Hard to believe, but their domintion score of 64.61, would not make the top ten. Nine 30+ wins and two shots outs. point differential of 33.6
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Hard to believe, but their domintion score of 64.61, would not make the top ten. Nine 30+ wins and two shots outs. point differential of 33.6
Correct. Their numbers for that year however are right up there with the rest. Regardless, great post/info.
That's stupid. They did have the most dominating team, but I only have records back to 2003. I don't have to drive anything home. The results are what they are. If I did Just class 4...8 of them or more would be Webb. Do I have to drive that home?
Great team..but they had several close games, including the state championship game, they won by 6 points over Thayer. Impressive in six 30+ wins and SEVEN shutouts. Their score is 64.06, but the close state championship disqualifies them. Still not in the top ten.
I would like to understand your scoring system better. How many points does one get for a 30+ point win and/or a shutout? How many points are lost for a win under 10 points? The average point differential is the easiest portion of your scoring guide to check, but how do you get your other points to make the rest of the score? Is it, say, 2 points for each 30+ point win and 3 points for a shutout or what? Maybe I am missing something that is plan sight, but I am just curious.
Point differential. +3 for 30+ win. +2 for shut out. -1 for win < 10. Must be undefeated and win state champ game by 20. (That lowered the size to 30 teams.)
Thanks. That game against us was one for the ages. 31-28 going into the 4th. Hard hits all over and plenty of scoring. HUGE crowd for a Class 2 game. Going back to back in Class 1 and then 2 undefeated was special for them.
In 2013 if you removed the cj game lamars score would be 105.64
2014 score without cj is 95.86
2014 score without cj is 95.86
Thanks, that provides a clearer picture.
Now, I know this team doesn't mean your criteria, but I applied this to the 2013 Lamar team. I put into place -10 points for a loss. That team would score 96.60 on your scale (if I calculated right), with my added scale of -10 points for a loss; if you included just state champions that won by 20+, no matter record.
I just wanted to add in a little twist to look at teams during the time period that won a Championship. Like I said, I know it doesn't meet your full criteria, but it is always fun to throw wrinkles and what-ifs into things.
Any of you SW Missouri guys have the scores for the 1980 Joplin Parkwood team?
From the linked article they went 14-0.
They outscored opponents, 653-33.
They only gave up 6 points in the regular season. (it was a 96 yard run with 6 seconds left in the week 4 game against Glendale).
They averaged 365 yards per game.
They gave up 112 yards per game.
They defeated Hazelwood Central 20-13 in the State Championship Game.
That means other than the State Championship game they gave up 20 points total in the other 13 games. 6 of those came in week 4, so in the other other 12 games they gave up 14 points total.
They would have to rank high.
Edit: I looked it up on MSHSAA. Here are the playoff games from that year.
District: Parkwood 48 Neosho 0
Quarterfinals: Parkwood 31 Hickman 0
Semifinals: Parkwood 35 Raytown South 14
Finals: Parkwood 20 Hazelwood Central 13
So for the year:
They gave up 6 to Glendale in week 4
They gave up 14 to Ray South in the Semi's
They gave up 13 to Hazelwood Central in the finals.
They had 11 shutouts.
http://www.joplinglobe.com/sports/d...cle_96f0f32d-a8d8-5efc-8923-b06bf89b03f6.html
From the linked article they went 14-0.
They outscored opponents, 653-33.
They only gave up 6 points in the regular season. (it was a 96 yard run with 6 seconds left in the week 4 game against Glendale).
They averaged 365 yards per game.
They gave up 112 yards per game.
They defeated Hazelwood Central 20-13 in the State Championship Game.
That means other than the State Championship game they gave up 20 points total in the other 13 games. 6 of those came in week 4, so in the other other 12 games they gave up 14 points total.
They would have to rank high.
Edit: I looked it up on MSHSAA. Here are the playoff games from that year.
District: Parkwood 48 Neosho 0
Quarterfinals: Parkwood 31 Hickman 0
Semifinals: Parkwood 35 Raytown South 14
Finals: Parkwood 20 Hazelwood Central 13
So for the year:
They gave up 6 to Glendale in week 4
They gave up 14 to Ray South in the Semi's
They gave up 13 to Hazelwood Central in the finals.
They had 11 shutouts.
http://www.joplinglobe.com/sports/d...cle_96f0f32d-a8d8-5efc-8923-b06bf89b03f6.html
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They wouldn't meet the 20 point Championship criteria, but that sounds like a dominating team.
Despite them not meeting the championship requirement, but to me that's a mute point. Also assuming that they had 11 shutouts and 13 30+ wins:
They score 105.28 (If I calculated right)
Kudos for JNreturns for starting this post.
I had to edit my post above.
They had 11 shutouts (not sure the score)
They gave up 6 to Glendale on what likely the last play of the game.
They gave up 14 to Ray South in the Semi's.
They gave up 13 to Hazelwood Central in the Finals.
I have heard many coaches and people through the years mention that team as the most dominant they ever saw or coached against.
Losing kind of negates "dominating." I would have included more state champs, but the pool would be too big. To dominate, you have to win big anyway. So I set the threshold at 20 points. That made my pool of teams about 28. I could do numbers on that many. I couldn't do it on 50.
Wow... Drop my threshold rule, and there are teams that would even be more dominant than Kearney 2003. This being one of them.
