right up there with all the goofy space stuff we're trying to do but at least the space program creates some good paying jobs. How many jobs will reparations create for anyone?

I want to reallocate the waste from ignorant Pork Projects to something that might actually have a chance at working and helping. Finding out if a Bird on Cocaine is more horney than one that's not is a bigger waste in my opinion than reparations.

I never said I was a conservative in all aspects...... I've been upfront I'm 100% for gay rights and marriage. I am fine with Abortion, and I don't give two cents for the Moral Majority. I support the Constitution 100% is my stance. And as far as the Budget goes sure I'd like to balance it and cut the deficit. But that horse is out of the Barn and Long gone. The only way to get re-elected is promise more Shat to the masses.

And if we are gonna waste money on a bunch of stuff well let's at least waste it on something that as a chance of making a difference. I'm all for cutting all the waste going to the lazy and irresponsible who do nothing to deserve it other than exist and society never recoups any benefit from . I'd be shutting down the DEA and ATF 100%. I'd 100% be for gutting the EPA and The Dept. of Education as well. But we will continue to create more Dept. and More control and take more money to fund all of it. So at this point until the collapse I see no way the budget is ever reduced or balanced.

 

[3Rfan]

I want to reallocate the waste from ignorant Pork Projects to something that might actually have a chance at working and helping. Finding out if a Bird on Cocaine is more horney than one that's not is a bigger waste in my opinion than reparations.

I never said I was a conservative in all aspects...... I've been upfront I'm 100% for gay rights and marriage. I am fine with Abortion, and I don't give two cents for the Moral Majority. I support the Constitution 100% is my stance. And as far as the Budget goes sure I'd like to balance it and cut the deficit. But that horse is out of the Barn and Long gone. The only way to get re-elected is promise more Shat to the masses.

And if we are gonna waste money on a bunch of stuff well let's at least waste it on something that as a chance of making a difference. I'm all for cutting all the waste going to the lazy and irresponsible who do nothing to deserve it other than exist and society never recoups any benefit from . I'd be shutting down the DEA and ATF 100%. I'd 100% be for gutting the EPA and The Dept. of Education as well. But we will continue to create more Dept. and More control and take more money to fund all of it. So at this point until the collapse I see no way the budget is ever reduced or balanced.

WOW you are one over the top kinda guy!

 

[bullitpdq68]

I want to reallocate the waste from ignorant Pork Projects to something that might actually have a chance at working and helping. Finding out if a Bird on Cocaine is more horney than one that's not is a bigger waste in my opinion than reparations.

I never said I was a conservative in all aspects...... I've been upfront I'm 100% for gay rights and marriage. I am fine with Abortion, and I don't give two cents for the Moral Majority. I support the Constitution 100% is my stance. And as far as the Budget goes sure I'd like to balance it and cut the deficit. But that horse is out of the Barn and Long gone. The only way to get re-elected is promise more Shat to the masses.

And if we are gonna waste money on a bunch of stuff well let's at least waste it on something that as a chance of making a difference. I'm all for cutting all the waste going to the lazy and irresponsible who do nothing to deserve it other than exist and society never recoups any benefit from . I'd be shutting down the DEA and ATF 100%. I'd 100% be for gutting the EPA and The Dept. of Education as well. But we will continue to create more Dept. and More control and take more money to fund all of it. So at this point until the collapse I see no way the budget is ever reduced or balanced.

Conservatives.....you my friend are probable more conservative in some respects than others. while I don't necessarily agree with everything you type..... It always makes me chuckle when I hear supposedly conservatives speak...
Today conservatives are more totalitarian than conservative, you must believe my way or you are totally against me or basically Trump!! Who is thier golden Idol... Put no man before God is what the bible teaches us and yet almost every Christian Conservative has done just that!
Use to be a time conservatives actually stood for law and order now they just stand for Trump....Remember all the conservatives who use to be on this board who bemoaned BLM and the riots...and then Trump gave the orders to march on the capital and officers were killed and they all have gone silent... because to speak against the riots is to speak against thier Golden idol....

 

[HomeyR]

Conservatives.....you my friend are probable more conservative in some respects than others. while I don't necessarily agree with everything you type..... It always makes me chuckle when I hear supposedly conservatives speak...
Today conservatives are more totalitarian than conservative, you must believe my way or you are totally against me or basically Trump!! Who is thier golden Idol... Put no man before God is what the bible teaches us and yet almost every Christian Conservative has done just that!
Use to be a time conservatives actually stood for law and order now they just stand for Trump....Remember all the conservatives who use to be on this board who bemoaned BLM and the riots...and then Trump gave the orders to march on the capital and officers were killed and they all have gone silent... because to speak against the riots is to speak against thier Golden idol....

Outstanding !!!

