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Trinity Lineman

It blows my mind that this thread has went on as long as it has lol.

Wish I could've seen the game. With there only being an 8 point spread, sounds like the closest and most exciting of all the championship games.
 
I didn't grab a program...how much will Trinity return next year? I know the QB was a sophomore but was unsure about the rest. I thought the majority of the big lineman were seniors but I could be wrong. IMO the 5 INTS are misleading...that QB is a stud. Would not be surprised to see him go to a big D1. By far the best passer I have seen Lamar play, even as a sophomore.
 
Didn't Trinity outscore Lamar 18-0 in the 3rd quarter to take the lead into the 4th?

I wasn't there, but going off of what I heard.

At that time Lamar only had 10. Trinity scored 12 unanswered to take the lead. Then Lamar put the rest of their points on. Trinity scored their final TD with just a minute or two left.
 
At that time Lamar only had 10. Trinity scored 12 unanswered to take the lead. Then Lamar put the rest of their points on. Trinity scored their final TD with just a minute or two left.
That doesn't sound right; will know for sure when the replay gets posted for free tomorrow on MSHSAA.tv (can't wait to rewatch!)
 
Nope its correct. 10 in the first half for lamar. 12 in 8 minutes in the 3rd from trinity. 2 tds and 2pts in the 4th from lamar. Trinity scored with 1.27 left but failed the onside
 
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Nope its correct. 10 in the first half for lamar. 12 in 8 minutes in the 3rd from trinity. 2 tds and 2pts in the 4th from lamar. Trinity scored with 1.27 left but failed the onside
We're the two 3rd quarter TD's for Trinity on the big hitters? (And was the last TD the shorter of the three?)

I remember Lamar lead 10-0 at the half and trailed 10-12 at the start of the 4th quarter (of only for one play...)
 
Yes I believe that is correct. Trinity was only up for a short time as I'm almost positive Lamar scored on the next drive + a two pt to go up 18-12
 
Cool. Hopefully I'll get to see an online version of the game. I really wish I could have made this one. And the Monett game as well. I lived in Northwest Missouri for 4-5 years of my youth and spent a lot of time over at northwest with friends that were going to school there.
 
I was cheering for Lamar start to finish . Trinity threw 5 picks ....at least 3 inside the 20 and were in the game all the way. They made too many mistakes to beat a great team like Lamar. Bottom line was Trinity didn't have the depth to overcome the mistakes (not that Lamar played perfect either) Lamar won on depth and a great pass rush. Trinity had way too many guys going both ways. Lamar overall was the better team and played a better game . Trinity was young tho. They had 5 freshman starting . 3 on defense and 2 on offense . According to max preps they had 7 seniors and 6 Jr. The rest freshman and soph plus they had recruits like crazy....they will get more next year and they will be a real hand full
 
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lamar put the ball on the ground a lot, trinity had their chance if they could have gotten some of those loose balls, the one on the 3 yd line with the interception then called a fumble was iffy, but I saw and said right away it is a fumble, oh, i'm a old al black and tiger Ellison person, I ran some lonesome polecat in the day, it got the job done
 
lamar put the ball on the ground a lot, trinity had their chance if they could have gotten some of those loose balls, the one on the 3 yd line with the interception then called a fumble was iffy...
Oh ya! THAT'S what lead to Trinity's third TD...
 
For the guy that said I know nothing about football my father was a high school coach in
Hazelwood my first coaching job was at Chaffe high school when I was 22 we made it
to the state semi finals got beat by cass midway I was the Junior High coach and head
scout for the varsity. I ended my career as defensive head coach at Orchard Farm high
school for 23 years. In all my years I defended the veer, wishbone,the I, straight tee,
dead tee, double wing, pro set, spread, empty, shot gun. But I know nothing about
football. We won 70% of our games in the 90's and I had the topped ranked defense twice
in St. Louis area. I worked with a hall of fame coach Jim Cook. I also coached the offensive line for
those 23 years. I have forgot more football than you know. You wouldn't have a clue how to
stop a inside or outside veer, how to teach your linebackers to read and react, how to teach
defensive backs how to cover in zone or man or combo coverage. How to teach dee lineman how to rip move or use and under move. Or teach an offensive lineman how to read the offensive linemans knuckles to see how fast he will rush or how to reach block, cross block , trap block wide or short,
how to block a 5 step drop or a 7 step drop. I could go on for another hour any time you want to talk
football let me know I will see what you know. I can send you a list of about 500 kids I coached and
you can ask them If I knew football.
 