In most cases I would agree with the losing statement, but when you are a Class 2 team that had a ranked Class 4 team beat until a miraculous play beat you, plus you outscored all other opponents by over 700 points, plus the closest game in districts through state was 35-0, you are pretty dominant.
Should have known this post was going to go in this direction
1993 Webb Team (Does not meet Criteria #1 (winning championship by 20.) But they had a 38.85 differential. 9 Shutouts, and 11 30+ wins. With one close game they get a 88.86.
Ultimately, this formula 1) punishes teams for scheduling up and 2) playing another dominating team in the finals -- so it ends up close.
I don't remember any of the scores to particular games I just remember being a freshman and having to run a ridiculous amount while being in with the JV for giving up that last second touchdown to Glendale.
Here is the 2003 Kearney Results:
Ladue #3 (Class 4) 43-0
Grandview #4 (Class 4) 55-20 and 42-7
Webb City #5 (Class 4) 43-0
Ray Pec #6 (Class 5) 42-6
Hickman Mills 42-6
Excelsior Springs 53-0
O'hara 61-3
Ray South 53-13
Benton 64-6
Ruskin 51-0
Central 77-14
Center 50-0
Lafayette 59-14
I suppose you also get an increased score if your coach is a jerk that tries to run up the score.
Ladue #3 (Class 4) 43-0
Grandview #4 (Class 4) 55-20 and 42-7
Webb City #5 (Class 4) 43-0
Ray Pec #6 (Class 5) 42-6
Hickman Mills 42-6
Excelsior Springs 53-0
O'hara 61-3
Ray South 53-13
Benton 64-6
Ruskin 51-0
Central 77-14
Center 50-0
Lafayette 59-14
I suppose you also get an increased score if your coach is a jerk that tries to run up the score.
That always helps!! I think that 2013 Lamar scored over 70 points 4 times, including 84
I like this discussion that has been started, I bet if we keep going back there is a Jeff City team that had to be up there based on the formula. I never saw the 1980 Parkwood team play, but I've heard and read a lot about their dominance.
Seneca 56-22
Lawson 42-0
Liberty 35-0
Cassville 48-0
Aurora 60-18
Lutheran North 70-7
Ash Grove 72-0
Monett 47-0
Mt. Vernon 48-7
Warsaw 84-6
East Newton 63-0
McDonald Co. 75-0
Butler 74-7
El Dorado Springs 63-6
CARL JUNCTION LOSS 46-50 (That will teach them NOT to play up.) Safe to say if they just won this game, this would be the most dominating team ever.
Guess my only real concern about this "Measurement of Greatness" in the most dominant teams above is "Strength of Schedule".
Love the 2002-2003 Kearney team but...
Did they play a Class 6 power house team day in and day out those two years?
Answer... No
They did however play one Great Webb Team in 2002 at Webb City and won.
They lost only one game that year to Class 5 runner-up Ray-Pec in a nail bitter.
That team had NFL Chase Kaufman and several other great players as well.
Not putting any of the team's above down, just stating facts.
"Strength of Schedule" matters far more than points per game in my book.
Look back and see just who you beat to get that #1 spot.
Love the 2002-2003 Kearney team but...
Did they play a Class 6 power house team day in and day out those two years?
Answer... No
They did however play one Great Webb Team in 2002 at Webb City and won.
They lost only one game that year to Class 5 runner-up Ray-Pec in a nail bitter.
That team had NFL Chase Kaufman and several other great players as well.
Not putting any of the team's above down, just stating facts.
"Strength of Schedule" matters far more than points per game in my book.
Look back and see just who you beat to get that #1 spot.
*_**** FYI. Maryville is on course for 96 right now. 13 30+ and 6 shut outs. Their spread now is 45 per game.
They couldn't help but play up, that was a conference game. Lamar lost on a hook and ladder play as time expired. That team was fast, big, and athletic.
Seneca lost in the Class 3 Championship to Maryville by I think 25 or so that year too.
Just asking...
If Maryville's remaining games to win the State Champoinship needed to go through Rockhurst, Blue Springs, CBC, Kearney, CJ, Webb City, Blue Springs South and Blue Valley...
Would they still be spreading 45 pts per game?
Lamar is on pace to be at 98.83. Projects to be at 11 30+ and 11 shut outs. Real close to Maryville and Kearney
no, but they are also half, or less, the size of most of those schools. Maybe all of them.
Would trade you that miracle hitch and pitch victory for one of your state championships, whadda ya say?
Also, would take one appearance in the state championship game rather than ever appearing on this chat room list....anybody wanna trade?
2013 Lamar team was indeed DOMINANT - you don't need a formula to try and prove it.
I can give you the WC fan perspective. WC in 2002 was much stronger than in 2003 and needless to say that semifinal loss was one that hurt about as much as any. WC feels like they let that one get away. In 2003 WC was thoroughly dominated by Kearney. Arguably the most dominant win over a WC team since the great Parkwood team in 1980. If the argument is dominance then yes the Kearney team was that dominant. At the same time in 03 WC lost by 27 to Hickman lost a couple other games earlier in the year and beat Mac County and Nevada by 12 and 14. WC did very well turning things around and getting to the Semis that year. I'm honestly not certain that the 2009 Kearney wasn't actually better as they beat what was at that point what was a pretty dominant WC team and probably played a much stronger schedule that year.
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