 

[MGHS]

Conservatives.....you my friend are probable more conservative in some respects than others. while I don't necessarily agree with everything you type..... It always makes me chuckle when I hear supposedly conservatives speak...
Today conservatives are more totalitarian than conservative, you must believe my way or you are totally against me or basically Trump!! Who is thier golden Idol... Put no man before God is what the bible teaches us and yet almost every Christian Conservative has done just that!
Use to be a time conservatives actually stood for law and order now they just stand for Trump....Remember all the conservatives who use to be on this board who bemoaned BLM and the riots...and then Trump gave the orders to march on the capital and officers were killed and they all have gone silent... because to speak against the riots is to speak against thier Golden idol....

Again I have some conservative Ideals. I didn't say I didn't but I have some progressive Ideals as well. Clearly paying reparations is pretty progressive to a lot of the so=called progressives on this board. As I said I'm fine with Abortion...Progressive, 100% for gay marriage progressive. Transgender away is my Motto Progressive. I'd even make Weed Legal and a few other Drugs...Progressive. I'd legalize Prostitution...Progressive. I have no problem with Raising the Taxes on the Rich...progressive.

Trumps phrase that they are contributing to the riot was"We fight like Hell.And if you don't fight like Hell.Where not going to have a country anymore! Trump also Said " I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capital building to PEACEFULLY and PATROTICALLY make your voices heard".

Let's not even begin to compare the BLM riots and siege of federal property for weeks on end to a few Crazy zealots who do what zealots do. They should get what they get simple as that. And it appears that they are being punished for rushing the capital.
And I again I think you are trying to paint Conservatives as the Moral Majority and A lot of Conservatives are not in the least bit part of the hardcore Christian movement.

And how are conservatives Totalitarian? What rights are they trying to take away? I know the Dem's want to take away and infringe on the Right to own guns....I know Dem's are cool with Big Tech hampering Freedom of expression from conservatives. Many Dem's supported Defunding the Police thus removing the Right to Protection. I'm trying to figure out what the Rep. are trying to take away?

 

[3Rfan]

Again I have some conservative Ideals. I didn't say I didn't but I have some progressive Ideals as well. Clearly paying reparations is pretty progressive to a lot of the so=called progressives on this board. As I said I'm fine with Abortion...Progressive, 100% for gay marriage progressive. Transgender away is my Motto Progressive. I'd even make Weed Legal and a few other Drugs...Progressive. I'd legalize Prostitution...Progressive. I have no problem with Raising the Taxes on the Rich...progressive.

Trumps phrase that they are contributing to the riot was"We fight like Hell.And if you don't fight like Hell.Where not going to have a country anymore! Trump also Said " I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capital building to PEACEFULLY and PATROTICALLY make your voices heard".

Let's not even begin to compare the BLM riots and siege of federal property for weeks on end to a few Crazy zealots who do what zealots do. They should get what they get simple as that. And it appears that they are being punished for rushing the capital.
And I again I think you are trying to paint Conservatives as the Moral Majority and A lot of Conservatives are not in the least bit part of the hardcore Christian movement.

And how are conservatives Totalitarian? What rights are they trying to take away? I know the Dem's want to take away and infringe on the Right to own guns....I know Dem's are cool with Big Tech hampering Freedom of expression from conservatives. Many Dem's supported Defunding the Police thus removing the Right to Protection. I'm trying to figure out what the Rep. are trying to take away?

Apparently no one understands the call to "defund' the police. It's not about taking all the funding away from police departments, it's about getting some of that money to alternative ways to fight crime. I'm not sure that is the right way to go but they are NOT saying shut down all the police departments and something has to change. Too may people are getting killed by law enforcement when the crime does not require that kind of punishment. We have no idea how much this has happened over the years before body cams and cell phone videos.

 

[MGHS]

Yes we get that defunding the Police is about shifting funds to Social Workers and BS Counselors. Sure that's how to fight violent crimes insert eye roll and LOL...and nope to many people are not being killed. About a 1,000 people a year are killed by LEO.....out of 300 million plus citizens. You do the math. Around 8-20 unarmed black men are killed depending on who's data you believe so nope the Police are not running around killing Unarmed Black Men either. This is a Media Propaganda issue to work people up into a lather.

We need more Police and More patrolling period. I laugh at how progressive Leftist think that Counseling and Social outreach will work on the Criminal Culture in America. If they want to fix the issue then fix poverty by actually changing the Drug and Thug Culture in Trailer Parks and Ghetto's. It's hard to get out of that Lifestyle once you have been indoctrinated into the belief system. After the fact most Criminals just manipulate all the Progressive BS outreach to try and get something or work the system. The Criminals laugh and Scoff at the efforts of the Grandma's and Momma's trying to save the surly innocent and put upon Criminals oppressed by the system. In some ways it comical that people are that naive....