Just to see how much you know about football what is the defensive ends read on the outside
veer compared to the inside veer. Who has the pitch man on inside veer as compared to outside
veer. Against the I formation who do the Linebackers read if you are playing man as compared to
zone. If the defense is a 4 -3 set who takes off tackle hole. I could ask you probably 500 questions
about defense but lets just keep it simple. I will be waiting for your answer I am sure you will just
say how I am an idiot that's what people do when they can't answer a question. I will but my football resume against yours any day of the week.
 
Just to see how much you know about football what is the defensive ends read on the outside
veer compared to the inside veer. Who has the pitch man on inside veer as compared to outside
veer. Against the I formation who do the Linebackers read if you are playing man as compared to
zone. If the defense is a 4 -3 set who takes off tackle hole. I could ask you probably 500 questions
about defense but lets just keep it simple. I will be waiting for your answer I am sure you will just
say how I am an idiot that's what people do when they can't answer a question. I will but my football resume against yours any day of the week.
Impressive. However, I'm missing the part where this helped you to claim that Parkway North was better than any west side Class 4 team. Had you studied all of the knuckle positions of Harrisonville linemen at some point prior to the playoffs?
 
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I totally was wrong on that game Parkway North coach is a friend and I let that
cloud my thinking. I also learned a lot of football from Coach Bunton Parkway
North long time coach.
 
I totally realize St. Louis football in class 2 and 4 is light years behind the rest of the state.
Class 3 some years we held our own. Class 5 and 6 we have had some success. The strongest
programs in the state for the most part are strong towns that really support their football
don't have that much up here.
 
Nwalls i hope that you stick around and come back next year. You may not always be right but nobody is on this site. Trinity was for real. Parkway north was in the mix in a wide open class 4. Quit giving trolls the power and you will be much happier.
 
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I totally was wrong on that game Parkway North coach is a friend and I let that
cloud my thinking. I also learned a lot of football from Coach Bunton Parkway
North long time coach.
Now why St Louis schools generally can't play football worth a crap is getting crystal clear
 
Lets see CBC no good I guess East St. Louis just won class 8. Kirkwood not good I
guess. Lets see class 5 all St. Louis final got it St. Louis football no good. Why don't you
get Webb city to come up and play Kirk wood or CBC and we will see how bad St. Louis football
is . Sure class 4 you guys dominate but if you want to get down to just pure football bring your class
4 schools up here and play our class 6 teams. Wonder how many football games you have won as
a coach sure it is 0.
 
Lets see CBC no good I guess East St. Louis just won class 8. Kirkwood not good I
guess. Lets see class 5 all St. Louis final got it St. Louis football no good. Why don't you
get Webb city to come up and play Kirk wood or CBC and we will see how bad St. Louis football
is . Sure class 4 you guys dominate but if you want to get down to just pure football bring your class
4 schools up here and play our class 6 teams. Wonder how many football games you have won as
a coach sure it is 0.
No coach has ever wins game. Pretty sure it's the kids on the field that make it happen . I have yet to see coach Roderique make a tackle.
 
Just to see how much you know about football what is the defensive ends read on the outside
veer compared to the inside veer.


* Yawn. That depends. The standard reply would be the DE will take the play side RB on outside veer / head across the bow (as he reads TE down block. Hands on!), the LB rolls over and takes QB. On inside veer, DE will be responsible for QB. There are other ways to do it, but I think that's what you're looking for.


Against the I formation who do the Linebackers read if you are playing man as compared to zone

*ILB's or OLB's?

If the defense is a 4 -3 set who takes off tackle hole.

* Well, are your DE's playing a 9 tech to the TE side? 5 tech to open end... or are you referring to a 7 tech versus a TE with the DE's spiking into C gap? Be specific.

I will but my football resume against yours any day of the week.


* I'm sure you think you'd want to, but you never really know who you're chatting with on here, do you?..





Face it Raw you suck...
Actually I guess resurrecting a dead program and reviving a once proud program that had slipped isn't good enough. I don't think your multiple playoff appearances matter much either.
 
Shhhh...no hints. ;)
I've never claimed to be an expert, but I am enjoying being told how I wouldn't know about any of these things.
NWalls knows some football, that's obvious. The irritating thing is he's determined everyone on here needs his tutelage.
Funny thing is before your hiatus from this board I think people had an idea on who you were. You've now gone back into anonymity.
 
