To be clear, this is the comment/accusation I took exception to:
Trinity Lineman
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Retype your argument that more of the Trinity kids can probably Dunk a basketball LOL it was great before you deleted it
Yeah I don't know why it got deleted but anyways not one kid on Lamar football team can dunk a basketball and more than half of Trinity football team can.Retype your argument that more of the Trinity kids can probably Dunk a basketball LOL it was great before you deleted it
I don't care what you took exception to to be honest.
I take exception to you and most of the posters on here discounting Lamar as just "hard working, tough, disciplined, try hard" kids. They're athletes and damn good ones.
You know what happens after we both take exception to things? Nothing.
Tell me this, is my complaint baseless? Don't bother, we both know it isn't.
Lamar and their ATHLETES were better than Trinity and their ATHLETES.
Lamar was throwing those guys around. Trinity had no technique Lamar has good technique once again that falls under good coaching.
Why do you care so much about? I'd rather take a bunch of hard working kids that are coachable and do anything you say and buy into the program than super athletic kids who do their own thing on the field.
Because it's an insult to the kids.
I'm tempted to go quote every poster who was quick to bring up the "athleticism" of Trinity. It would be a damn novel.
Meanwhile, not once were the kids from Lamar referred to as "athletes" or "athletic".
I don't care that much, but Mits wants to make an issue of it.
Just out of curiosity how many games have you watched Lamar play? football and basketball, total number? I'm guessing one.
Woody Harrelson proved a long time ago "that white man can jump"! credit to Wesley snipes for the alleyoop!
What is your complaint, exactly? I keep asking and you keep pretending that your complaint was about discounting Lamar's athletes, but here again is what you said:
We all know what your implying with that last part, you just won't admit it (I don't know why you won't; you had the chops to post it to begin with...)
Sorry but your wrong I have seen Trey Mooney our 6' 5" DB dunk a basketball.
I'm not implying anything. It's a question. One you refuse to answer. Answer the question or move on.
The answer is NO; The term "athlete"
is not a designation for only one group of people. Why do you ask?
you guys need to quit birkering and go get drunk and/or laid.
Because it only appeared to be applicable to Trinity according to virtually every poster on here...why is that?
Great offensive linemen many times are not good athletes they are dedicated to getting
stronger and are very strong in technique . But you but them on a basketball floor, have them
play baseball not very good. I coached offensive lineman for 23 years some of my best
linemen where not good athletes but their dedication to line play and the weight room is
what made them good. I have seen many great team that doesn't have great athletes they
are strong very fundamentally strong and don't make mistakes. We beat berkely twice
in all my years and they had tremendous athletes we where stronger and beat them at the line
of scrimmage. We won districts beating Cardinal Ritter they had much better athletes but
couldn't control the line of scrimmage so our power was to much. I don't know who had the better
athletes Trinity or Lamar but as in championship football the team that is the strongest and can
controll the line of scrimmage ususally wins. L know after watching Trinity a few times their lineman are not athletes, they will not be on the basketball team. Lamars lineman where very
strong and better coached have no idea if they are athletes that can play skilled sports. True athletic
skill in football doesn't have to be in linemen. I had a kid play at Western ILL he made all american
as a center. He couldn't catch a football, shoot a basketball hit a baseball or do anything athletic
but he could block on a football field like you couldn't believe and he could bench press 350 pounds.
stronger and are very strong in technique . But you but them on a basketball floor, have them
play baseball not very good. I coached offensive lineman for 23 years some of my best
linemen where not good athletes but their dedication to line play and the weight room is
what made them good. I have seen many great team that doesn't have great athletes they
are strong very fundamentally strong and don't make mistakes. We beat berkely twice
in all my years and they had tremendous athletes we where stronger and beat them at the line
of scrimmage. We won districts beating Cardinal Ritter they had much better athletes but
couldn't control the line of scrimmage so our power was to much. I don't know who had the better
athletes Trinity or Lamar but as in championship football the team that is the strongest and can
controll the line of scrimmage ususally wins. L know after watching Trinity a few times their lineman are not athletes, they will not be on the basketball team. Lamars lineman where very
strong and better coached have no idea if they are athletes that can play skilled sports. True athletic
skill in football doesn't have to be in linemen. I had a kid play at Western ILL he made all american
as a center. He couldn't catch a football, shoot a basketball hit a baseball or do anything athletic
but he could block on a football field like you couldn't believe and he could bench press 350 pounds.
Lamars d-end/running back benches over 400. Squats way over 5. And is very athletic. A lot of lamars lineman are athletic, watch how good they move when pulling. That's why my argument is that as a whole, Lamar as a team is more athletic. And my reason for saying trinity's linemen were weak. Technique is important, but you don't put that much opposing beef on the ground consistently without being stronger. The guy saying trinity has stronger kids is clueless to how much Lamar boys lift. I know the power back Lamar had last year benched 350 and squat over 5 as well. It's not just a strong kid every once in awhile. They are all that way. I'm not saying linemen need to be athletes. I'm saying lamars are more athletic than trinity's. Nobody wants to take that into account when arguing which team is more athletic. Having 3 or 4 top athletes on a team doesn't make an athletic team overall.