Also sort of funny that after all these communities pulled LEO resources and passed guidelines that hamstrung the police that Violent Crimes spiked massively in the past 18 months.....and Now the real laughable part is that Biden and His handlers are now putting more police on the Streets using Covid relief money to pay for it. Nothing like creating a problem that wasn't there and then paying for it with taxpayer money.

Biden is also sending in a Sham worthless Task forces to 5 big cities NY,CHI,LA,SF,&DC....all Leftist towns with hardcore gun control laws which make it impossible to get a handgun legally in most cases. He is trying to stem the gun violence...why because gun control efforts and lame laws don't effect the criminal element something that most Normal people understand. Clearly Biden and the Left don't get it and probably never will which is sad.

 

[3Rfan]

Yes we get that defunding the Police is about shifting funds to Social Workers and BS Counselors. Sure that's how to fight violent crimes insert eye roll and LOL...and nope to many people are not being killed. About a 1,000 people a year are killed by LEO.....out of 300 million plus citizens. You do the math. Around 8-20 unarmed black men are killed depending on who's data you believe so nope the Police are not running around killing Unarmed Black Men either. This is a Media Propaganda issue to work people up into a lather.

We need more Police and More patrolling period. I laugh at how progressive Leftist think that Counseling and Social outreach will work on the Criminal Culture in America. If they want to fix the issue then fix poverty by actually changing the Drug and Thug Culture in Trailer Parks and Ghetto's. It's hard to get out of that Lifestyle once you have been indoctrinated into the belief system. After the fact most Criminals just manipulate all the Progressive BS outreach to try and get something or work the system. The Criminals laugh and Scoff at the efforts of the Grandma's and Momma's trying to save the surly innocent and put upon Criminals oppressed by the system. In some ways it comical that people are that naive....

Also sort of funny that after all these communities pulled LEO resources and passed guidelines that hamstrung the police that Violent Crimes spiked massively in the past 18 months.....and Now the real laughable part is that Biden and His handlers are now putting more police on the Streets using Covid relief money to pay for it. Nothing like creating a problem that wasn't there and then paying for it with taxpayer money.

Biden is also sending in a Sham worthless Task forces to 5 big cities NY,CHI,LA,SF,&DC....all Leftist towns with hardcore gun control laws which make it impossible to get a handgun legally in most cases. He is trying to stem the gun violence...why because gun control efforts and lame laws don't effect the criminal element something that most Normal people understand. Clearly Biden and the Left don't get it and probably never will which is sad.

What police department in any city, county or state is NOT paid for with tax payer money? 🤔

 

[revno]

I grew up in Oklahoma... It was taught as part of Oklahoma History as a freshman

Wow, something on topic. What year?

 

[MGHS]

What police department in any city, county or state is NOT paid for with tax payer money? 🤔

Most PD get Fed money in some form or another. But not sure what your point is? Yes Local/State money goes into PD funds....but shifting them to other area's is counter productive and has actually increased crime in those area's.

 

[MoSooner69]

Wow, something on topic. What year?

that would have been around 84. yes, I am old. But, I am under the impression it is still taught today.

 

[3Rfan]

Most PD get Fed money in some form or another. But not sure what your point is? Yes Local/State money goes into PD funds....but shifting them to other area's is counter productive and has actually increased crime in those area's.

YOU complained about our tax dollars being given to police departments not me.

 

[MGHS]

YOU complained about our tax dollars being given to police departments not me.

I complained about them creating a problem by not nipping the riots in the bud and then having to take Covid relief money to fix it. Yeah I hate Establishment politicians using the Riots and letting the fester to get what they want and then indebting the people they are suppose to represent with the bill.

 

[3Rfan]

I complained about them creating a problem by not nipping the riots in the bud and then having to take Covid relief money to fix it. Yeah I hate Establishment politicians using the Riots and letting the fester to get what they want and then indebting the people they are suppose to represent with the bill.

LOTS of tax dollars were used to clear the crowd for Trump's photo op with someone's bible in his hand.

 

[MGHS]

LOTS of tax dollars were used to clear the crowd for Trump's photo op with someone's bible in his hand.

Yes every president uses Tax payer's dollars for Photo Op's...Why Cherry pick on Trump on that account.

 

[3Rfan]

Yes every president uses Tax payer's dollars for Photo Op's...Why Cherry pick on Trump on that account.

Yes everything a President does is with tax payer money but most of time it's not done with tear gas. HE used it to forcibly remove a crowd that was already there from the street so he could have his photo op with a bible someone handed him. From all accounts it was an impromptu decision do that.

