There was no fraud .
Even your completely trash 'fraudit' found less than 200 cases out of 3 million.
Give it up whackjobs.
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Even your completely trash 'fraudit' found less than 200 cases out of 3 million.
Give it up whackjobs.
From what you just typed it sounds like some little part of you deep down inside still might question the results? No the election has been certified and people need to get over it and move on! Lets worry about the next election! Because no matter what any of the Pubs sham audits say Biden shouldn't step down.... That is not how our election process works!!
And let's talk Proof?? who needs proof....The conservatives Lord and savior Trump has spoken... and he said he didn't lose the election that is all any conservative needs to hear! That should be proof enough for all of us to bend over and let Trump break one off. It was stolen from him and them end of story!! Notice how many conservatives we have lost off this board? I am sure Miller and all the others are in some bunker praying every night for God to fix this huge injustice that the dems have bestowed on us and to punish all those who have wronged the Trump.
Really I was sort of like you I thought very little actually believed this crap...but as I have talked to more Pubs once you get them to open up a bit Yeah they really do actually believe that this election was stolen. Many that I have spoken to puke the same crap that Trump does. They went to bed with Trump winning and when they woke up the election had been stolen in the middle of the night by the boggyman and the Dems.
Kid what is funny is that for four years the Dems pushed that an election could be interfered with they are the ones that planted this seed all in the name of helping another massive ego manic selfsooth after her lost to the Donald.
I said it back then that it was a mistake to go down that path, and Donald took what the Dems started and went to the next level with it. The Dems should have taken the loss and moved on! The Russians never changed one vote and there will always be a country that will "interfer" in our elections. I am sure they interefered in the last one but because the outcome was what the Dems wanted nothing is being said.
Both sides only B*&^$ about the election when the other side wins if it helps them they don't care...after all it is about winning.
Oh I agree bullit BUT we have an obligation to investigate any voter fraud, and I especially want to know if foreign govs are involved. The June '16 Trump Towers meeting with Trump's boys and Manafort and Russian operatives absolutely took place. We had intelligence and we had to investigate. We cannot just dismiss espionage. Investigate and show me proof. Neither Dems in 2016 nor Reps in 2020 have found proof.
Misinformation can swing votes!! But I've always suspected there were election shenanigans going on somewhere in every national election.
The political war between parties didn't start in 2016, but it's gotten worse. 2000 election set the table for scrutiny of the voting process.
I fully support photo ID and US citizenship for voting. Dems are wrong on voting.
Misinformation can swing votes!! But I've always suspected there were election shenanigans going on somewhere in every national election.
The political war between parties didn't start in 2016, but it's gotten worse. 2000 election set the table for scrutiny of the voting process.
I fully support photo ID and US citizenship for voting. Dems are wrong on voting.
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We have NO way to know if any votes were changed by the stuff the Russians put out on socials media. They were not changed at by any voting issues but could have changed minds. Many folks lapped up what was being thrown out there, and remember how conviently placed a lot of it was. You just can't brush off Manafort giving the Russians internal polling data, that gave them a road map as to where they should concentrate their efforts on social media. What other reason would there be for him doing that?
What the heck....I clearly stated I didn't believe there was fraud. So what is your off kilter post about. The question posed to me was about what would conservatives do in a clearly HYPOTHETICALLY situation if real proof emerged.
I don't believe real proof even exist. But keep on with the weird smear. I do pity your mental state.
Nope I am fully confident that Biden won. I truly believe he won fair and square. Again I was asked about a hypothetical situation......if Real Proof emerged and it was a stone cold Lock what would Conservatives do?
I'd say a lot of conservatives have left this board because the discussion often is less than cordial....I mean look at Veer's response just ranker and anger. Even you to a degree can't hide your emotion about Trump and often fall into some emotional rant about Trump and his followers.
Look I think Biden is half brain dead, and clearly is President in name only a puppet figure head at best. But I don't rant about his supporters voting for him in some emotional diatribe. I could really point out if you elect a Mental incompetent to the highest office in the land well....
But back to the Original point I clearly believe Biden won. I'm not looking for proof or even believe it's out there to be found. I haven't followed any of the on going searches either. Waste of time.
Why is it that Biden supporters are so vested in some weird smear campaign against anyone who doesn't fall in line with their way of thinking or voting?