I would take athletic stronger lineman over big fat tubs who can barely pick their own lard butts up off the ground any day.
You know you were race baiting. Based on your many post you understand sports and many of the terms. Athlete is generally used in reference to someone who can walk on to the field or court with little or no practice and a be a difference in the game somehow, see Trinitys team. You know that. Then there are kids who work hard in the weight room, run their buts off all summer, go to camps, and listen to the coaches to become better players, see Lamar. You already new that. Yes several Lamar players have a lot of athletic ability but most are not pure athletes like most of the Trinity players. You were either race baiting or you don't know sports as well as you claim.
I have watched most of this Lamar team play sense they were in the 3rd grade.
No, they are racists who think only black kids are athletic. Gubbbbbbba needs to straighten them out.
Please point out where I've said anyone was racist. I'll wait.
Just find it funny/irritating that some labels only get slapped on some people regardless of accuracy.
Lamar is damn athletic, but you'd never know it if you just read the beginning of the thread.
But whatever, I'm the bad guy for pointing out an OBVIOUS stereotype that everyone was using.
Lamar wins 6 in a row...it'd be scary what they could do if they had any athletes.
So when ESPN labels a recruit an "athlete" rather than giving them a position on their top 300 they are being racist?
Smh...that refers to someone who plays one position in high school, usually quarterback, who won't be playing that position in college. Not even close to what we're talking about.
Based on your argument that means none of the other players on the ESPN's list are athletes. No one is claiming Lamars players are not athletic. If you get over your race claim you will realize what everyone is trying to say. Without the weight room and everything else Lamar would not have been able to play with those guys Friday.
Guys their kids.. They all gave their best im sure. By the eye test and this isnt nothing against the other players but the best player on that Friday was #7 Cooper Lucas. He might not be going to a big 10 school but the kid has a big heart and id want 11 just like him on any team i cheered for.
Define an athletic to me it is someone who can do a very skilled activity like be a very
good basketball player, hit a baseball that takes tremendous eye hand ability, dribble
a basketball with amazing control, handle a soccer ball with tremendous control. Catch a football
with your hands on the dead run. If i had a lineman that could play a skilled sport other than
football I thought they where athletes but most where strong had good foot work , could pull
and block but most couldn't play other sports because they had very little athletic ability.
Athletes in football for the most part are guys that can change directions on a dime, have tremendous speed with great hands. I had many defensive linemen who could tackle
in open field who had very little athletic ability. Lamar is strong and are very tough kids that
is what makes a football team great. Their skilled players look like good athletes who I bet excel
at other sports. I doubt if the starting point guard is a lineman, or the short stop is a lineman.
Probably a shot putter or discus thrower. I have no idea who had the better athletes I just
know who had the stronger kids and the best system. You can beat average team with only
having athletes but you will never beat a good team without strong kids rather those strong kids
or good athletes or not it is what they can do in the trenches that matter. Learning to be a tremendous linemen doesn't take great athletic ability is takes guts and hard work. Playing Dee back takes athletic ability . Best Linebacker we ever had couldn't catch a baseball or shoot a basketball or
handle a soccer ball but he would light your world up when you ran the ball in the middle.
good basketball player, hit a baseball that takes tremendous eye hand ability, dribble
a basketball with amazing control, handle a soccer ball with tremendous control. Catch a football
with your hands on the dead run. If i had a lineman that could play a skilled sport other than
football I thought they where athletes but most where strong had good foot work , could pull
and block but most couldn't play other sports because they had very little athletic ability.
Athletes in football for the most part are guys that can change directions on a dime, have tremendous speed with great hands. I had many defensive linemen who could tackle
in open field who had very little athletic ability. Lamar is strong and are very tough kids that
is what makes a football team great. Their skilled players look like good athletes who I bet excel
at other sports. I doubt if the starting point guard is a lineman, or the short stop is a lineman.
Probably a shot putter or discus thrower. I have no idea who had the better athletes I just
know who had the stronger kids and the best system. You can beat average team with only
having athletes but you will never beat a good team without strong kids rather those strong kids
or good athletes or not it is what they can do in the trenches that matter. Learning to be a tremendous linemen doesn't take great athletic ability is takes guts and hard work. Playing Dee back takes athletic ability . Best Linebacker we ever had couldn't catch a baseball or shoot a basketball or
handle a soccer ball but he would light your world up when you ran the ball in the middle.
I think what a lot of people are discrediting here is that Trinity could have won that game. They didn't, and that's all that matters, but their athletes put them in a position to win, they just made too many mistakes and Lamar didn't.
I don't like that many here are claiming Trinity had no scheme. They certainly did, and it was one that fit their personnel. Just because you play in a spread system doesn't mean you don't have scheme.
I don't like that many here are claiming Trinity had no scheme. They certainly did, and it was one that fit their personnel. Just because you play in a spread system doesn't mean you don't have scheme.