 

[MGHS]

Police did not clear protesters from Lafayette Park for Trump photo op, inspector general finds

An inspector general's report says police cleared Lafayette Park near the White House so contractors could install new fencing.

www.usatoday.com

I can post the NPR link as well if you want a even more leftist bent on it.

But clearly Trump didn't marshal the Gestapo to clear the park in a violent manner. And clearly the protestors could of complied with the request to leave. If you don't then getting drummed out by force is the result. Did they have a Protest Permit? Nope, where they asked to leave....Yes. Did they comply...Nope and then they clashed with the Authorities. Play stupid games win Stupid prizes.

With that said I do agree that Trump was just putting on a Show and is by no means a ultra religious man or follows the Good Book.

But it was pure Bunk and Propaganda that Trump ordered the clearly of the Park by excessive force. But hey the MSM loved that narrative and they love to lie and bend the truth to meet their agenda.

But I fully support your right to continue to believe lies and BS propaganda about the Photo Op.

 

[3Rfan]

Police did not clear protesters from Lafayette Park for Trump photo op, inspector general finds

An inspector general's report says police cleared Lafayette Park near the White House so contractors could install new fencing.

www.usatoday.com

I can post the NPR link as well if you want a even more leftist bent on it.

But clearly Trump didn't marshal the Gestapo to clear the park in a violent manner. And clearly the protestors could of complied with the request to leave. If you don't then getting drummed out by force is the result. Did they have a Protest Permit? Nope, where they asked to leave....Yes. Did they comply...Nope and then they clashed with the Authorities. Play stupid games win Stupid prizes.

With that said I do agree that Trump was just putting on a Show and is by no means a ultra religious man or follows the Good Book.

But it was pure Bunk and Propaganda that Trump ordered the clearly of the Park by excessive force. But hey the MSM loved that narrative and they love to lie and bend the truth to meet their agenda.

But I fully support your right to continue to believe lies and BS propaganda about the Photo Op.

I guess that tear gas just fell out of the sky.

 

[MGHS]

I guess that tear gas just fell out of the sky.

Pretty clear Trump had nothing to do with the tear gas or clearing the Park for the Fencing that needed to be put up. The crowd got what they richly deserved after being ordered to disperse they failed to do so, and the Authorities had to use those tactics. Not complicated it was a purely logical and Legal decision that had Zero to do with Trump.

 

[3Rfan]

Pretty clear Trump had nothing to do with the tear gas or clearing the Park for the Fencing that needed to be put up. The crowd got what they richly deserved after being ordered to disperse they failed to do so, and the Authorities had to use those tactics. Not complicated it was a purely logical and Legal decision that had Zero to do with Trump.

Thats BS and you know it!

 

[MGHS]

No clearly what you are wanting to be the truth is BS. Data, documents and testimony all back up that this Clearly was well planned before Trump and his administration decided on the impromptu photo-op.

I mean come on even the MSM which is clearly shills for the Democratic party even reported on those Facts. Doubt that NPR/USAtoday etc. would verify the truth of the situation that Trump wasn't involved, unless the Data was so overwhelming.

It amazes me that you have such a Strong Confirmation bias that you ignore the very proof given you to maintain your false narrative.

You have every right to believe what ever bent view point you weave. But your beliefs doesn't over ride the Facts and Truth. Sadly I know you don't know that.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

No clearly what you are wanting to be the truth is BS. Data, documents and testimony all back up that this Clearly was well planned before Trump and his administration decided on the impromptu photo-op.

I mean come on even the MSM which is clearly shills for the Democratic party even reported on those Facts. Doubt that NPR/USAtoday etc. would verify the truth of the situation that Trump wasn't involved, unless the Data was so overwhelming.

It amazes me that you have such a Strong Confirmation bias that you ignore the very proof given you to maintain your false narrative.

You have every right to believe what ever bent view point you weave. But your beliefs doesn't over ride the Facts and Truth. Sadly I know you don't know that.

Now if Repubs would only apply the same logic to election results, AKA "The Big Lie".

 

[MGHS]

I have never stated that Biden didn’t win or Trump was cheated. I don’t believe Trumps excuse for losing

Clearly some Rep believe this and others do not.
Do you really think if most of of the 70+ million Trump voters truly believed that a Cabal had stole the election that they would be idle?

 

[revno]

Being idle as opposed to what?

 

[MGHS]

Who can say, but if proof emerged that the election was clearly a fraud and stolen. I'd say the unrest would be pretty intense if Biden didn't step down.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

"The Big Lie" was planned before the election by Trumpy.. Don the Con said it himself - "There are only 2 options, either I win the election or it was stolen". The cult lapped it up like a bowl of ice cream.

I find it funny that repubs were adamant that Russia never interfered in 2016 and then adamant that cheating occurred in 2020.