I doubt the Russians had any real effect on any election...People vote how they want to vote. Our MSM propaganda has a lot more effect that Russian Bots.....and their so called Propaganda.
And Yes it's always about winning.
Misinformation is a code word for difference of opinion and the interpretation of data.
Like me and you could look at the Mueller report....you see a crime and proof. I see nothing and NO proof. Then you say my opinion is spreading Misinformation. And try to get my interpretation silenced or devalued as a out right lie.
Disinformation is out right Lies and can be sourced by multiple parties and verified as a lie.
Any time you read or hear a Propagandist use the Term Misinformation you can bet that is Nothing More than a Opinion that can't be proven, sourced or verified by any means.
If they use the term Disinformation then you can bet the have multiple sources that have been vetted to a high degree.
I hope that clarifies how the Media on either side can really gin up emotions with Opinions and lies posing as real facts.
I agree with you 100% voting should only be done by Citizens and With ID's that are valid and can be vetted.
I really think that any Propaganda spread on both sides is usually just confirmation bias in the voting spectrum. And really sense the First News papers started spewing Propaganda they have tried to sway votes and elections. I mean Papers use to all be 100% party affiliated. Did you ever wonder why at one time so Many papers had Democrat or Republican in their names?
It was only in the late 20's and early 30's that any true form of unbiased journalism was even a thought. But in truth that didn't last long if it ever was a thing. The big hoodwink is that some people really believe that either side of the Press is even a bit honest.
Holy Crap!! I agree!!
The problem is many people can't differentiate between misinformation and disinformation. Trump towed the line between the two. For instance;
Take Trump's campaign pledge that "Mexico would pay for the wall". What did he mean exactly? Did he mean Mexico was going to write us a check? Hell no. Did he mean that in a roundabout way, we would benefit financially from the wall? He was deliberately being ambiguous. Trump never explained exactly what that statement meant. Was it a fact or an opinion?
Trump tows that line purposely. Exactly what he did on Jan 6.
Too many people just hear what they want to hear.I honestly think many people watch CNN and Fox, and can't see thru both's political bias. I can't stand watching either one because I can see the bias. I read the STL Post a couple times a week (sports page first) and can obviously see the liberal bias of the editorial pages.
You have to be educated enough to see through what is fact and what is a slanted view.
The problem is many people can't differentiate between misinformation and disinformation. Trump towed the line between the two. For instance;
Take Trump's campaign pledge that "Mexico would pay for the wall". What did he mean exactly? Did he mean Mexico was going to write us a check? Hell no. Did he mean that in a roundabout way, we would benefit financially from the wall? He was deliberately being ambiguous. Trump never explained exactly what that statement meant. Was it a fact or an opinion?
Trump tows that line purposely. Exactly what he did on Jan 6.
Too many people just hear what they want to hear.I honestly think many people watch CNN and Fox, and can't see thru both's political bias. I can't stand watching either one because I can see the bias. I read the STL Post a couple times a week (sports page first) and can obviously see the liberal bias of the editorial pages.
You have to be educated enough to see through what is fact and what is a slanted view.
You can doubt it all you want but what is on social media has more affect on millions of people that it ever should. They know how to make it all look so real and the bots put it out there so many times so fast and make it seem like it's a LOT of different people posting it.
Do you think the folks that voted for Trump watch the so called MSM?
I think a lot of people who voted for Trump watched Fox.....they are MSM and all that entails. Propaganda from the right. Do I think people read and then use social media as confirmation of their biased beliefs...Yep. Do I think that Social Media sways and changes votes....maybe a bit but not enough to sway a election one way or another.
Independent voters tend to watch the MSM and clearly that was shown in this last election. CNN/NYtimes/Wash.Post and all the others spread buckets of Misinformation and Big tech. throttled opposing opinions to counter those opinions. It was a well played political gambit.
It was a 4 year campaign on making Trump out as a Villain aka Orange man Bad. They even freely admitted it after the election..Time mag. spells it out. So the MSM ginned up Trump fear and hatred and he provided plenty of fodder with his Twitter attacks. The net result people who had never voted got out and voted in waves for fear of Trump. It wasn't a Social Media campaign that did that it was the constant click bait headlines that muckraked......Sure people read those headlines off a SM platform but that stuff was born from CNN/Yahoo/NYtimes etc. the MSM.