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Lamar and Trinity both have very good athletes. I think if you can say anything some of the Trinity players have more potential. In the Lamar kids, you see a good athletes/football players who live in a great system so they are further along in their development than most if not all of the Trinity players. That is why you see a difference in recruiting of the Lamar kids vs. the Trinity kids. Most colleges have a system that they feel like will develop these kids. It's not about where an athlete is at when in HS, it's all about where they can get him. They are recruiting the ceiling. I would say that most of Lamar's players are 90% there and Trinity might be 50% at best. In the Lamar kids, you are seeing a much more finished product. There is no doubt they have athletes and very good football players in a college system at the class 2 HS level. Very impressive what they have done, but don't underestimate the raw talent of some of the Trinity players. It's somewhat like comparing apples to oranges.
 
Why don't you get Webb city to come up and play Kirkwood or CBC and we will see how bad St. Louis football is . Sure class 4 you guys dominate but if you want to get down to just pure football bring your class 4 schools up here and play our class 6 teams. Wonder how many football games you have won as a coach sure it is 0.

Please tell me you realize how stupid/bad this sounds?

Bring your Class 4 schools to play our Class 6 schools and see what happens...brilliant stuff.
 
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Some hidden gems in SWMO (Dylan Cole, DGB) but for the most part KC and STL will always be the best recruiting areas. Columbia area has been good recruiting area as well but the kids won't stay home, they go out of state.
I don't think DGB was a "hidden gym." Rivals #1 player his senior year.
 
Since this thread was about Trinity's Linemen way back when...

OMG! Watch at 34:30 of the Class 2 MSHSAA.tv stream and see Lamar's left guard #50 pull out and pancake one those monster Trinity linemen :cool:
 
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Trinity is more athletic than Lamar because they're faster, they jump higher and stronger. Trinity players are getting scholarships to D1 schools not one kid on Lamar team I saw Friday will play D1 football. Lamar is well coached team, their kids all know their read/assignment and do their own job. Trinity made it to a state championship game not knowing/doing their assignment/read and just running by kids playing backyard football. Lamar kids have high football IQ and displined.
Stronger...now your just being silly. I would challenge anyone from Trinity to come lift with us. I wasn't going to get involved in this and won't argue the faster, jump higher, but stronger is laughable. The D1 line spent most of the game on their backs. Bring them back next year, they will be accustom to the view from there. Stronger...I'm still laughing.
 
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Lets see CBC no good I guess East St. Louis just won class 8. Kirkwood not good I
guess. Lets see class 5 all St. Louis final got it St. Louis football no good. Why don't you
get Webb city to come up and play Kirk wood or CBC and we will see how bad St. Louis football
is . Sure class 4 you guys dominate but if you want to get down to just pure football bring your class
4 schools up here and play our class 6 teams. Wonder how many football games you have won as
a coach sure it is 0.
Agree with another poster that no coach has ever won a game. It takes good leadership ... but ultimately, it's the players who win games. Pretty sad for your players if you never realized that. It's a team effort. But I am wondering ... what was your record as the high school head coach? All of the positions you listed sounded like staff or assistant coaching positions.
 
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Since this thread was about Trinity's Linemen way back when...

OMG! Watch at 34:30 of the Class 2 MSHSAA.tv stream and see Lamar's left guard #50 pull out and pancake one those monster Trinity linemen :cool:
Yes!!! Thank you very much! That's what happened on the play that 66 laid there moaning and acted like he hurt his knee. The crowd went crazy calling for a chop block. Pulling guard crushed him face to face on a trap play. No chop block, Just got the bajeebers knocked out of him!! He limped Rest of the game. If you watch the trophy ceremony he's walking up and down the sideline perfectly fine. No limp. Same with the 2 guys #7 ran over On the goalline on lamars last score. They were really hurt, until nobody was looking at them. Guess they were already thinking of excuses for why guys half their size was kicking their butts, or getting ran over and missing tackles on "lesser athletes"
 
Yes!!! Thank you very much! That's what happened on the play that 66 laid there moaning and acted like he hurt his knee. The crowd went crazy calling for a chop block. Pulling guard crushed him face to face on a trap play. No chop block, Just got the bajeebers knocked out of him!! He limped Rest of the game.
Wow, you're right! I had not watched that play close enough, but the play #66 got hurt, it was on a straight up pancake block to his chest by Lamar's #50.

I will say, though, that when #66 did return to the game, he was on fire, lighting up Lamar's center on several occassions (causing several bad snaps that I had previously and incorrectly attributed to Lamar just playing sloppier than usual...)

...rewatching the game opened my eyes to a lot of what Trinity was doing well.