According to the right and MG, all news sources except Fox are left wing MSM fake news. Only Fox speaks the truth.
My biggest question is if that meeting took place and if it was such a huge issue...Why now that Biden and a new DOJ are in charge... why are they/we not looking more into right now if this was such a concern? Just things that make me go hmmm, maybe it wasn't that big of deal...??
Yes I agree misinformation can swing votes...but like you said that will always go on.
There has always been battles but When the Pubs decided to never ever work with Obama after the Dems really shoved the Affordable health care thru it really ramped up!
I to think if you are too lazy to register to vote then you probable are to lazy to be invested in the election process and don't care.
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No I don't do a good job of hiding my emotions on Trump and I don't care....But you know what the real kicker is.... I voted for the man, but really when I looked at the two candidates I just felt he sort of fit better what I believed. I was worried he would take the loss hard but I thought the Pubs in power would make him tow the line after a loss and they would force him back in line...But that didn't happen and it has now blown up and he has all the power.. Now to be a Pub you either support his lie that the election was stolen, and if you don't you pretty much are branded as a liberal who Supports Biden and liberal Dem policies...He is the dictator of the party so yeah I rail against that, I don’t like that.
And I agree about the smear campaign but I disagree that it is just the Biden supporters I believe both the right and left are engaged in this and both have extreme groups.
Today you need to have an enemy to win a campaign, and today that enemy is the other party and your friends and neighbors who might believe differently than you..... That is what being a Dem or Pub is all about today bashing others and thier beliefs. It is outright bull……#$%#
It goes back farther than that !!! Try back to Clinton !! Many of the Washington Dems are still around and have never forgotten how the Reps went after Clinton and Dems for 8 yrs. And Obama !!
Payback's a B**CH !!
Yeah but even while all that was going on Clinton/Dems and the Pubs were able to still pass legislation, balance the budget and got us on the path to reducing the deficit... What they did back then would ba a pipe dream now.
And again that goes back to you are my sworn enemy and I cannot be seen comprimising with you to pass and legislation that might help both sides.
Trump's management style is very much like "la cosa nostra". Family. Loyalty beyond question. The DOJ or house investigation couldn't crack the inner circle, let alone directly implicate The Teflon Don himself. Some were willing to go to prison to protect the Godfather..
You can't have it both ways. You say Fox is MSM then say independent voters tend to watch MSM that was clearly shown in the last this past election. I know of NO one but you that would call Fox MSM. What people see on news outlets is NOT the same as what they read and believe when they think it's being said by normal people. That is what the Russians did to try to influence the election in '16. In the 3 states that put Trump over the top he won by about 7000 votes total. Biden won Georgia by about 10,000 votes and the pubs were all about that being a state he really won. A LOT of people in this country already knew about Trump and had an opinion as to how crooked he has always been.
Clearly Fox is the conservative version of the MSM because they are really the only outlet for Conservative consumption of news.....they pump out a slanted version from the conservative side......Now the Leftist side clearly tries to distance themselves from Fox and to smear them with abandon, labeling them with what ever inflammatory Label they can but they fit the mold of MSM...Yes they are not the Traditional NBC/CBS/ABC of old, but neither is MSNBC or CNN. But clearly Millions tune into those as well. Making them MSM as With Fox just on the opposite side of the coin.
Now the rub is independent voters tend to draw their news from the Leftwing outlets...as opposed to the one conservative outlet fox. Fox get's such high ratings because it's the only Conservative News Channel in the game. They have a built in stagnant audience or demographic.
I seriously doubt many independent voters tune into fox or clickbait any of their stuff.
Now the rub is independent voters tend to draw their news from the Leftwing outlets...as opposed to the one conservative outlet fox. Fox get's such high ratings because it's the only Conservative News Channel in the game. They have a built in stagnant audience or demographic.
I seriously doubt many independent voters tune into fox or clickbait any of their stuff.
A lot of Rep. didn't try to make him tow the line.....the old school Rep. hardliners wanted him gone because they are in bed with China and the mega corps. They wanted him to implode. They disliked his control and power, even if a lot of his policies where spot on.
You can click at least 3 channels in a row on my TV and get nothing but the so-called conservative slant morning, noon and night. Some are disguised as financial information shows.