Dat pancake block doe! :cool:

I remember seeing another one by #50 live out of the corner of my eye and it's one of the reasons I've been dying to rewatch the game (that and the completely inexcusable "interception"/fumble call that gave Trinity its last TD...)

...for anyone complaining that the refs should have forced Lamar to make one more 4th down snap at the end of regulation, I think that more than makes up for the blown "interception" call...
 
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Wow, you're right! I had not watched that play close enough, but the play #66 got hurt, it was on a straight up pancake block to his chest by Lamar's #50.

I will say, though, that when #66 did return to the game, he was on fire, lighting up Lamar's center on several occassions (causing several bad snaps that I had previously and incorrectly attributed to Lamar just playing sloppier than usual...)

...rewatching the game opened my eyes to a lot of what Trinity was doing well.

Dat pancake block doe! :cool:

I remember seeing another one by #50 live out of the corner of my eye and it's one of the reasons I've been dying to rewatch the game (that and the completely inexcusable "interception"/fumble call that gave Trinity its last TD...)

...for anyone complaining that the refs should have forced Lamar to make one more 4th down snap at the end of regulation, I think that more than makes up for the blown "interception" call...
At the game I was upset that the officials let him key on our center with his head seriously over the ball. Didn't get the call, and sometimes you don't, however watch the last quarter of the game and tell me it wasn't encroachment every Lamar snap. Luckily it was a tough kid, however he was hurting by the end of the game from the hits he was taking.
 
At the game I was upset that the officials let him key on our center with his head seriously over the ball. Didn't get the call, and sometimes you don't, however watch the last quarter of the game and tell me it wasn't encroachment every Lamar snap. Luckily it was a tough kid, however he was hurting by the end of the game from the hits he was taking.
As a former noseguard, #66 was doing exactly what he was supposed to do (I'll watch again, but I didn't see anything warranting a flag). I'm honestly surprised more teams at the high school level don't run odd fronts more than even fronts on defense to put more pressure on young centers the majority of whose snaps are now shotgun snaps... but I digress...

As cheesey as I think it might be, #66 acting like he was dying after that play during the first drive of the 3rd quarter clearly motivated Trinity and #66; Trinity's defense went on to force a turnover just a few plays later and then scored on their next two drives, out scoring Lamar two TDs to none in the 3rd to take their only lead of the game. And then when #66 came back in the 4th, he was lighting it up! (again, will rewatch, but didn't see anything out him warranting a flag...)

...again, cheesey (ala Paul Pierce leaving the floor of a Celtics playoff game in a wheelchair crying, only to return in the 4th quarter), but effective for Trinity (at least for one quarter...)

This is why as a fan, I want to see this rematch next year (there would be SO much emotion in that game...)
 
As a former noseguard, #66 was doing exactly what he was supposed to do (I'll watch again, but I didn't see anything warranting a flag). I'm honestly surprised more teams at the high school level don't run odd fronts more than even fronts on defense to put more pressure on young centers the majority of whose snaps are now shotgun snaps... but I digress...

As cheesey as I think it might be, #66 acting like he was dying after that play during the first drive of the 3rd quarter clearly motivated Trinity and #66; Trinity's defense went on to force a turnover just a few plays later and then scored on their next two drives, out scoring Lamar two TDs to none in the 3rd to take their only lead of the game. And then when #66 came back in the 4th, he was lighting it up! (again, will rewatch, but didn't see anything out him warranting a flag...)

...again, cheesey (ala Paul Pierce leaving the floor of a Celtics playoff game in a wheelchair crying, only to return in the 4th quarter), but effective for Trinity (at least for one quarter...)

This is why as a fan, I want to see this rematch next year (there would be SO much emotion in that game...)
I agree to disagree. There were ample times his helmet as nearly touching our centers helmet and broke the plain of the ball. That my friend is not legal and is usually watched closer than it was in this game as the center has a disadvantage in getting off the snap. In relation to Trinity coming back, I truly hope they do, however based on what you can expect from the St. Louis area, I doubt you can put much assuredness in their returning as many will have opportunities with larger and more prestigious schools. Whatever the outcome I trust Lamar will return another team and make a push, and whoever stands in the way in post season will be dealt with one game at a time.
 
Trinity will not be back. Some of their players will transfer like always and I wouldn't be
surprised if the coach is not back. Trinity has a coaching change quite often. Lamar will be
back with out doubt. No body from St. Louis will be very good in class 2.Lutheran North
lost a ton, Brent wood only has 20 kids play and they lost 5 good players. Herman will be okay
on their level. Rest of class 2 teams in this area are always weak.
 
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